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"We are beating Sony by about 8 million units!" - Phil Spencer Circa 2008

"It isn't about console sales, it's about software sales! That's not our strategy anymore!" - Phil Spencer Circa 2016

"It isn't about software sales, it's about concurrent peak players." - Phil Spencer Circa 2019

"PS Fans are moving the goalpost!" - Azzanation 2020.

:D :D :D



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Cerebralbore101 said:
"We are beating Sony by about 8 million units!" - Phil Spencer Circa 2008

"It isn't about console sales, it's about software sales! That's not our strategy anymore!" - Phil Spencer Circa 2016

"It isn't about software sales, it's about concurrent peak players." - Phil Spencer Circa 2019

"PS Fans are moving the goalpost!" - Azzanation 2020.

:D :D :D

Seems like you missed the several threads were he tried to prove that Xbox1 was more profitable than PS4 through MAU (that was slightly higher than Sony PS+ at that moment). Ignored HW sales, SW sales, Gold vs PS+ subs, and picked two different metrics to come to as always a wrong conclusion.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Azzanation said:
DonFerrari said:

Do it,

Bring the list of MS exclusive GOTYs per year this gen and how many awards they won each year.

You don't even understand what the debate is about. I have made it clear its about the quality of the awards not the quantity. I can easily rip out random GOTY awards. I will link accouple for you below.

src said:

Like the poster above says do it. Xbox won't come close to PS.

^Moving Goal Posts. No where is this a comparison between the two, its about the quality of the awards, not awards giving out from random sites that hold little to no weight. Ill link you acouple Xbox titles that won GOTY awards from some sites.

A quick google search and bam! results.

Gears 5

https://www.gamesradar.com/au/gears-5-xbox-game-golden-joystick-2019/ < Who cares

Forza Horizon 4

https://stevivor.com/features/in-depth/stevivors-xbox-one-goty-2018-forza-horizon-4/ < Who cares

Do you guys actually care about random awards giving out to any game? It will also make no difference either if Forza Horizon 4 won 60 GOTY awards from no names. Its the major and industry driven and recognisable awards that hold more weight. A game winning GOTY at the Game Awards or at IGN holds more weight than 20 GOTYs from Randoms like Stevivors.

OverWatch did this in its release year not UC4. UC4 won more awards from god knows who, compared to Over Watch who won the major awards from the major outlets. 

Now I couldn't care any less for GOTY but to say UC4 and Death Stranding are GOTYs is no different to me saying Gears 5 and Forza Horizon 4 are as well, because they have also won GOTY. If you are a follower of Stevivors than you will not care about the other awards in the world.

Its the quality of the awards that means most, not the quantity of the awards. That's my opinion and you both can disagree all you want. The gaming industry is a bias place and MS, Sony and Nintendo can easily pay tribute to publishers for a helping hand in giving these awards out, its why I clearly stay away from unknown and random or simple unrecognisable awards and reviews.

You found one lmao

Meanwhile Sony,

Death Stranding - 80

GoW - 198

UC4 - 165

Your opinion is irrelevant. We are talking about the games that have the most GOTY awards, it's a simple numbers game. 



Cerebralbore101 said:
"We are beating Sony by about 8 million units!" - Phil Spencer Circa 2008

"It isn't about console sales, it's about software sales! That's not our strategy anymore!" - Phil Spencer Circa 2016

"It isn't about software sales, it's about concurrent peak players." - Phil Spencer Circa 2019

"PS Fans are moving the goalpost!" - Azzanation 2020.

:D :D :D

Erm.. doesn't matter of the subject, moving goalposts is moving goalposts. And ill call it out everytime.

I think its funny how right you just proven me. Iv been saying for years it isnt about console sales for Xbox and here you just showed that the CEO of Xbox just proved my point. Thanks.

DonFerrari said:

Seems like you missed the several threads were he tried to prove that Xbox1 was more profitable than PS4 through MAU (that was slightly higher than Sony PS+ at that moment). Ignored HW sales, SW sales, Gold vs PS+ subs, and picked two different metrics to come to as always a wrong conclusion.

How long ago was that? Curious question.

Also please link me the thread where i stated Xbox is making more money than PS4.. dont stress, i am not going anywhere.

src said:

You found one lmao

Meanwhile Sony,

Death Stranding - 80

GoW - 198

UC4 - 165

Your opinion is irrelevant. We are talking about the games that have the most GOTY awards, it's a simple numbers game. 

No, i was always talking about the quality of the awards. You can bring up the qauntity all you want, that does not change my post. 

I proved i can find games that win random GOTY awards, awards that no one cares about. There are probably 20 GOTY awards that matter, the rest of the 200 awards given out, no one gives a shit.

Last edited by Azzanation - on 18 March 2020

Azzanation said:
Cerebralbore101 said:
"We are beating Sony by about 8 million units!" - Phil Spencer Circa 2008

"It isn't about console sales, it's about software sales! That's not our strategy anymore!" - Phil Spencer Circa 2016

"It isn't about software sales, it's about concurrent peak players." - Phil Spencer Circa 2019

"PS Fans are moving the goalpost!" - Azzanation 2020.

:D :D :D

Erm.. doesn't matter of the subject, moving goalposts is moving goalposts. And ill call it out everytime.

I think its funny how right you just proven me. Iv been saying for years it isnt about console sales for Xbox and here you just showed that the CEO of Xbox just proved my point. Thanks.

But you won't call it out when Phil does it?

It is about console sales for Xbox. Console sales determines which company makes the most money in the long run. Phil wants to claim otherwise, but the math disagrees with him. He's just a PR spin machine. If XB1 had actually managed to beat PS4 in console sales, he'd be singing an entirely different tune.



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Azzanation said:

No, i was always talking about the quality of the awards. You can bring up the qauntity all you want, that does not change my post. 

I proved i can find games that win random GOTY awards, awards that no one cares about. There are probably 20 GOTY awards that matter, the rest of the 200 awards given out, no one gives a shit.

Quality of the awards? LMAO!!!!

What makes an award better than another? It having a popular award show?

Who votes to give those awards? A panel of gaming journalists and personalities from multiple outlets and backgrounds. 

It’s the fucking same with most gaming outlets. A panel of people gather their votes and a title emerges above the others.

No different from the game awards. But you take the one with an award show as gospel because you know jack shit about the rest the world.

That tou cling to such argument is laughable at best.

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Cerebralbore101 said:
Azzanation said:

Erm.. doesn't matter of the subject, moving goalposts is moving goalposts. And ill call it out everytime.

I think its funny how right you just proven me. Iv been saying for years it isnt about console sales for Xbox and here you just showed that the CEO of Xbox just proved my point. Thanks.

But you won't call it out when Phil does it?

It is about console sales for Xbox. Console sales determines which company makes the most money in the long run. Phil wants to claim otherwise, but the math disagrees with him. He's just a PR spin machine. If XB1 had actually managed to beat PS4 in console sales, he'd be singing an entirely different tune.

Ill call Phil out when something he says doesnt make sense.

The point is what iv been saying is correct. Steam, Apple and Android all showcase you dont need consoles to make a fortune in gaming. Am i wrong in saying that?

However on this site, you have to see past the corrupted sheep. Remember when people accused Phil for being behind on the Series X development.. Phil came out and said he had an actual Series X console in his house, than people called him out again saying his lying, than Phil showcases the actual chip designs and console design at the Game Awards.. 

I see past the blind sighted people. 

The point is i was proven correct by the actual CEO of Xbox. 



Azzanation said:
Cerebralbore101 said:
"We are beating Sony by about 8 million units!" - Phil Spencer Circa 2008

"It isn't about console sales, it's about software sales! That's not our strategy anymore!" - Phil Spencer Circa 2016

"It isn't about software sales, it's about concurrent peak players." - Phil Spencer Circa 2019

"PS Fans are moving the goalpost!" - Azzanation 2020.

:D :D :D

Erm.. doesn't matter of the subject, moving goalposts is moving goalposts. And ill call it out everytime.

I think its funny how right you just proven me. Iv been saying for years it isnt about console sales for Xbox and here you just showed that the CEO of Xbox just proved my point. Thanks.

DonFerrari said:

Seems like you missed the several threads were he tried to prove that Xbox1 was more profitable than PS4 through MAU (that was slightly higher than Sony PS+ at that moment). Ignored HW sales, SW sales, Gold vs PS+ subs, and picked two different metrics to come to as always a wrong conclusion.

How long ago was that? Curious question.

src said:

You found one lmao

Meanwhile Sony,

Death Stranding - 80

GoW - 198

UC4 - 165

Your opinion is irrelevant. We are talking about the games that have the most GOTY awards, it's a simple numbers game. 

No, i was always talking about the quality of the awards. You can bring up the qauntity all you want, that does not change my post. 

I proved i can find games that win random GOTY awards, awards that no one cares about. There are probably 20 GOTY awards that matter, the rest of the 200 awards given out, no one gives a shit.

But no one cares about your opinion hence what YOU THINK is a quality award is irrelevant. 

Even in your own metric Sony owns Microsoft:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Game_of_the_Year_awards#IGN

IGN GOTY 2001 -2019

6 PS exclusives

1 Xbox exclusive

Gamespot GOTY 1996 -2019

5 PS exclusives

1 Xbox exclusive

Polygon GOTY 2012 -2019

1 PS exclusive

0 Xbox exclusive

Gameinformer GOTY 1992 -2019

6 PS exclusives

2 Xbox exclusive

LMAO

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src said:

But no one cares about your opinion hence what YOU THINK is a quality award is irrelevant. 

Even in your own metric Sony owns Microsoft:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Game_of_the_Year_awards#IGN

IGN GOTY 2001 -2019

6 PS exclusives

1 Xbox exclusive

Gamespot GOTY 1996 -2019

5 PS exclusives

1 Xbox exclusive

Polygon GOTY 2012 -2019

1 PS exclusive

0 Xbox exclusive

Gameinformer GOTY 1992 -2019

6 PS exclusives

2 Xbox exclusive

LMAO

Point proven right here of goalpost moving at its worst.

We are not talking about other games, we are referring to UC4 and Death Stranding.

FYI, i dont care if you care about my opinion. You just proved that these awards are all subjected. Anyone can claim there game is GOTY because the awards are throw around like crazy. Depends they follow as there reviewers. Those that are super loyal to Stevivor are going to say Forza Horizon 4 is GOTY, those that follow PS Universe will say UC4 is etc.

Thats not a hard concept to grasp so i am hoping you grasped it by now.



> Claims Xbox comes close to PS in first party GOTY
> PS destroys Xbox by hundreds of awards
> Then claims that only the awards he picks count
> PS still destroys Xbox over 20+ years.

Poor guy can't even comprehend how behind Xbox is lol