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Alistair said:

Microsoft's Xbox 360 outsold the PS3 almost 2 to 1 in the United States. Even overall the 360 outsold the PS3 all the way until 2013 when the PS4 had launched. The PS3 definitely lost that generation, who cares Sony sold more Blu-ray players in the end (my brother in law picked up a PS3 for use as a bluray player, late in the generation). 

Technically Sony sold more PS3 than the Xbox 360, but it is kind of bizarre to call it winning to be behind for 7 years (even with no Xbox 360 sales in Japan and Asia) and then squeak out some sales after the generation has ended (the Last of Us basically).

You forget that many people buy several 360 because of the RROD. 

I don't know why some of you are upset, PlayStation is way more liked than Xbox Worldwide. It's not new.



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LudicrousSpeed said:

My thoughts on his opinion:

1. Exclusives are mostly irrelevant to lifelong sales of hardware. Sales charts prove this. Even the best selling, most bundled PS4 game sold to what, 10% of the userbase? Yearly sales charts prove this. The decade sales chart that came out recently was dominated by third party multiplatform stuff. The only exception to this is Nintendo, but Microsoft and Sony don't have the ecosystem Nintendo has. Multiplatform third party stuff is the most important thing. Exclusives are great, and they certainly help sell consoles, but as the WiiU proved, even phenomenal exclusives won't make a console a success. That said, Microsoft bought a ton of studios to help in this regard because their first party lineup was sorely lacking this gen. You need a stream of software just to keep existing owners interested and using services, let alone enticing new customers to buy the hardware.

2. We can see that Sony is going to start the same play anywhere software focus that Microsoft has going. So pretty soon even the "gotta get a PS5 for exclusives!" bullet point won't apply. And even if it takes a couple years, oh well. People can wait. Pretty soon I guess the only combo needed will be PC+Nintendo.

3. There's zero mention of xCloud or even GamePass in the whole article which says to me the author just isn't seeing the big picture. Personally unless Sony royally screws something up on Xbone levels of magnitude, of course Sony will outsell MS? They just have too large an advantage in worldwide appeal. But "crush"? I doubt it, and services will be more important to MS anyway. Obviously the more next gen hardware they can sell the more potential users they can sell the services to but they also have PC and with xCloud also mobile and potentially even Switch. The race has evolved beyond how many consoles did A sell versus B. But again, Sony knows this too, thats why we're seeing multiplatform stuff from them and PC releases of their games. It will only ramp up.

I just hope both consoles are very powerful and we see a meaningful jump down the line in games from what we see right now.

Two questions:

What do you mean by this ecosystem that only Nintendo has?

About multi-plats, Xbox has all multiplats and is much more affordable than PS4 in general. So, even many years after Xbox release mistakes that nobody remembers anymore, why do you think it's been selling so poorly in comparison with PS4?



God bless You.

My Total Sales prediction for PS4 by the end of 2021: 110m+

When PS4 will hit 100m consoles sold: Before Christmas 2019

There were three ravens sat on a tree / They were as blacke as they might be / The one of them said to his mate, Where shall we our breakfast take?


Brand loyalty in Europe and Japan in itself will make PS5 win. And this is coming from a diehard Xbox fan.

That said the “winner” isn’t just about moving the most boxes anymore. Sony could sell the most boxes but MS could very well have a higher active player base. Spread across Pc, Xbox, and Xcloud (I think they will eventually release a Xcloud box for approx $100 for strictly streaming games on TV which will do wonders in its weaker markets.

That said they will do great and probably win in North America with a cheaper Xbox, along with having the more powerful one too. Game pass will be so successful that MS will be profitable regardless of what Sony does.

All that said the article is silly to say everybody should get some combination of gaming PC, PS5 and Switch. Many people only get 1-2 devices per gen (PC being one). To suggest a gaming PC when Xbox Series X is significantly cheaper and more convenient to buy is completely ignored.

I will say anyone who thinks the next gen will be another blowout is sorely mistaken because Xbox isn’t repeating its disastrous start like in 2013



 

 

0D0 said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

My thoughts on his opinion:

1. Exclusives are mostly irrelevant to lifelong sales of hardware. Sales charts prove this. Even the best selling, most bundled PS4 game sold to what, 10% of the userbase? Yearly sales charts prove this. The decade sales chart that came out recently was dominated by third party multiplatform stuff. The only exception to this is Nintendo, but Microsoft and Sony don't have the ecosystem Nintendo has. Multiplatform third party stuff is the most important thing. Exclusives are great, and they certainly help sell consoles, but as the WiiU proved, even phenomenal exclusives won't make a console a success. That said, Microsoft bought a ton of studios to help in this regard because their first party lineup was sorely lacking this gen. You need a stream of software just to keep existing owners interested and using services, let alone enticing new customers to buy the hardware.

2. We can see that Sony is going to start the same play anywhere software focus that Microsoft has going. So pretty soon even the "gotta get a PS5 for exclusives!" bullet point won't apply. And even if it takes a couple years, oh well. People can wait. Pretty soon I guess the only combo needed will be PC+Nintendo.

3. There's zero mention of xCloud or even GamePass in the whole article which says to me the author just isn't seeing the big picture. Personally unless Sony royally screws something up on Xbone levels of magnitude, of course Sony will outsell MS? They just have too large an advantage in worldwide appeal. But "crush"? I doubt it, and services will be more important to MS anyway. Obviously the more next gen hardware they can sell the more potential users they can sell the services to but they also have PC and with xCloud also mobile and potentially even Switch. The race has evolved beyond how many consoles did A sell versus B. But again, Sony knows this too, thats why we're seeing multiplatform stuff from them and PC releases of their games. It will only ramp up.

I just hope both consoles are very powerful and we see a meaningful jump down the line in games from what we see right now.

Two questions:

What do you mean by this ecosystem that only Nintendo has?

About multi-plats, Xbox has all multiplats and is much more affordable than PS4 in general. So, even many years after Xbox release mistakes that nobody remembers anymore, why do you think it's been selling so poorly in comparison with PS4?

Allow me. It’s more or less common knowledge that Nintendo’s exclusives have a much higher adoption rate then multiplats where as most game sales from Xbox and PlayStation are derived from top tier multiplats. As much as Sony fans like to admit it’s exclusives are the reason PS4 is selling so well they pale in comparison to COD, FIFA, Fallout, Destiny, GTA 5, etc. 

Quite simply the last point is the snowball effect. PS4 has a great start and friends simply just buy what their friends have to stay connected. Despite Xbox being cheaper it was its bad start that has a lesser friends snowball effect.  



 

 

DonFerrari said:
Alistair said:

Microsoft's Xbox 360 outsold the PS3 almost 2 to 1 in the United States. Even overall the 360 outsold the PS3 all the way until 2013 when the PS4 had launched. The PS3 definitely lost that generation, who cares Sony sold more Blu-ray players in the end (my brother in law picked up a PS3 for use as a bluray player, late in the generation). 

Technically Sony sold more PS3 than the Xbox 360, but it is kind of bizarre to call it winning to be behind for 7 years (even with no Xbox 360 sales in Japan and Asia) and then squeak out some sales after the generation has ended (the Last of Us basically).

launch aligned PS3 was always ahead of X360. And great jab on the BR player, your brother in law paid 300 USD for a BD player when he could have bought for 50 if he gone for a BD player only.

Are you going to do the opposite way and claim that most Xbox360 owners had to buy 4 systems so in fact PS3 outsold X360 4:1?

Sorry but I got nostalgic when I read “launch aligned”. That was a very popular argument back in the day to mask being last place for the first time in the brands history. 

Thing is there is no fair head start in business. Sometimes a competitor beats you to the punch at launching a product. The gen starts when they start. PS3 sold a grand total of 0 units from Nov 2005- Nov 2006 and they played a slow game of catch-up for 7 years. Japan was literally the only thing that allowed it to edge to second place right at the end of the gen.

It’s not fair, it’s just business. And with people buying multiple Xbox’s, I’d argue that’s a testament to the console itself...people would rather buy multiple 360s then switch to PS3.

On topic, launching head to head means Xbox Series X will loose. But it won’t be a landslide either like this gen, they seem to know their priorities this time around. 



 

 

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0D0 said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

My thoughts on his opinion:

1. Exclusives are mostly irrelevant to lifelong sales of hardware. Sales charts prove this. Even the best selling, most bundled PS4 game sold to what, 10% of the userbase? Yearly sales charts prove this. The decade sales chart that came out recently was dominated by third party multiplatform stuff. The only exception to this is Nintendo, but Microsoft and Sony don't have the ecosystem Nintendo has. Multiplatform third party stuff is the most important thing. Exclusives are great, and they certainly help sell consoles, but as the WiiU proved, even phenomenal exclusives won't make a console a success. That said, Microsoft bought a ton of studios to help in this regard because their first party lineup was sorely lacking this gen. You need a stream of software just to keep existing owners interested and using services, let alone enticing new customers to buy the hardware.

2. We can see that Sony is going to start the same play anywhere software focus that Microsoft has going. So pretty soon even the "gotta get a PS5 for exclusives!" bullet point won't apply. And even if it takes a couple years, oh well. People can wait. Pretty soon I guess the only combo needed will be PC+Nintendo.

3. There's zero mention of xCloud or even GamePass in the whole article which says to me the author just isn't seeing the big picture. Personally unless Sony royally screws something up on Xbone levels of magnitude, of course Sony will outsell MS? They just have too large an advantage in worldwide appeal. But "crush"? I doubt it, and services will be more important to MS anyway. Obviously the more next gen hardware they can sell the more potential users they can sell the services to but they also have PC and with xCloud also mobile and potentially even Switch. The race has evolved beyond how many consoles did A sell versus B. But again, Sony knows this too, thats why we're seeing multiplatform stuff from them and PC releases of their games. It will only ramp up.

I just hope both consoles are very powerful and we see a meaningful jump down the line in games from what we see right now.

Two questions:

What do you mean by this ecosystem that only Nintendo has?

About multi-plats, Xbox has all multiplats and is much more affordable than PS4 in general. So, even many years after Xbox release mistakes that nobody remembers anymore, why do you think it's been selling so poorly in comparison with PS4?

Exactly, Exclusives matter. Sony has had better rated and more quality exclusives this gen over Microsoft and it shows in the sales. 

Ten percent of 106 million is over 10 million units of a game sold. That's is nothing to scoff at. That shows you that at least 10 million people invested in your console because they wanted to play said title.

Exclusives will drive Sony to the top again.



Not really a topic we need (and the article has giant red flags throughout). Not necessarily anything wrong with wild speculation, but much of the article goes beyond that, and considering it has already caused trouble here, it's best to end it now.