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One thing that changed, I hardly ever see people openly sneezing or couching in public anymore. That was the main thing that wearing a mask helped contain.

New study here, or new correlation

The research published Monday in the Canadian Medical Association Journal found that vaccinated people who mix with those who are not vaccinated have a significantly greater chance of being infected than those who stick with people who have received the shot.

In contrast, unvaccinated people's risk of contracting COVID-19 drops when they spend time with people who are vaccinated, because they serve as a buffer to transmission, according to the mathematical model used in the study.

Co-author David Fisman, of the University of Toronto's Dalla Lana school of public health, said the message of the study is that the choice to get vaccinated can't be thought of as merely personal.

"You may like to drive your car 200 kilometres an hour and think that's fun, but we don’t allow you to do that on a highway partly because you can kill and injure yourself, but also because you're creating risk for those around you," he said in a recent interview.


Fisman said the idea for study came a few months ago amid the debate around vaccine passports and vaccine mandates.

"We thought what was missing from that conversation was, what are the rights of vaccinated people to be protected from unvaccinated people?" he said.

The conclusion, he said, is that "public health is something you actually have to do collectively."

"What we kind of concluded is that the decision to not be vaccinated — you can't really regard it as a self-regarding risk (because) you're creating risk for other people around you by interacting with them," he said.

It's the same with masks, you protect others more than yourself. And effectiveness, if any, greatly diminishes the less people use them.

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Adenovirus probable cause of mysterious child hepatitis

Scientists and clinicians are now investigating whether there has been a change in the genetic make-up of the virus that might trigger liver inflammation more easily.

Another possible explanation is that restrictions imposed in the pandemic may have led to young children being first exposed to adenovirus at a slightly later point in their lives, leading to a "more vigorous" immune response in some.

Prof Calum Semple, who is an expert in infectious diseases at Liverpool University, said: "Adenovirus virtually disappeared during the Covid outbreak when there was reduced mixing and it has come back in a surge now."

He said other hypotheses are also being explored, including whether a recent Covid infection might be a trigger for the liver problems along with adenovirus. There is no link to the Covid vaccine. None of the currently confirmed cases in under-10-year-olds in the UK are known to have been vaccinated.

Some of the more shady practices to keep Covid out of NZ are coming to light now

High Court Justice Jillian Mallon ruled that forcing people to stay in quarantine hotels for two weeks initially, and later for one week, was reasonable given the circumstances of the pandemic. But she found that operating a lottery-style system for the beds was unreasonable, and did not take into account how long people had been waiting abroad, or whether they had a compelling need to return home.

“New Zealanders’ right to enter their country could be infringed in some instances in a manner that was not demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society,” the judge concluded.

The flaws in the system were highlighted earlier this year by the case of Charlotte Bellis, a pregnant New Zealand journalist who was temporarily stranded in Afghanistan due to New Zealand's strict border policies. The case quickly became an embarrassment to the New Zealand government, which backed down and offered Bellis a pathway home, which she accepted.

While Omicron leads to less hospitalizations:

A study comparing the clinical outcomes of patients infected with either the Omicron or Delta variant of COVID-19 has found that those who were hospitalized with Omicron required a similar amount of intensive care and medical intervention as those hospitalized with Delta.

What researchers found was that Omicron did come with a significantly lower likelihood of hospitalization: only 3 per cent of those infected with Omicron required hospitalization, compared to nearly 14 per cent of those infected with Delta, regardless of vaccination level.

However, if patients did require hospitalization, the difference in care level needed was much closer.

There was a comparable need for supplemental oxygen and intensive care seen with hospitalized Omicron patients and hospitalized Delta patients. Around 68 per cent of patients hospitalized with Omicron required supplemental oxygen compared to 73 per cent of hospitalized Delta patients. When it came to intensive care, 17.6 per cent of hospitalized Omicron patients had to be taken to the ICU, compared to 25.4 per cent of hospitalized Delta patients.

The good news is, about a factor 5 difference in hospitalizations between Omicron and Delta.

Hot out of the oven for you folks some BA.4/BA.5 data on immune escape properties (South African autumn resurgence). It's looking like a ~ 7.5x decrease from BA.1 without vaccines, which is similar to Beta or Mu vs. Wuhan-type.

Not great, not terrible; could cause some reinfections in those who weren't vaccinated and had BA.1 but nothing like going from Delta to Omicron.

Transmissibility advantage is likely still the main cause for the replacement of vanilla BA.2 here, same as BA.2.12.1.






Weekly update, Covid-19 simmers on.

In total 4.29 million new cases were reported last week (down from 4.88 million) to a total of 512,804,822
Also another 18,818 more deaths were reported (down from 20,264) to a total of 6,259,009

USA went up a bit in cases, 409K vs 332K last week, still heading down in reported deaths 2,506 vs 2,797 last week.
Europe still heading down, 2.15 million cases vs 2.48 million last week, 8,669 reported deaths vs 11,028 last week.

The continents

Kind of converging to the 'new normal' :/

Corners of the world

USA, India and South Africa are heading up again, South Korea and Iran heading down.
Canada went down a bit 55K vs 68K last week, a couple more deaths though 477 vs 365 last week.

Europe in detail

Italy and now Spain are heading up again, rest still on a downwards trend. Reporting is getting more and more spotty.

China still trying to put the genie back in the bottle

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SvennoJ said:

China still trying to put the genie back in the bottle


Cute and honest Sega Saturn fan, also noone should buy Sega grrrr, Sega for life.

Weekly update. Numbers still heading down, but so is reporting and Russia and China's numbers are incomplete to say the least.

In total 3.69 million new cases were reported last week (down from 4.29 million) to a total of 516,494,202
Also another 15,568 more deaths were reported (down from 18,818) to a total of 6,274,577

Europe is still on a downward trend, 2.15M -> 1.74M and 7,081 deaths (8,669 last week)
USA is slowly creeping up again, 409K -> 497K and 3,726 deaths (2,506 last week)

The continents

Africa is heading back up even though Reunion island has gone silent in reporting.
North America is creeping up as well, Europe and Asia heading down, South America and Oceania remaining about the same.

Corners of the world

South Africa is heading into winter with their 5th surge gaining momentum.
India and the USA are also slowly heading up. China and Iran dropping.
China only reports symptomatic cases and still has many lock downs in major cities.

Europe in detail

Some countries only report twice a week now and testing gets more and more restricted. But deaths are still declining, so no problem yet.

However we shouldn't let our guards down just yet

Slight discrepancy...

The White House is sharing these estimates as officials renew their push to get Congress to approve additional funding to combat the virus and as the nation approaches a coronavirus death toll of 1 million. Officials have said the White House will commemorate the moment when the U.S. surpasses 1 million deaths from COVID-19.

Worldometer already has the US 'official' death toll at 1,024,386 which is still very much under counted.

It's the theme of this pandemic, downplaying the numbers every which way possible.
Countries have reported some five million COVID-19 deaths in two years, but global excess deaths are estimated at double or even quadruple that figure.

The counter ticked over in the presidential office as well now

U.S. President Joe Biden on Thursday commemorated the death of 1 million people in the Unites States from COVID-19, marking what he called "a tragic milestone" and urging Americans to "remain vigilant" amid the ongoing pandemic.

The United States on Wednesday recorded more than 1 million COVID-19 deaths, according to a Reuters tally, crossing a once-unthinkable milestone about two years after the first cases upended everyday life. The loss represents about one death for every 327 Americans, or more than the entire population of San Francisco or Seattle.

Worldometer is already 26K deaths over the million and the death toll is likely still under counted, but now it's officially over 1 million.

North Korea suddenly started reporting Covid numbers

Before acknowledging its first domestic COVID-19 cases, North Korea spent 2 1/2 years rejecting outside offers of vaccines and steadfastly claiming that its superior socialist system was protecting its 26 million people from "a malicious virus" that had killed millions around the world.

Its surprise admission this week has left many outsiders wondering just how bad things really are, and there's rising worry that it could cause a major humanitarian crisis in a country with one of the world's worst public medical infrastructures.

Locally more and more people are getting infected around us and it seems my wife has it now. She is in a bad state, yesterday was so bad she said death would be better :/ She's been through a lot so that coming from her :( She's hurting all over, fevers (It's a heat wave here and she's shivering under a blanket) migraine headaches, bad cough, no taste, hard to breath when coughing gets bad. She's too stubborn to go to get help, not they they can do much anyway. The 3 vaccine doses will have to do...

She likely got it from out youngest who is still sick at home. He's off better, soar throat, extremely tired and bordering on a fever. He likely got it from his nephew that he played with over the weekend. His nephew is doing better, but he got it from his father who recently came back from honeymoon in Mexico and later got a confirmed Covid-19 test when he wasn't feeling well. He didn't get any help offered either, just advised to stay home for 5 days. He's doing ok.

But it managed to reach my wife despite being so careful all the time. I guess if she survives she'll be better protected for next time... Today is looking a bit better, hence I dare say 'if she survives', yesterday was looking very grim as if she wasn't there. Scary stuff.

And now our youngest feels bad for getting his mother sick after him being so worried and careful about just that :( He was the one wearing masks long after the school abandoned them. At 10 years old, seeing your mother in an almost catatonic state, trouble breathing while coughing. Old enough to put 'me sick, she sick' together, not good. And we got to hear this from his friend's mom, as he confided this to his friend in text chat. Makes me sad, he doesn't even want to talk to us about his fears :(

I'm kinda angry at his uncle as well. Go fly to paradise, come tell us about all the great sights and food, and now his sister, my wife is near death...

That sucks SvennoJ, I hope she gets better soon. My grandma had it last week but fortunately, all she had was some sneezes and a stuffy nose. We're getting close to winter here and there are quite a few people coming down with influenza or BA.2, though nothing like January.






Thanks. She's doing much better than yesterday, more responsive, no more shivering. Nasty virus. The real problem is how her lungs are going to cope this time, we're also in allergy season, tree pollen peak. And hopefully it doesn't take 8 months again for her taste to come back.

Her friend (far away, not related) also got Covid-19 recently. It's the one who had her left lung removed because of cancer which they detected half a year too late due to the pandemic. She survived that, it would be terrible if Covid now destroys her other lung. Hopefully she gets through it well.

The numbers are already showing a shift from North to South pandemic wise, winter is starting. At least it's getting less severe. First time my wife (we suspect) had Covid (Februari 2020) she was in the worst state for a lot longer. I'll keep my fingers crossed this is not just a temporary reversal and she keeps improving. Not looking forward to this becoming a biannual or even yearly thing...