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Hiku said:

Why is every election like this

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Well on one hand you could get diabetes from eating the doughnut and then since you can't afford healthcare you'll just die. On the other hand Nanna probably has home insurance and will get a big payout if her house burns down.

So.... burn it down?



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There's a chance that the Democrats could get an outright majority in the Senate due to the GOP's antics and their more level-headed and/or left wing or the party switching sides as a result. Most prominent candidate for this: Lisa Murkowski:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVd_xx96E6o

And looking beyond this year, continued Trumpism can have a bad effect on the GOP for 2022, too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLgVtH9gjZA

Last edited by Bofferbrauer2 - on 09 January 2021

Bofferbrauer2 said:

There's a chance that the Democrats could get an outright majority in the Senate due to the GOP's antics and their more level-headed and/or left wing or the party switching sides as a result. Most prominent candidate for this: Lisa Murkowski:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVd_xx96E6o

And looking beyond this year, continued Trumpism can have a bad effect on the GOP for 2022, too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLgVtH9gjZA

I don't get this... I mean sure Trump's a fucking embarassment, but why would she caucus as a democrat? Presumably she had views that led her to be a republican before Trump, so what has changed? I can understand deciding to be an independent because you don't want to be associated with the GOP anymore, but I can't see the logic behind this. Unless you have to caucus with one party or another for some resaon.



JWeinCom said:

I don't get this... I mean sure Trump's a fucking embarassment, but why would she caucus as a democrat? Presumably she had views that led her to be a republican before Trump, so what has changed? I can understand deciding to be an independent because you don't want to be associated with the GOP anymore, but I can't see the logic behind this. Unless you have to caucus with one party or another for some resaon.

You're not required to caucus with anyone, although as a practical matter it's hard to accomplish anything without caucusing, since that's where decisions are made and actions are coordinated.

For what it's worth, we have seen politicians change from one of the major parties to the other during their term, including just last year (Jeff van Drew). It's rare though, and it's nearly always Democrats converting to Republicans.



noname2200 said:
JWeinCom said:

I don't get this... I mean sure Trump's a fucking embarassment, but why would she caucus as a democrat? Presumably she had views that led her to be a republican before Trump, so what has changed? I can understand deciding to be an independent because you don't want to be associated with the GOP anymore, but I can't see the logic behind this. Unless you have to caucus with one party or another for some resaon.

You're not required to caucus with anyone, although as a practical matter it's hard to accomplish anything without caucusing, since that's where decisions are made and actions are coordinated.

For what it's worth, we have seen politicians change from one of the major parties to the other during their term, including just last year (Jeff van Drew). It's rare though, and it's nearly always Democrats converting to Republicans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_party_switchers_in_the_United_States

Not exactly.  Although historically up until 2000, it was much more likely for a Democrat to change parties than a Republican.  Since then, things have begun to shift to be more equal between the parties.  Compiling the numbers since Trump took office in 2017, as those seem more relevant to modern politics:

Democrat -> Republican (14)
Democrat -> Other (9)
Republican -> Democrat (19)
Republican -> Other (15)

At this point in history, the tables have turned and Republicans are seeing more departures.  But I suspect this trend will end after Trump leaves office.



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noname2200 said:
JWeinCom said:

I don't get this... I mean sure Trump's a fucking embarassment, but why would she caucus as a democrat? Presumably she had views that led her to be a republican before Trump, so what has changed? I can understand deciding to be an independent because you don't want to be associated with the GOP anymore, but I can't see the logic behind this. Unless you have to caucus with one party or another for some resaon.

You're not required to caucus with anyone, although as a practical matter it's hard to accomplish anything without caucusing, since that's where decisions are made and actions are coordinated.

For what it's worth, we have seen politicians change from one of the major parties to the other during their term, including just last year (Jeff van Drew). It's rare though, and it's nearly always Democrats converting to Republicans.

Tbh I'm not 100% on what caucusing means, so maybe I should research it a bit more before commenting.



IvorEvilen said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_party_switchers_in_the_United_States

Not exactly.  Although historically up until 2000, it was much more likely for a Democrat to change parties than a Republican.  Since then, things have begun to shift to be more equal between the parties.  Compiling the numbers since Trump took office in 2017, as those seem more relevant to modern politics:

Democrat -> Republican (14)
Democrat -> Other (9)
Republican -> Democrat (19)
Republican -> Other (15)

At this point in history, the tables have turned and Republicans are seeing more departures.  But I suspect this trend will end after Trump leaves office.

Sorry, I should have been more specific with my language: instead of "politicians" I should have said "Congressmen." My understanding is that a Rep->Dem switch has only happened four times, while a Dem -> Rep change has occurred 18 times.

JWeinCom said:

Tbh I'm not 100% on what caucusing means, so maybe I should research it a bit more before commenting.

A "caucus" (in this context) basically means gathering of like-minded folks for purposes of planning/strategizing. "What policies do we want to push, and how do we want to accomplish that" is done much more efficiently by a group that can agree on a decision-making process, so while it's theoretically possible to not caucus at all you're probably not going to accomplish much, outside of somehow being the only deciding vote on a matter.

For the record, you can belong to multiple caucuses at once, and I'm pretty sure every Congressman is part of at least two caucuses.



People who leave the party now have absolutely no place in politics and should be denounced by any other party they want to join.. It means they have no standards or convictions they follow. The GOP is literally no different than it was 10 years ago, yet then those people were fine with it. At least Ted and Mitch stick with their asshole convictions.



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vivster said:

 At least Ted and Mitch stick with their asshole convictions.

...Do they though? They're somehow even lower today than they were in prior years...



noname2200 said:
vivster said:

 At least Ted and Mitch stick with their asshole convictions.

...Do they though? They're somehow even lower today than they were in prior years...

Just because they're getting presented with ever more depraved situations where they can live out their fetish of being trashbags of human cells doesn't mean they're actually worse than 10 years ago.

They have always been this way, they just didn't have someone to dig the hole deep enough for them to stand in it.



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