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Jpcc86 said:

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Dont know if anyone has mentioned this but presumably a couple of days ago data miners found that theres data of 435 pkmn as opposed to the 400 previously reported which includes  missing legendaries and starters.

https://www.dexerto.com/amp/pokemon/more-than-400-pokemon-sword-shield-datamine-1236923

The 35 are 

[001] - Bulbasaur
[002] - Ivysaur
[003] - Venusaur
[007] - Squirtle
[008] - Wartortle
[009] - Blastoise
[150] - Mewtwo
[151] - Mew
[251] - Celebi
[385] - Jirachi
[638] - Cobalion
[639] - Terrakion
[640] - Virizion
[643] - Reshiram
[644] - Zekrom
[646] - Kyurem
[647] - Keldeo
[722] - Rowlet
[723] - Dartrix
[724] - Decidueye
[725] - Litten
[726] - Torracat
[727] - Incineroar
[728] - Popplio
[729] - Brionne
[730] - Primarina
[789] - Cosmog
[790] - Cosmoem
[791] - Solgaleo
[792] - Lunala
[800] - Necrozma
[802] - Marshadow
[807] - Zeraora
[808] - Meltan
[809] - Melmetal

Dont know if this is true but ummm... Cool.

Those must be event pokemon. From giveaways or events. Just hope it's not behind some kind of paywall.



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Jpcc86 said:

Sup'

Dont know if anyone has mentioned this but presumably a couple of days ago data miners found that theres data of 435 pkmn as opposed to the 400 previously reported which includes  missing legendaries and starters.

https://www.dexerto.com/amp/pokemon/more-than-400-pokemon-sword-shield-datamine-1236923

The 35 are 

[001] - Bulbasaur
[002] - Ivysaur
[003] - Venusaur
[007] - Squirtle
[008] - Wartortle
[009] - Blastoise
[150] - Mewtwo
[151] - Mew
[251] - Celebi
[385] - Jirachi
[638] - Cobalion
[639] - Terrakion
[640] - Virizion
[643] - Reshiram
[644] - Zekrom
[646] - Kyurem
[647] - Keldeo
[722] - Rowlet
[723] - Dartrix
[724] - Decidueye
[725] - Litten
[726] - Torracat
[727] - Incineroar
[728] - Popplio
[729] - Brionne
[730] - Primarina
[789] - Cosmog
[790] - Cosmoem
[791] - Solgaleo
[792] - Lunala
[800] - Necrozma
[802] - Marshadow
[807] - Zeraora
[808] - Meltan
[809] - Melmetal

Dont know if this is true but ummm... Cool.

A lot of those legendaries can fuck off. They are broken in multiplayer, and banned by Smogon. But nothing is going to stop hordes of Timmies from using a bunch of busted legendaries on a team in the main game. 



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Cerebralbore101 said:

A lot of those legendaries can fuck off. They are broken in multiplayer, and banned by Smogon. But nothing is going to stop hordes of Timmies from using a bunch of busted legendaries on a team in the main game. 

Those hordes of Timmies should be free to do so if they want. Banlist as well as nerfs exist to reign in broken mons without removing them from all aspects of the game.



Lonely_Dolphin said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

A lot of those legendaries can fuck off. They are broken in multiplayer, and banned by Smogon. But nothing is going to stop hordes of Timmies from using a bunch of busted legendaries on a team in the main game. 

Those hordes of Timmies should be free to do so if they want. Banlist as well as nerfs exist to reign in broken mons without removing them from all aspects of the game.

No they shouldn't. Allowing Legendaries in Poke'mon matches is like allowing Akuma in SSF2 Turbo. It completely breaks the game. Imagine if you went to play Smash Ultimate online and everybody was using Master Hand. If they put those Legendaries into the game competitive players will have to sit around and wait for somebody that has enough honor to play by the Smogon ruleset. Granted, not all Legendaries are broken, but a lot of the Legendaries from the above list are Uber teir. A.K.A. they will wreck entire teams without taking much damage themselves. 



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Cerebralbore101 said:
Lonely_Dolphin said:

Those hordes of Timmies should be free to do so if they want. Banlist as well as nerfs exist to reign in broken mons without removing them from all aspects of the game.

No they shouldn't. Allowing Legendaries in Poke'mon matches is like allowing Akuma in SSF2 Turbo. It completely breaks the game. Imagine if you went to play Smash Ultimate online and everybody was using Master Hand. If they put those Legendaries into the game competitive players will have to sit around and wait for somebody that has enough honor to play by the Smogon ruleset. Granted, not all Legendaries are broken, but a lot of the Legendaries from the above list are Uber teir. A.K.A. they will wreck entire teams without taking much damage themselves. 

You said main game so I thought you meant through the story which effects no one else. By banlist I mean actually enforced by the game under ranked play as they've done before.



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Ya'll probably dont care much for Stats but ... if you do, check out the stats for the starters's final evos:

Spoiler!

- RillaBoom - Base Stats: 100.125.90.60.70.85 (BST: 530)

- Cinderace - Base Stats: 80.116.75.65.75.119 (BST: 530)

- Inteleon - Base Stats: 70.85.65.125.65.120 (BST: 530)

Mod (Spoiler) Edit ~ CGI

Taken from Smogon, presumably from a datamine (so I cant confirm nor deny it)

But if they are accurate, well im really loving that distrubution. Shame these are all single-type mons tho. 

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Jpcc86 said:

Ya'll probably dont care much for Stats but ... if you do, check out the stats for the starters's final evos:

Spoiler!

- RillaBoom - Base Stats: 100.125.90.60.70.85 (BST: 530)

- Cinderace - Base Stats: 80.116.75.65.75.119 (BST: 530)

- Inteleon - Base Stats: 70.85.65.125.65.120 (BST: 530)

Taken from Smogon, presumably from a datamine (so I cant confirm nor deny it)

But if they are accurate, well im really loving that distrubution. Shame these are all single-type mons tho. 

I'm very pleased with the stats personally. But I agree that they should have all been dual type. 

There's also a leak with the base stats for all of the new Pokemon by the way. There seem to be alot of new Pokemon with good stats. 

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shikamaru317 said:
Jpcc86 said:

Ya'll probably dont care much for Stats but ... if you do, check out the stats for the starters's final evos:

Spoiler!

- RillaBoom - Base Stats: 100.125.90.60.70.85 (BST: 530)

- Cinderace - Base Stats: 80.116.75.65.75.119 (BST: 530)

- Inteleon - Base Stats: 70.85.65.125.65.120 (BST: 530)

Taken from Smogon, presumably from a datamine (so I cant confirm nor deny it)

But if they are accurate, well im really loving that distrubution. Shame these are all single-type mons tho. 

I'm very pleased with the stats personally. But I agree that they should have all been dual type. 

There's also a leak with the base stats for all of the new Pokemon by the way. There seem to be alot of new Pokemon with good stats. 

Spoiler!

Yeah, I've been checking them out and they are pretty solid. It was one thing I didnt like in sun/moon, most new mons had abysmal speed, but this gen they really balanced them well. 

But Copperajah with only 30 base speed? :C

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Jpcc86 said:
shikamaru317 said:

I'm very pleased with the stats personally. But I agree that they should have all been dual type. 

There's also a leak with the base stats for all of the new Pokemon by the way. There seem to be alot of new Pokemon with good stats. 

Yeah, I've been checking them out and they are pretty solid. It was one thing I didnt like in sun/moon, most new mons had abysmal speed, but this gen they really balanced them well. 

But Copperajah with only 30 base speed? :C

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Sadly Copperajah is not the only slow boy. Coalossal is also 30 speed. Appletun is 30 speed. Grapploct is 42 speed. Hatterene is 29 speed. Cursola is 30 speed. Runerigus is 30 speed. Pinurchin is 15 speed.

But there are also a good many fast Pokemon and alot of medium speed Pokemon. 2 of the starters, Bolthund, Dragapult, Eiscue (with broken head), and Barraskewda are all fast, over 100 speed. Plenty more with speed over 70.

I do have a few complaints with the stats. I wish the 2 new bugs, Centiskorch and Frosmoth, were faster, only 65 speed, and Frosmoth needed higher stats in general, I don't like that it's BST is that much lower than Centiskorch. Would also have liked Toxitricity to be a bit faster, 75 speed is ok but not great. Was hoping for a higher BST for Cramorant and Corviknight, both are under 500 BST. Eldegoss is also a bit underwhelming at 460 BST. 

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shikamaru317 said:
Jpcc86 said:

Yeah, I've been checking them out and they are pretty solid. It was one thing I didnt like in sun/moon, most new mons had abysmal speed, but this gen they really balanced them well. 

But Copperajah with only 30 base speed? :C

Sadly Copperajah is not the only slow boy. Coalossal is also 30 speed. Appletun is 30 speed. Grapploct is 42 speed. Hatterene is 29 speed. Cursola is 30 speed. Runerigus is 30 speed. Pinurchin is 15 speed.

But there are also a good many fast Pokemon and alot of medium speed Pokemon. 2 of the starters, Bolthund, Dragapult, Eiscue (with broken head), and Barraskewda are all fast, over 100 speed. Plenty more with speed over 70.

I do have a few complaints with the stats. I wish the 2 new bugs, Centiskorch and Frosmoth, were faster, only 65 speed, and Frosmoth needed higher stats in general, I don't like that it's BST is that much lower than Centiskorch. Would also have liked Toxitricity to be a bit faster, 75 speed is ok but not great. Was hoping for a higher BST for Cramorant and Corviknight, both are under 500 BST. Eldegoss is also a bit underwhelming at 460 BST. 

Corviknight's overall stats are really undewhelming tbh, and its one of the coolests looking new pokemon. Doesnt do much to distinguish itself from Skarmory other than the HP/Def difference. I supposed they dont want to unbalance him since its typing alone makes it really good.

Last edited by Jpcc86 - on 14 November 2019