Nu-13 said:

That's all nice but has nothing to do with generations. A systems's gen is set in stone the moment it releases. Switch came too long after the start of the 8th gen, therefore it's 9th gen. Ps5 and xsx are coming too long after the start of the 9th gen, therefore they will be 10th gen. Eventually everyone will agree on that due to different reasons.

Nobody will ever agree with that nonsense.

The Dreamcast is universally recognized to be 6th gen despite launching three years before the GameCube and Xbox. A few extra months on top of three years between Switch and the PS5 and XSX aren't a problem when it should be clear to people that generations have gotten a bit longer. When generations themselves get longer, the launch timings naturally have to have more wiggle room as well.

3rd gen: 1983-1986
4th gen: 1987-1990
5th gen: 1994-1996
6th gen: 1998-2001
7th gen: 2004-2006
8th gen: 2011-2013
9th gen: 2017-2020

The launch timings of major consoles of any given generation are only messy in the early stages, but especially early on it was an "anything goes" because it had yet to be figured how video game consoles can be turned into a sustainable business. There's an omitted generation (Atari 5200 and the like) in this list, but it needs to be remembered that this categorization is a construct built by the gaming community, not by any console manufacturer. The reason for this omission and the subsequent stuffing of that generation into 2nd gen has to be because this lost generation had no winner and that's no good for the endless narrative of console wars.

If anyone has an issue with 9th gen launch timings stretching from 2017-2020 because that's too long of a timeframe, they should ask themselves why they'd want to advocate for 2011-2017 for the 8th gen.



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RolStoppable said:
Nu-13 said:

That's all nice but has nothing to do with generations. A systems's gen is set in stone the moment it releases. Switch came too long after the start of the 8th gen, therefore it's 9th gen. Ps5 and xsx are coming too long after the start of the 9th gen, therefore they will be 10th gen. Eventually everyone will agree on that due to different reasons.

Nobody will ever agree with that nonsense.

The Dreamcast is universally recognized to be 6th gen despite launching three years before the GameCube and Xbox. A few extra months on top of three years between Switch and the PS5 and XSX aren't a problem when it should be clear to people that generations have gotten a bit longer. When generations themselves get longer, the launch timings naturally have to have more wiggle room as well.

3rd gen: 1983-1986
4th gen: 1987-1990
5th gen: 1994-1996
6th gen: 1998-2001
7th gen: 2004-2006
8th gen: 2011-2013
9th gen: 2017-2020

The launch timings of major consoles of any given generation are only messy in the early stages, but especially early on it was an "anything goes" because it had yet to be figured how video game consoles can be turned into a sustainable business. There's an omitted generation (Atari 5200 and the like) in this list, but it needs to be remembered that this categorization is a construct built by the gaming community, not by any console manufacturer. The reason for this omission and the subsequent stuffing of that generation into 2nd gen has to be because this lost generation had no winner and that's no good for the endless narrative of console wars.

If anyone has an issue with 9th gen launch timings stretching from 2017-2020 because that's too long of a timeframe, they should ask themselves why they'd want to advocate for 2011-2017 for the 8th gen.

You're not making sense. Ps5 and xsx are basically coming 4 years after the switch. similar time gap between wii u and switch.



Nu-13 said:

You're not making sense. Ps5 and xsx are basically coming 4 years after the switch. similar time gap between wii u and switch.

Neither the PS5 or XSX is a successor to Switch. Also, Switch is a successor to both the 3DS and Wii U, so you are looking at a gap of six years.

The one thing that is really throwing people off is Sony's exit from the handheld market. If Sony hadn't done that and released a Vita successor in 2016/2017 where it would have been due at the latest, then we would be having two 9th gen consoles on the market and nobody would claim that Switch is 8th gen. Because if Vita's successor is not in the same generation as the Vita (which it clearly would not have been), then it obviously makes no sense to count Switch towards the same generation as the 3DS.

The reason why it's clear that Sony consoles play such a large role in the categorization of generations is the stint we had on VGC in 2010 where a lot of people refused to acknowledge the upcoming 3DS as the first 8th generation console. But in 2011 when more news about the PSP successor came out, it dawned on people that they have no choice but to count the 3DS as 8th gen because otherwise they wouldn't be able to call the Vita next gen.

Sony's exit from the handheld market doesn't mean that the generational count is suspended. That's why the thought that Switch could be 8th gen has never crossed my mind because it's abundantly clear that Switch marks a new generation. Different concept, new games, new ecosystem, it's all there. Unfortunately, way too many people in the gaming community use Sony as the measuring stick for everything. That's how we got where we are today with lots of people seriously believing that the 3DS and Switch are part of the same generation. All those same people understand that the Saturn and Dreamcast belong to different generations, but for some reason they keep stumbling when it comes to identifying Switch for what it is.



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RolStoppable said:
Nu-13 said:

You're not making sense. Ps5 and xsx are basically coming 4 years after the switch. similar time gap between wii u and switch.

Neither the PS5 or XSX is a successor to Switch. Also, Switch is a successor to both the 3DS and Wii U, so you are looking at a gap of six years.

The one thing that is really throwing people off is Sony's exit from the handheld market. If Sony hadn't done that and released a Vita successor in 2016/2017 where it would have been due at the latest, then we would be having two 9th gen consoles on the market and nobody would claim that Switch is 8th gen. Because if Vita's successor is not in the same generation as the Vita (which it clearly would not have been), then it obviously makes no sense to count Switch towards the same generation as the 3DS.

The reason why it's clear that Sony consoles play such a large role in the categorization of generations is the stint we had on VGC in 2010 where a lot of people refused to acknowledge the upcoming 3DS as the first 8th generation console. But in 2011 when more news about the PSP successor came out, it dawned on people that they have no choice but to count the 3DS as 8th gen because otherwise they wouldn't be able to call the Vita next gen.

Sony's exit from the handheld market doesn't mean that the generational count is suspended. That's why the thought that Switch could be 8th gen has never crossed my mind because it's abundantly clear that Switch marks a new generation. Different concept, new games, new ecosystem, it's all there. Unfortunately, way too many people in the gaming community use Sony as the measuring stick for everything. That's how we got where we are today with lots of people seriously believing that the 3DS and Switch are part of the same generation. All those same people understand that the Saturn and Dreamcast belong to different generations, but for some reason they keep stumbling when it comes to identifying Switch for what it is.

And? As I said, the only thing that defines a system's generation is when it released. The switch isn't 9th gen because it succeeds the wii u, but because of the 4 year gap between it and the start of the generation (for home consoles, 6 years after 3ds). In due time, this will be accepted (some will accept it for wrong reasons).



RolStoppable said:

Unfortunately, way too many people in the gaming community use Sony as the measuring stick for everything. That's how we got where we are today with lots of people seriously believing that the 3DS and Switch are part of the same generation.

So you're saying it should be C? I'm not asking to argue because I don't care. But I guess, it could change depending on when Switch is replaced by a successor?

A:
Gen 8: N3DS, PS Vita, Wii U, PS4, XB1
Gen 9: Switch, PS5, XSX

B:
Gen 8: N3DS, PS Vita, Wii U, PS4, XB1, Switch
Gen 9: PS5, XSX, Switch successor

C:
Gen 8: N3DS, PS Vita, Wii U, PS4, XB1
Gen 9: Switch
Gen 10: PS5, XSX, Switch successor



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Replicant said:
RolStoppable said:

Unfortunately, way too many people in the gaming community use Sony as the measuring stick for everything. That's how we got where we are today with lots of people seriously believing that the 3DS and Switch are part of the same generation.

So you're saying it should be C? I'm not asking to argue because I don't care. But I guess, it could change depending on when Switch is replaced by a successor?

A:
Gen 8: N3DS, PS Vita, Wii U, PS4, XB1
Gen 9: Switch, PS5, XSX

B:
Gen 8: N3DS, PS Vita, Wii U, PS4, XB1, Switch
Gen 9: PS5, XSX, Switch successor

C:
Gen 8: N3DS, PS Vita, Wii U, PS4, XB1
Gen 9: Switch
Gen 10: PS5, XSX, Switch successor

No, I'm saying A.



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Switch is Gen 8.5, period.

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RolStoppable said:

No, I'm saying A.

Fair enough. I see the logic behind not putting 3DS and Switch in the same gen.



NPD hasn't used 8th/7th gen for years. Hardware is considered either current or legacy.



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Welfare said:
NPD hasn't used 8th/7th gen for years. Hardware is considered either current or legacy.

I don't remember NPD ever using numbers to describe generations.



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