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SpokenTruth said:
DonFerrari said:

So now besides being a hybrid Switch is a console when 300 and HH when 200?

Wouldn't it need to reach then 100M of Wii + 150M of DS?

No.  Because there is a huge amount of overlap from Wii and DS owners.

Well, DS + Wii sold together 1870 million games, Switch so far only 250 million games:

So only 1620 million Switch games to sell in the next 5 years. Otherwise it is a decline compared to the 7th gen, ain't it?



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Conina said:
SpokenTruth said:

No.  Because there is a huge amount of overlap from Wii and DS owners.

Well, DS + Wii sold together 1870 million games, Switch so far only 250 million games:

So only 1620 million Switch games to sell in the next 5 years. Otherwise it is a decline compared to the 7th gen, ain't it?

It's 1 device that's 2.5 years old against 2 devices that are 13/14 years old.

Also, the DS was often purchased for individuals whereas home consoles tend to be purchased for a whole household.  For example, my wife and I plus our 2 kids had a DS (and 3DS) each.  But we have only 1 Switch.



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SpokenTruth said:
Conina said:

Well, DS + Wii sold together 1870 million games, Switch so far only 250 million games:

So only 1620 million Switch games to sell in the next 5 years. Otherwise it is a decline compared to the 7th gen, ain't it?

It's 1 device that's 2.5 years old against 2 devices that are 13/14 years old.

But you said there is a huge amount of overlap from Wii and DS owners. For that group who owned both (50 million? 60 million? 70 million? 80 million?), it doesn't matter if its one or two devices... they bought a lot of games for both devices.

And about the 13/14 years: the biggest part of these games was sold in a much shorter period: 890 million DS games and were sold in a six-year-period and 840 million Wii games were sold in a six-year-period, so 1730 million games in total.



Conina said:
SpokenTruth said:

It's 1 device that's 2.5 years old against 2 devices that are 13/14 years old.

But you said there is a huge amount of overlap from Wii and DS owners. For that group who owned both (50 million? 60 million? 70 million? 80 million?), it doesn't matter if its one or two devices... they bought a lot of games for both devices.

And about the 13/14 years: the biggest part of these games was sold in a much shorter period: 890 million DS games and were sold in a six-year-period and 840 million Wii games were sold in a six-year-period, so 1730 million games in total.

It's still 2 separate devices.  I bought more games across Wii and DS than Switch because they were separate devices.  I bought New Super Mario Bros (DS) and New Super Mario Bros Wii (Wii).  But I'm not about to buy New Super Mario Bros Deluxe (Switch) twice just to keep up with my purchase rare on the DS and Wii.

You should really look at it from a software to hardware attachment ratio.

Wii - 9.06:1
DS - 6.16:1

Switch - 5.9:1

That Switch figure is far higher than either Wii or DS at the same point in their life and already about to pass the DS.



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DonFerrari said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

New HH instead of Switch? Switch Lite hits the $205 or less sweet spot of pricing, that the Nintendo Handheld market has always thrived on. Track sales of Switch Lite over the next few years, account for the fact that regular Switch exists, and you're essentially tracking the HH market today. If Switch Lite does less than 50 million, then we know the market did indeed shrink due to Smartphone games. If Switch Lite does 50 million or more, then clearly, had Nintendo launched just Switch Lite in 2017 and no dock it would have sold 100+ million. 

So now besides being a hybrid Switch is a console when 300 and HH when 200?

Wouldn't it need to reach then 100M of Wii + 150M of DS?

Switch is a hybrid at $300, and a Handheld at $200. How are you even questioning this? The Lite has no way to play on a TV. 

No, for obvious reasons that others have already pointed out. 



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SpokenTruth said:

It's still 2 separate devices.  I bought more games across Wii and DS than Switch because they were separate devices.  I bought New Super Mario Bros (DS) and New Super Mario Bros Wii (Wii).  But I'm not about to buy New Super Mario Bros Deluxe (Switch) twice just to keep up with my purchase rare on the DS and Wii.

You should really look at it from a software to hardware attachment ratio.

Wii - 9.06:1
DS - 6.16:1

Switch - 5.9:1

That Switch figure is far higher than either Wii or DS at the same point in their life and already about to pass the DS.

No, at the same point in life the Wii already had a software tie ratio of 7.0  (353m Wii software / 50.4m Wii hardware). One year later the Wii had a software tie ratio of 7.68  (545m Wii software / 70.4m Wii hardware).



SpokenTruth said:
DonFerrari said:

So now besides being a hybrid Switch is a console when 300 and HH when 200?

Wouldn't it need to reach then 100M of Wii + 150M of DS?

No.  Because there is a huge amount of overlap from Wii and DS owners.

Sure, how much of an overlap?

Even if you claim 100% overlap, there would still be 150M customers due to DS. Even if you say that DS had more than one sale per console because it was HH then you would have at least 100M Wii.

Since neither case is true, even with as large as you want to claim overlap Switch would need to sell over 150M HW to say there was no contraction on HH while pretending it being hybrid didn't brought any sales from the console portion of the market.

Because if you want to consider it also a HH then it would also qualify for multiples purchases in a household.

Anyway you absolutely can't deny and doesn't matter how much double dips or overlap that 100M Wii + 150M DS saw a major contraction to 15M WiiU and 75M 3DS. Claim whatever anyone wants about PS3 losing 70M sales in a gen that would be less both in raw number (85M Wii to WiiU and 75M DS to 3DS) and less in relative loss so 45% (85% for Wii to WiiU and 50% DS to 3DS) with a very clear X360 picking up PS3 loss in the market (seem by PS2+Xbox, PS3+X360 and PS4+X1 being relatively close to one another).

Cerebralbore101 said:
DonFerrari said:

So now besides being a hybrid Switch is a console when 300 and HH when 200?

Wouldn't it need to reach then 100M of Wii + 150M of DS?

Switch is a hybrid at $300, and a Handheld at $200. How are you even questioning this? The Lite has no way to play on a TV. 

No, for obvious reasons that others have already pointed out. 

So lite alone would have to sell 150M to prove there was no contraction against DS or at least 75M against 3DS (that you said wasn't a contraction but just people that didn't buy because at the start it was expensive and without games, which in the case of PS3 didn't prevent they to recover momentum when cutting price and making more games).



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