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shikamaru317 said:
Cerebralbore101 said:
Imagine the utter rage and meltdowns of Xbox fans if Sony had actually bought Bethesda. Lol we'd be seeing posts in all caps left and right. Meanwhile the opposite has happened and PS users seem to be taking it in stride. Perhaps that will change if MS makes Bethesda games exclusive, but I don't see MS doing that.

Well of course. Xbox is an open ecosystem, because of that Zenimax's games will be on PC and xCloud as well as Xbox, so there are more options for Sony fans to still play Zenimax games day one if MS decides to not allow them on PS5. Sony on the other hand would have locked those games to PS5, possibly not even allowing day one PC releases for them, which would have had both Xbox and PC gamers furious (PC is Bethesda's largest fanbase, not Xbox, with a massive modding community for their games). 

There is also the fact that Bethesda (and id and Arkane) have past history with Xbox, Bethesda Softworks has always been associated with Xbox as a result of that, so of course Xbox fans would have been furious if Sony hatted a formerly Xbox associated publisher away from Xbox. Sony acquiring Bethesda and then making their games PS5 exclusive would have been roughly equivalent to MS acquiring Insomniac, Quantic Dream, and Housemarque, and then locking them all off from releasing on PS5, Sony fans would go nuclear if that had happened.

What? Bethesda has published all their games to Sony platforms for about 14 years now. How in the world is that equivalent to MS purchasing Insomniac (a studio which almost never released games on Xbox)?

Even if Sony had simply locked Bethesda games out of Xbox, while still allowing them on PC, Xbox fans would have blown a gasket. There would have been several posts in all caps. I've yet to see any all caps posts from Playstation users.



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Cerebralbore101 said:
Imagine the utter rage and meltdowns of Xbox fans if Sony had actually bought Bethesda. Lol we'd be seeing posts in all caps left and right. Meanwhile the opposite has happened and PS users seem to be taking it in stride. Perhaps that will change if MS makes Bethesda games exclusive, but I don't see MS doing that.

People will absolutely rage if MS makes Bethesda games exclusive and blocks out PS5. At this point we have no idea which path Microsoft will choose in regards to that.



Cerebralbore101 said:
Imagine the utter rage and meltdowns of Xbox fans if Sony had actually bought Bethesda. Lol we'd be seeing posts in all caps left and right. Meanwhile the opposite has happened and PS users seem to be taking it in stride. Perhaps that will change if MS makes Bethesda games exclusive, but I don't see MS doing that.

Yes, I'm sure the same type of people who petitioned against DMC4/FF13 even going multiplatform back then are just taking this as calmly as you describe.  I can't really see how someone suggests that unless really limited in their search.  I remember seeing cringe-inducing responses right out of gate, extending to petulant YouTubers.  

Then you're admitting their--alleged--calm response isn't based on maturity but that 'unknown of exclusivity' surrounding this case.  One side would instantly know they're exclusive from now on; while the other gets to consider MS' history and delude themselves into thinking this $7.5 billion deal will just mean business as usual.



Cerebralbore101 said:
Imagine the utter rage and meltdowns of Xbox fans if Sony had actually bought Bethesda. Lol we'd be seeing posts in all caps left and right. Meanwhile the opposite has happened and PS users seem to be taking it in stride. Perhaps that will change if MS makes Bethesda games exclusive, but I don't see MS doing that.

Well, considering I was really upset when they announced that Street Fighter was going to be exclusive and that Spiderman was going to be an exclusive character in a multiplatform game, then yes, I would have been really upset if that had happened, but alas, I'm a happy lad now.

Btw, weren't there literally death threats to Sony executives when they announced some PS games were coming to PC? Admittedly, this was just one guy but I hadn't seen that level of passion before.



Edit: wrong thread



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Cerebralbore101 said:
shikamaru317 said:

Well of course. Xbox is an open ecosystem, because of that Zenimax's games will be on PC and xCloud as well as Xbox, so there are more options for Sony fans to still play Zenimax games day one if MS decides to not allow them on PS5. Sony on the other hand would have locked those games to PS5, possibly not even allowing day one PC releases for them, which would have had both Xbox and PC gamers furious (PC is Bethesda's largest fanbase, not Xbox, with a massive modding community for their games). 

There is also the fact that Bethesda (and id and Arkane) have past history with Xbox, Bethesda Softworks has always been associated with Xbox as a result of that, so of course Xbox fans would have been furious if Sony hatted a formerly Xbox associated publisher away from Xbox. Sony acquiring Bethesda and then making their games PS5 exclusive would have been roughly equivalent to MS acquiring Insomniac, Quantic Dream, and Housemarque, and then locking them all off from releasing on PS5, Sony fans would go nuclear if that had happened.

What? Bethesda has published all their games to Sony platforms for about 14 years now. How in the world is that equivalent to MS purchasing Insomniac (a studio which almost never released games on Xbox)?

Even if Sony had simply locked Bethesda games out of Xbox, while still allowing them on PC, Xbox fans would have blown a gasket. There would have been several posts in all caps. I've yet to see any all caps posts from Playstation users.

Woah bro, all caps? 

Where was the outrage over Street Fighter, Final Fantasy 7 Remake Part One, Final Fantasy whatever number the newest one is, Destiny, Avengers, Deathloop, Kena, Ghostwire, Godfall, Predator Hunting Grounds, etc etc etc? You don’t need to rely on hypothetical abundance of outrage when we have a real life lack of it in similar situations. 

And I’m talking real, widespread outrage. You can find manchildren raging on Youtube about every decision every company makes. Most recently Minecraft guy in Smash.



LudicrousSpeed said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

What? Bethesda has published all their games to Sony platforms for about 14 years now. How in the world is that equivalent to MS purchasing Insomniac (a studio which almost never released games on Xbox)?

Even if Sony had simply locked Bethesda games out of Xbox, while still allowing them on PC, Xbox fans would have blown a gasket. There would have been several posts in all caps. I've yet to see any all caps posts from Playstation users.

Woah bro, all caps? 

Where was the outrage over Street Fighter, Final Fantasy 7 Remake Part One, Final Fantasy whatever number the newest one is, Destiny, Avengers, Deathloop, Kena, Ghostwire, Godfall, Predator Hunting Grounds, etc etc etc? You don’t need to rely on hypothetical abundance of outrage when we have a real life lack of it in similar situations. 

And I’m talking real, widespread outrage. You can find manchildren raging on Youtube about every decision every company makes. Most recently Minecraft guy in Smash.

Here is the best part of this. I can respond to this post - using your own post from this very thread. Fantastic when that happens.

Lets see Street Fighter falls under "buy a huge company that is in no financial stress whatsoever". IE capcom had finical issues and couldn't make street fighter with out it.

And well everything else you listed falls under "temporary exclusives" right along side Yazuka 7, The Medium and a couple other things.

Oh and "outrage" https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9091771

where is THAT outrage?

Where is "Would be a bad move for gamers and the industry. At least with the other studios being bought recently, there was already a great almost de facto standard working situation like Insomniac or Playground, or it was a developer clearly in need of financial relief like Ninja Theory or Double Fine."



You are bound to love Earthbound.

FormerlyTeamSilent13 said:
Cerebralbore101 said:
Imagine the utter rage and meltdowns of Xbox fans if Sony had actually bought Bethesda. Lol we'd be seeing posts in all caps left and right. Meanwhile, the opposite has happened and PS users seem to be taking it in stride. Perhaps that will change if MS makes Bethesda games exclusive, but I don't see MS doing that.

People will absolutely rage if MS makes Bethesda games exclusive and blocks out PS5. At this point, we have no idea which path Microsoft will choose in regards to that.

You are wrong people won't rage, it's only the Sony platform exclusive owner that will make a fuss. But then again if anyone knows the importance of exclusive it's a Sony fan. It only makes sense that Microsoft makes Zenimax game exclusives, I still think you might see some games come to Playstation and Nintendo down the road. 

I doubt there will be much backlash because most Playstation owners actually own multiple consoles and Microsoft offer the PC alternative. I don't understand why people keep insisting that Microsoft needs to support people that have zero intention of supporting their platform. Microsoft will prioritize its platform and will be cagy on if and when it comes to other platforms. 

Besides, don't all Xbox exclusive doesn't matter because you all have gaming PC? That's been the argument for years!

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LudicrousSpeed said:
JRPGfan said:

Thats waaay to big a buy isnt it?

That said, I'd love to see Sony take over Bethesda Game Studios.

Sometimes new management is all thats needed, to get things back on track,
and I suspect Bethesda is one of those companys that could benefit from it.

Elder Scrolls Online + Fallout 76 = garbage.

Bethasda has lost its way.

Its too focused on all the wrong things, way to focused on penny pinching, and exploiting consumers.
Sony takeing over, and new engine + a belief in single player focused gameing, and not screwing over consumers.
Suddenly Elderscrolls is back and Fallout too, as their ment to be.

No offense but what is this nonsense? For starters, Bethesda didn't make ESO. Secondly as shitty as Fallout 76 is, it shouldn't outweigh all the other stuff not only Bethesda as a studio has done but the Bethesda publishing brand has done amazing work this gen. For a forum and user who constantly complains about the online aspect of modern publishing, you'd really "love" to see Sony buy a huge company that is in no financial stress whatsoever? A company who makes tons of great single player games? Seems to be conflicting messages. Or is it ok so long as they're exclusive to Playstation?

Quake Champions
Rage 2
Doom
Doom Eternal
Five Wolfenstein games
Dishonored 2
Prey
Evil Within 1 and 2

Among others I'm probably missing. All quality games with meaty SP and no forced MP or "screwing over consumers". Well except Quake, obviously. It's MP.

But you'd "love" to see this all walled off and only available to PS users? Fucking yikes. Would be a bad move for gamers and the industry. At least with the other studios being bought recently, there was already a great almost de facto standard working situation like Insomniac or Playground, or it was a developer clearly in need of financial relief like Ninja Theory or Double Fine.

Lol, when Playstation does it it's pure evil. Got it. :P



Bandorr said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

Woah bro, all caps? 

Where was the outrage over Street Fighter, Final Fantasy 7 Remake Part One, Final Fantasy whatever number the newest one is, Destiny, Avengers, Deathloop, Kena, Ghostwire, Godfall, Predator Hunting Grounds, etc etc etc? You don’t need to rely on hypothetical abundance of outrage when we have a real life lack of it in similar situations. 

And I’m talking real, widespread outrage. You can find manchildren raging on Youtube about every decision every company makes. Most recently Minecraft guy in Smash.

Here is the best part of this. I can respond to this post - using your own post from this very thread. Fantastic when that happens.

Lets see Street Fighter falls under "buy a huge company that is in no financial stress whatsoever". IE capcom had finical issues and couldn't make street fighter with out it.

And well everything else you listed falls under "temporary exclusives" right along side Yazuka 7, The Medium and a couple other things.

Oh and "outrage" https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9091771

where is THAT outrage?

Where is "Would be a bad move for gamers and the industry. At least with the other studios being bought recently, there was already a great almost de facto standard working situation like Insomniac or Playground, or it was a developer clearly in need of financial relief like Ninja Theory or Double Fine."

I already corrected someone else on this, read the thread. And there’s no outrage in the post you linked? And it’s unrelated to every game I listed? You’re grasping at straws here. Let me break it down simple like so you don’t need to make gargantuan reaches:

Person 1: oh man if Sony bought this company xbots would be so outraged we’d be seeing all caps! it would be full panic!

Me: well here’s all this exclusive stuff that has happened in the past and we saw no outrage, why would we see it now? 

Hope that helps.