Forums - Microsoft Discussion - [Soft-locked DO NOT POST] Is MS focusing too much on quantity over quality with their 1st party games?

goopy20 said:
KiigelHeart said:

Since when is Brutal Legend considered as one of the biggest flops in gaming history? It didn't sell that well but it ended up selling around 1,2 million copies. It reviewed well too and it's a good game. Great game even if you're into rock music. Also what does that lawsuit have to do with anything? Do you even know what it was about? You shouldn't write "let's get real" and then come up with posts like this. Not cool, gooby.

Since it was listed on Wikipedia's page of biggest commercial failures in video games, of all time. I also kind of enjoyed it but it's not exactly a test case on how to build a successful AAA game, and I highly doubt MS is willing to give them the resources to do so with their future games.

Yes it can be considered a commercial failure, but it still isn't considered one of the biggest flops. It's good not every game is made following a "how to build a succesful AAA game" formula though. It would mean less interesting and good games like Brutal Legend. Also Microsoft funded Quantum Break with a big budget despite Alan Wake's slow sales.

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Ryuu96 said:
We've gone from "I want quality" to "I want AAA" to "What about their sales when they were indie with small budgets/marketing?" Again, the title doesn't even match the OP, AAA doesn't = Quality but you have been shown that multiple Xbox Game Studios are currently working on AAA titles, along with shown that they've produced quality products in the past.

Please tell me you see through this guys “concern”. I mean people know the kind of fan I am, but I ain’t making threads doing subtle insults to the competition.

 

 

Ryuu96 said:
OP has moved so many goalposts, from asking for quality to asking for AAA to asking about their sales as indie studios, ignoring multiple users arguments including all of my own, along with his history of baiting Xbox fans it leads me to believe he's arguing in bad faith and concern trolling, I was warned prior to not bothering engaging but I thought I'd give it a shot, clearly I should have listened.

The OP and Title don't even match but if we pick at both of them, we've shown OP that XGS has multiple AAA's coming and that these studios have produced multiple quality products in the past, whether they deliver the goods or not in the future is another question, almost every studio has duds so anything can happen, regardless the question is asked far too early as well given the fact that these studios are mostly in the early stages of development so none of us can say for sure what Microsoft's focus is.

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Yea, I would not call that moving goal post as much as people trying to find technicalities to find a way to fit xbox games into the category. You know very well what the type of game he is talking about. And there would be no one descriptor that could be used that would not have been dissected to try to include games that obviously dont belong. While true those types of games he is describing could be coming to the xbox from those small studios, its hard to believe that they will be just as big as halo/ gears with studios half the size working on multiple games at a time in a span of 2 years.

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sales2099 said:
Ryuu96 said:
We've gone from "I want quality" to "I want AAA" to "What about their sales when they were indie with small budgets/marketing?" Again, the title doesn't even match the OP, AAA doesn't = Quality but you have been shown that multiple Xbox Game Studios are currently working on AAA titles, along with shown that they've produced quality products in the past.

Please tell me you see through this guys “concern”. I mean people know the kind of fan I am, but I ain’t making threads doing subtle insults to the competition.

Concern? I think you mean optimism.

Alright everyone. Consider Ryuu's post a soft-lock. The feature doesn't seem to be working right now so any post in here after the next 5 minutes as of my post will be considered spam and you will be moderated. Any post within that 5 minutes still has regular rules applied to it.



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goopy20 said:
sales2099 said:

The irony is that you clearly don’t like Xbox yet admit to subscribing to them and thus giving your time and money. Even if you think you are cheating them out by playing their games for dirt cheap and quitting that’s time you are still investing that otherwise people with your bias wouldn’t even touch Xbox traditionally before MSs recent initiatives. 

Xbox went from only repeating 3 IPs over and over with duds in between to having the same studios as Sony with several A-AAA games in the pipeline. That’s amazing progress. And you have the notion to complain they aren’t on Sony’s exact level? It’s been 2 years and it is astounding how far Xbox Studios has come. 

Ultimately you have convinced me this is a “putting Xbox in their place” thread. Very shallow and petty. Sorry but you can’t stop the hype these studios are creating. 

(And your topic title is still redundant because Ori scored a 90)

What makes you think I clearly don't like Xbox? Except for the Xone, I owned all of MS's consoles and did enjoy them. Besides a ps4, I also have a pc and a Switch, so I'm really not loyal to any particular console brand. However, I don't blindly agree or get excited about everything a platform holder does. I loved the 360 until they went all crazy on us with Kinect. As a consumer, I lost faith in the Xbox brand and it caused me to not buy the Xone. That doesn't mean I want Series X to fail, though. The specs are amazing and I would love MS to come out of the gate with loads of AAA ip's that'll give the ps5 games a run for their money. I will just end up buying both, just like I did with the 360 and ps3.

All gamers have their specific taste in games and somehow I doubt you would have cared at all about Ori if it was a Switch exclusive. I saw you were trying to grasp the concept of what a AAA game really is. And sure, budget, time spend developing and the size of the team usually are a part of it. But in the end a AAA game is simply a game that is a must play title and that people end up buying a specific console for. For example, I bought a Switch just to play BOTW and a Xbox/360 mainly for Halo. Now, lets say Ori, or any of the other games we're seeing from MS were exclusives on the ps5 or Switch instead, would you then consider buying any one of those consoles? Sony and Nintendo have those kind of games and MS used to have them with Gears and Halo. But now that they don't have the mass appeal of 10 years ago, Ms simply needs some new AAA titles that could really persuade people to go with the Series X instead of a Sony or Nintendo console.

Ah the classic “fallen angel” scenario. You’ve become bittered with the brand. You can explain all you like myself and others clearly see where you stand. I mean I could buy a PS but who am I going to fool? Ownership means nothing imo, it’s where your passions lie that tell the truth. Fact is you changed the point of your argument about 3 times since you made this thread. You said MS making filler and people prove that’s false, with Ori scoring 90. You then say AAA matters more. People show the AAA in development. Then you say “but they aren’t system sellers”. Ok Mr. stockholder-and-not-gamer. Not to mention insulting the AAA games that aren’t even announced yet. Like how you think it’s objective to write off a rumoured Perfect Dark reboot without knowing anything about it shows this thread is a dead end.

 

 

Thread title is quite misleading and should be renamed to "Come and read 10+ pages of mental gymnastics"



Grace period over. No more posting in this thread.