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Just buy a high end PC if you want ultimate power, forget about flops... but seriously just wait until the consoles both launch and watch some DF if you care so much.

For a more in depth analysis for GPU's you guys should check out this video from NX Gamer, who goes quite in depth with comparisons with different hardware GPU configs and API. Really interesting stuff and goes to show that you shouldn't get too hung up on paper specs.

I'm actually more excited that these consoles are designed to be easier to develop for. So the cycle for games will be much faster this time. Graphics be damned. I mean I still appreciate really nice graphics but yeah, I think we've got to a point where games are visually good enough and can't wait to see what developers can do with that juicy Zen 2 CPU and SSD's.



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hinch said:

Just buy a high end PC if you want ultimate power, forget about flops... but seriously just wait until the consoles both launch and watch some DF if you care so much.

For a more in depth analysis for GPU's you guys should check out this video from NX Gamer, who goes quite in depth with comparisons with different hardware GPU configs and API. Really interesting stuff and goes to show that you shouldn't get too hung up on paper specs.

I'm actually more excited that these consoles are designed to be easier to develop for. So the cycle for games will be much faster this time. Graphics be damned. I mean I still appreciate really nice graphics but yeah, I think we've got to a point where games are visually good enough and can't wait to see what developers can do with that juicy Zen 2 CPU and SSD's.

The Series X specs are higher then 90% of PCs currently used on Steam. And for half the price with the added benefit of being more compatible with entertaining groups while hosting. 

PCs have their place and plenty strengths, but consoles have always been more cost effective and convenient. 



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

sales2099 said:
hinch said:

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The Series X specs are higher then 90% of PCs currently used on Steam. And for half the price with the added benefit of being more compatible with entertaining groups while hosting. 

PCs have their place and plenty strengths, but consoles have always been more cost effective and convenient. 

PC gamers care less about convenience and cost (many of them, anyway). That's something always thrown about, but means little in the end. If you want the superior experience, you build a gaming PC. 

On top of that (I always have to say this too) the Steam survey tracks a fraction of the segment of PC gamers out there. Just based on the benchmark world, alone, plenty of people have PCs that already crush both upcoming next gen consoles. That's just how it is and will only be worse at launch (when the 3000 series arrives).



                                                                                                             

sales2099 said:
hinch said:

Just buy a high end PC if you want ultimate power, forget about flops... but seriously just wait until the consoles both launch and watch some DF if you care so much.

For a more in depth analysis for GPU's you guys should check out this video from NX Gamer, who goes quite in depth with comparisons with different hardware GPU configs and API. Really interesting stuff and goes to show that you shouldn't get too hung up on paper specs.

I'm actually more excited that these consoles are designed to be easier to develop for. So the cycle for games will be much faster this time. Graphics be damned. I mean I still appreciate really nice graphics but yeah, I think we've got to a point where games are visually good enough and can't wait to see what developers can do with that juicy Zen 2 CPU and SSD's.

The Series X specs are higher then 90% of PCs currently used on Steam. And for half the price with the added benefit of being more compatible with entertaining groups while hosting. 

PCs have their place and plenty strengths, but consoles have always been more cost effective and convenient. 

What I'm saying is that its all relative. Consoles are closed based design and will be optimised more than PC. And multiplats will be limited by lowest common denominator making the difference defunct; look at PS4 Pro<Xbox One X.

PC's will always be technologically ahead of the curve as consoles take years of planning to make GPU manufacturers will still be developing new GPU tech. Take the PS4/Xbox one for example by the time that launched it was already low mid-tier by launch. Its the same this upcoming generation.

Nvidia Ampere is soon out and will dwarf the next gen consoles in pure throughout and you can be sure the raytracing capabilities in conjunction with DLSS 2.0+ up scaling will be way more capable than either consoles.

All I am saying is that a minor difference in GPU throughput is not going to make much of a difference in real world performance. And if people are interested in tech I don't see why they spend so much energy into a topic, instead of.. you know, just buying a console and enjoying games like normal people xD Or like I said, get a PC tweak with settings. Play with mods, enjoy super high refresh rates and not being tied to an ecosystem that forces you to pay to access essential features.



CGI-Quality said:
sales2099 said:

The Series X specs are higher then 90% of PCs currently used on Steam. And for half the price with the added benefit of being more compatible with entertaining groups while hosting. 

PCs have their place and plenty strengths, but consoles have always been more cost effective and convenient. 

PC gamers care less about convenience and cost (many of them, anyway). That's something always thrown about, but means little in the end. If you want the superior experience, you build a gaming PC. 

On top of that (I always have to say this too) the Steam survey tracks a fraction of the segment of PC gamers out there. Just based on the benchmark world, alone, plenty of people have PCs that already crush both upcoming next gen consoles. That's just how it is and will only be worse at launch (when the 3000 series arrives).

Of course there are many PC gamers with high end systems that aren't part of the Steam survey. But there are also many more PC gamers with low end and average PCs that aren't part of the Steam survey.

And I doubt that the percentage of high end PC gamers in total / without Steam is higher than the percentage of high end PC gamers shown in the Steam survey.

Why should high end PC gamers overproportionately avoid Steam? These hardware enthusiasts often are very active gamers which won't dispense PC games that are only available on Steam.

Or why should Steam gamers with high end systems overproportionately deny the hardware survey? Most of them are proud of their hardware and want to show the specs all the time. Even if the survey is anonymous probably more Steam gamers with low end systems will deny the hardware survey than people with high end systems.

So the absolute numbers of PC high end systems will be a lot higher than higher than "active Steam users x GPU percentage), but the percentage shares of PC gamers with high end systems will probably be lower than shown by the survey.

And how many people are participating in the "benchmark world"? A few thousands per month, a few tenthousands per year? IMHO the Steam data is much more representative than benchmark data collections.



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Conina said:
CGI-Quality said:

PC gamers care less about convenience and cost (many of them, anyway). That's something always thrown about, but means little in the end. If you want the superior experience, you build a gaming PC. 

On top of that (I always have to say this too) the Steam survey tracks a fraction of the segment of PC gamers out there. Just based on the benchmark world, alone, plenty of people have PCs that already crush both upcoming next gen consoles. That's just how it is and will only be worse at launch (when the 3000 series arrives).

Of course there are many PC gamers with high end systems that aren't part of the Steam survey. But there are also many more PC gamers with low end and average PCs that aren't part of the Steam survey.

And I doubt that the percentage of high end PC gamers in total / without Steam is higher than the percentage of high end PC gamers shown in the Steam survey.

Why should high end PC gamers overproportionately avoid Steam? These hardware enthusiasts often are very active gamers which won't dispense PC games that are only available on Steam.

Or why should Steam gamers with high end systems overproportionately deny the hardware survey? Most of them are proud of their hardware and want to show the specs all the time. Even if the survey is anonymous probably more Steam gamers with low end systems will deny the hardware survey than people with high end systems.

So the absolute numbers of PC high end systems will be a lot higher than higher than "active Steam users x GPU percentage), but the percentage shares of PC gamers with high end systems will probably be lower than shown by the survey.

And how many people are participating in the "benchmark world"? A few thousands per month, a few tenthousands per year? IMHO the Steam data is much more representative than benchmark data collections.

The point remains — the Steam survey doesn't tell the whole story. It never has. It can give you an idea of what many people are using, in a given time period, but shouldn't be used as some means to dictate any "advantage" of console hardware. It also doesn't change the bottom line — console hardware will never be ahead of PC hardware, and thus, another reason why they (consoles) shouldn't be placed in an unfair/unrealistic position. It simply moves into pointless dick measuring and the most vocal, in this case, still come up short. 

And I didn't say the benchmark tallies were more reliable than Steam's survey (though I can see why you may have read it that way). In fact, that was much of my point — they're all a fraction of data. "The Series X specs are higher then 90% of PCs currently used on Steam". I'll read the survey again, but outside of the SSD, I'd bet that 90% is a hyperbolic guess.

Last edited by CGI-Quality - on 25 April 2020