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Crash Bandicoot vs Spyro

Crash Bandicoot 8 57.14%
 
Spyro 6 42.86%
 
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New Spyro? Or could Microsoft have licensed Banjo Kazooie to Toys for Bob prior to being put on the CoD machine? I guess it could be entirely possible that they'll put whatever CoD game they're working on as part of their portfolio lol



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gtotheunit91 said:

Anyone interested in the potential of inXile working on a Dune RPG? I know the inXile twitter account likes to joke around, so those Dune tweets could be nothing, but Brian Fargo posted on his Twitter last November him meeting with David Lynch. He specifically pointed out for an hour. Sounds to meet like it was for business purposes rather than just to discuss creative stuff lol.

I do not think it's dune but hell I would be VERY happy if it was :)



KiigelHeart said:
twintail said:

I mean, it's amusing because it's clearly not feasible.

Sony have already said in their financial investor meetings that they wouldn't be able to properly support such a scenario. They know their business. If moving to a gamepass subscription would be profitable for them, they most definitely would do it. They've crunched the numbers and and come to the conclusion that it would'n't be without their own content taking a potential hit, and considering how important the quality of their content is to their brand right now, it's not a risk worth taking.

It's amusing because one of their aguments against AB acquisition is their Game Pass concern. That it would take years to rival it. But it wouldn't if they'd be willing to take a risk. If they don't find it feasible then stfu, it's no-one elses concern they can't eat a cake and save it at the same time.

*shrugs*

if they're being asked to voice concerns then they should. Like, that's the entire point in having a forum for these companies to discuss whatever is being asked of them.

The fact that some of you seem to take issue with this is pretty wild imho.

at the end of the day, MS is acquiring a publisher that Sony works with on marketing deals (not just COD) to associate their games to their platform, and COD is one of the primary drivers to Sony's PSN revenue stream (their major income course). 
Whether they lose COD or not, having it added to GamePass will directly influence buying habits because of the lower barrier entry, which in turn negatively impacts their revenue and profits.

It's ok to think Sony are wrong. But I think it's strange that anyone feels they shouldn't be allowed to express concern when they've been asked to. 



I've always said that if Sony did an exact Game Pass clone, it would grow faster than Game Pass, it's not an exact comparison but I say Xbox would be the Netflix and Sony would be the Disney Plus, Netflix is still #1 but Disney+ is growing a lot faster aligned, I would expect a Sony Game Pass to catch up to Game Pass very quickly and I don't think it would be very hard to achieve that goal.

Sony's brand power is incredibly strong, they have a much broader global appeal, their 1st party influence is stronger (until Bethesda/Activision starts dropping) and they have a much higher ceiling for subs due to the fact that there are far more Sony consoles in the wild than Xbox consoles, across PS4/PS5 vs Xbox One/Xbox Series. I would feel confident in saying that there is likely a high chance that Sony's PC launcher will be better than Xbox's as well, Lol.

But being able to compete doesn't mean being profitable, I think Sony could match Game Pass but it would come at a loss of billions, I've no doubt Game Pass is likely losing a lot of money but that's to be expected at this stage, now Sony likely thinks that they profit already and they're already a market leader so why should they bother entering that market.

Microsoft however has different goals in mind and being the juggernaut they are, they can take heavy losses for long term rewards, it'll be a lot harder for Sony, it's a similar case in the TV Streaming market, nobody aside from Netflix is profiting on their streaming segments right now, Disney is taking billions in losses and they're bigger than Sony, other companies such as Paramount will take millions to billions in losses for their streaming segment, no doubt Apple and Amazon is the same.

But the point is they're investing now in the hopes that they'll be one of the survivors of the streaming service market, a few will no doubt fall and the losses will be too much, some will take the losses in the hopes that others pull out first, once we're left with only a few then things will smooth out for them, juggernauts like Apple and Amazon will likely never pull out simply cause they have "fuck you" money and will use that to outlive their competitors.

Microsoft will happily take millions, maybe a few billions in losses over the years if they have a long term goal in mind cause frankly, they can. Sony has a lot more difficulty doing that being that they aren't anywhere near Microsoft so they've weighed the risks up and decided their traditional approach is safer for them and they've no need to take this huge risk, I do though, think there is room for both.



twintail said:
Machiavellian said:

Could also come to Xcloud which would allow people with an Xbox to play it as well.  Would be interesting if that loophole got through.

That would def be something. I didn't consider that, but yeah it's as possibility. But I'd imagine that streaming rights would've been something Sony had in their contract when giving letting 505 get PC publishing rights (considering Sony had their own Now platform and other streaming platforms were popping up around the time).

gtotheunit91 said:

I haven't read this part on this site of the Brazil proceedings where Microsoft straight up says what Sony's winning formula against the likes of Game Pass would be. Thought it was pretty amusing.

“Sony could be able to leverage the high quality of their first-party games even more by making them available on PlayStation Plus at launch day. Such a strategy might be able to quickly speed up the growth of the service’s userbase as a response to the competitive pressure of Game Pass (or any other service) and [the strategy] is not adopted by Sony, even when it comes to the new and updated PlayStation Plus. Such a move by Sony could make PlayStation Plus even more attractive in order to be able to rival eventual strategies by competing game publishers—to the benefit of gamers.”

I mean, it's amusing because it's clearly not feasible.

Sony have already said in their financial investor meetings that they wouldn't be able to properly support such a scenario. They know their business. If moving to a gamepass subscription would be profitable for them, they most definitely would do it. They've crunched the numbers and and come to the conclusion that it would'n't be without their own content taking a potential hit, and considering how important the quality of their content is to their brand right now, it's not a risk worth taking.

Sony can pretty much say whatever they want in a financial meeting but if they did not produce any actual data to support it then it's just a opinion. Its not like someone is going to run the numbers without the data and hold them liable. The thing is, Sony does not have any interest in growing their service the same way MS does because they currently have a huge lead in the console market.  Now with selling their first party games at 70 bones, they have even less incentive.



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To my limited understanding, I think today was the last day for FTC to either refuse or demand concessions unless they agreed with Microsoft for an extension to the date which Microsoft would 100% agree to.

So there is a small chance that it could pass FTC this week, a small chance, Lol. It's unlikely it will be announced though and FTC doesn't announce this shit either to my knowledge, they simply let the time lapse and that means "you can go ahead" but that's private between them and the company.

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Machiavellian said:
twintail said:

That would def be something. I didn't consider that, but yeah it's as possibility. But I'd imagine that streaming rights would've been something Sony had in their contract when giving letting 505 get PC publishing rights (considering Sony had their own Now platform and other streaming platforms were popping up around the time).

gtotheunit91 said:

I haven't read this part on this site of the Brazil proceedings where Microsoft straight up says what Sony's winning formula against the likes of Game Pass would be. Thought it was pretty amusing.

“Sony could be able to leverage the high quality of their first-party games even more by making them available on PlayStation Plus at launch day. Such a strategy might be able to quickly speed up the growth of the service’s userbase as a response to the competitive pressure of Game Pass (or any other service) and [the strategy] is not adopted by Sony, even when it comes to the new and updated PlayStation Plus. Such a move by Sony could make PlayStation Plus even more attractive in order to be able to rival eventual strategies by competing game publishers—to the benefit of gamers.”

I mean, it's amusing because it's clearly not feasible.

Sony have already said in their financial investor meetings that they wouldn't be able to properly support such a scenario. They know their business. If moving to a gamepass subscription would be profitable for them, they most definitely would do it. They've crunched the numbers and and come to the conclusion that it would'n't be without their own content taking a potential hit, and considering how important the quality of their content is to their brand right now, it's not a risk worth taking.

Sony can pretty much say whatever they want in a financial meeting but if they did not produce any actual data to support it then it's just a opinion. Its not like someone is going to run the numbers without the data and hold them liable. The thing is, Sony does not have any interest in growing their service the same way MS does because they currently have a huge lead in the console market.  Now with selling their first party games at 70 bones, they have even less incentive.

I don't think I fully agree with this. There's no denying the comfort of their current situation, but if they believed they could increase their profitability by going the GamePass route, they most definitely would. Why would they wait if a better opportunity was available to them? 

The obvious answer is that it's not nearly as viable an option as you think it would be. I agree with @Ryuu96 that Sony could establish a service that rivals GamePass, but the high potential losses that would naturally come for quite a few years would take a harder toll on Sony than it does on MS currently, and the last thing Sony as a whole needs is their PS division to start posting losses (or vastly decreased profit margins). MS are pretty safe regardless of the Xbox division's overall performance. 



twintail said:
KiigelHeart said:

It's amusing because one of their aguments against AB acquisition is their Game Pass concern. That it would take years to rival it. But it wouldn't if they'd be willing to take a risk. If they don't find it feasible then stfu, it's no-one elses concern they can't eat a cake and save it at the same time.

*shrugs*

if they're being asked to voice concerns then they should. Like, that's the entire point in having a forum for these companies to discuss whatever is being asked of them.

The fact that some of you seem to take issue with this is pretty wild imho.

at the end of the day, MS is acquiring a publisher that Sony works with on marketing deals (not just COD) to associate their games to their platform, and COD is one of the primary drivers to Sony's PSN revenue stream (their major income course). 
Whether they lose COD or not, having it added to GamePass will directly influence buying habits because of the lower barrier entry, which in turn negatively impacts their revenue and profits.

It's ok to think Sony are wrong. But I think it's strange that anyone feels they shouldn't be allowed to express concern when they've been asked to. 

I wouldnt be happy either if my income model was 70 bucks + sub fee and it becomes just a sub fee



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gtotheunit91 said:

New Spyro? Or could Microsoft have licensed Banjo Kazooie to Toys for Bob prior to being put on the CoD machine? I guess it could be entirely possible that they'll put whatever CoD game they're working on as part of their portfolio lol

Let's go with Gex Remastered Trilogy.