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What do you think?

I would be fine with that 19 24.05%
 
It's irrelevant 9 11.39%
 
That looks pretty bad 15 18.99%
 
AMAZING! 8 10.13%
 
That s**t looks awful! 12 15.19%
 
Did we go back to the 90's? 3 3.80%
 
V for Vendetta 3 3.80%
 
Would rather have it look like a box 4 5.06%
 
I just threw up in my mouth a little bit 5 6.33%
 
Should continue to stack ... 1 1.27%
 
Total:79
Lafiel said:
Pemalite said:

Either way. Point is... PC definitely has faster SSD's than the Playstation 5, thus rendering Cerny's prior statement as blatantly false and misleading.

the point of "multiple SSDs are faster than 1!" isn't a particularly insightful or relevant one in my opinion

Who cares?

There are PCI-E 16x drives that don't use multiple nvme drives that use MLC or SLC NAND (With some newer ones opting for TLC), they have been around, albeit hard to come by even in enthusiast circles.
I.E.
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/66929/liqid-teases-pcie-4-x16-ssd-32tb-up-24gb-sec/index.html

DonFerrari said:

Sorry Pemalite, I value your knowledge a lot, but you are really going out of your way to not accept defeat. Everybody and Cerny is talking about regular and available to customer solution. If you so much want to make exotic solutions, multiple cards, etc you can get above that.

Cerny never stated any such thing. - So it's a little disingenuous to imply that he did.

DonFerrari said:

As I said before Cerny wasn't lying (and you were also wrong on the fact that they wouldn't put SSD, then that if they put it would be small because of price, and now that it wouldn't be that fast) but certainly not being full transparent and also hyperbolic.

There are PCI-E 3.0 x16 drives faster than what the Playstation 5 and Scarlett will have. Evidence has been provided.

Price isn't a factor as Cerny never mentioned any of that, it's that simple.

DonFerrari said:

If their solution was faster than any other common solution available for consumer then he wasn't lying, although if you want to be argumentative just to win you can try and go that solutions for super computers would be much above whatever Sony would use. Still that would be irrelevant, because only the craziest would expect a console costing 500 to be more powerful than anything possible on PCs or supercomputer. You don't need to bring very expensive solutions to say Cerny was lying.

Cerny made zero mention of the audience/market or even price in question when making his statements.



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With an 8TB SSD like this in the PS5, who won't be able to resist, no matter the price or case design?

https://www.pcgamesn.com/gigabyte/aorus-aic-pcie-4-ssd-8-tb

"Gigabyte has announced the world’s fastest and largest PCIe 4.0 SSD, the Aorus AIC, during its Aorus Xtreme Power event at Computex 2019. With 8TB of space on a single add-in card, you’ll never have to worry about your Steam library crippling your PC ever again. Oh and did I mention it runs up to 15,000MB/s read and 15,200MB/s write? Damn."

"And there’s certainly a debate surrounding whether a drive comprised of multiple smaller SSDs should be considered as a single storage drive itself. But if Nvidia can claim the “world’s largest GPU” for a bunch of GPUs strung together via switches and interconnects, I suppose Gigabyte also gets a pass."

"The CEO of Phison, K.S Pau, also made an appearance at the event touting the world’s first PCIe 4.0 x4 SSD for use with AMD’s Ryzen 3000 platform: the Phison PS5016-E16. That drive won’t max out the bandwidth available, managing 5,000MB/s read and 4,400GB/s write, but Pau teased a new controller capable of 6,500MB/s arriving in Q1, 2020."

http://www.vgchartz.com/article/441074/sony-job-listing-originally-stated-the-ps5-will-be-the-worlds-fastest-console/

Last edited by EricHiggin - on 25 October 2019

Pemalite said:
Lafiel said:

the point of "multiple SSDs are faster than 1!" isn't a particularly insightful or relevant one in my opinion

Who cares?

There are PCI-E 16x drives that don't use multiple nvme drives that use MLC or SLC NAND (With some newer ones opting for TLC), they have been around, albeit hard to come by even in enthusiast circles.
I.E.
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/66929/liqid-teases-pcie-4-x16-ssd-32tb-up-24gb-sec/index.html

DonFerrari said:

Sorry Pemalite, I value your knowledge a lot, but you are really going out of your way to not accept defeat. Everybody and Cerny is talking about regular and available to customer solution. If you so much want to make exotic solutions, multiple cards, etc you can get above that.

Cerny never stated any such thing. - So it's a little disingenuous to imply that he did.

DonFerrari said:

As I said before Cerny wasn't lying (and you were also wrong on the fact that they wouldn't put SSD, then that if they put it would be small because of price, and now that it wouldn't be that fast) but certainly not being full transparent and also hyperbolic.

There are PCI-E 3.0 x16 drives faster than what the Playstation 5 and Scarlett will have. Evidence has been provided.

Price isn't a factor as Cerny never mentioned any of that, it's that simple.

DonFerrari said:

If their solution was faster than any other common solution available for consumer then he wasn't lying, although if you want to be argumentative just to win you can try and go that solutions for super computers would be much above whatever Sony would use. Still that would be irrelevant, because only the craziest would expect a console costing 500 to be more powerful than anything possible on PCs or supercomputer. You don't need to bring very expensive solutions to say Cerny was lying.

Cerny made zero mention of the audience/market or even price in question when making his statements.

The thing is, we don't know what Cerny actually said, as it was never properly quoted, just commented by the article writer using him own (writer words).

This is what he wrote: At the moment, Sony won’t cop to exact details about the SSD—who makes it, whether it utilizes the new PCIe 4.0 standard—but Cerny claims that it has a raw bandwidth higher than any SSD available for PCs.

There is no direct quote to Cerny actual speech, just a comment about what he said.

The writer said he claims it's higher than any SSD available for PCs, but what did Cerny actually said to lead to that comment?

The comment is vague and can be understood in many ways, for example the way it sounds to me is that he means a single SSD and that's available to anyone because the writer says PC.

Until we have a proper direct quote of what exactly wording Cerny actually used my guess is as good as yours, vague.



EricHiggin said:

"The CEO of Phison, K.S Pau, also made an appearance at the event touting the world’s first PCIe 4.0 x4 SSD for use with AMD’s Ryzen 3000 platform: the Phison PS5016-E16.

Here we go folks!



BraLoD said:
EricHiggin said:

"The CEO of Phison, K.S Pau, also made an appearance at the event touting the world’s first PCIe 4.0 x4 SSD for use with AMD’s Ryzen 3000 platform: the Phison PS5016-E16.

Here we go folks!

Holy crap. I totally missed that code. 

Good eye!

PS5016-E16. If this is just coincidence, it's one hell of a coincidence. lol

https://www.anandtech.com/show/14449/phisons-ps5016e16-ps5019e19-the-worlds-first-pcie-40-ssd-controllers

Last edited by EricHiggin - on 26 October 2019

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EricHiggin said:
BraLoD said:

Here we go folks!

Holy crap. I totally missed that code. 

Good eye!

PS5016-E16. If this is just coincidence, it's one hell of a coincidence. lol



BraLoD said:
EricHiggin said:

Holy crap. I totally missed that code. 

Good eye!

PS5016-E16. If this is just coincidence, it's one hell of a coincidence. lol



EricHiggin said:

"And there’s certainly a debate surrounding whether a drive comprised of multiple smaller SSDs should be considered as a single storage drive itself. But if Nvidia can claim the “world’s largest GPU” for a bunch of GPUs strung together via switches and interconnects, I suppose Gigabyte also gets a pass."

Fundamentally that is how an SSD works. - A heap of small memory chips working together.

Multiple SSD's just expands upon that concept by having discreet packaged groupings of memory chips working together.

BraLoD said:

The thing is, we don't know what Cerny actually said, as it was never properly quoted, just commented by the article writer using him own (writer words).

This is what he wrote: At the moment, Sony won’t cop to exact details about the SSD—who makes it, whether it utilizes the new PCIe 4.0 standard—but Cerny claims that it has a raw bandwidth higher than any SSD available for PCs.

There is no direct quote to Cerny actual speech, just a comment about what he said.

The writer said he claims it's higher than any SSD available for PCs, but what did Cerny actually said to lead to that comment?

If that is indeed the case, then I subtract my complaint against Cerny and place it towards the article writer instead.




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Pemalite said:
EricHiggin said:

"And there’s certainly a debate surrounding whether a drive comprised of multiple smaller SSDs should be considered as a single storage drive itself. But if Nvidia can claim the “world’s largest GPU” for a bunch of GPUs strung together via switches and interconnects, I suppose Gigabyte also gets a pass."

Fundamentally that is how an SSD works. - A heap of small memory chips working together.

Multiple SSD's just expands upon that concept by having discreet packaged groupings of memory chips working together.

Had to add that quote from the article since there was earlier discussion about single vs multiple drives. How it's accomplished really doesn't matter as long as it meets the overall design criteria and is cost effective.



EricHiggin said:
BraLoD said:

Here we go folks!

Holy crap. I totally missed that code. 

Good eye!

PS5016-E16. If this is just coincidence, it's one hell of a coincidence. lol

https://www.anandtech.com/show/14449/phisons-ps5016e16-ps5019e19-the-worlds-first-pcie-40-ssd-controllers

Sorry to burst your bubble, but it is just a coincidence:

https://www.anandtech.com/show/12292/phison-at-ces-2018-thunderbolt-ssds-secondgen-nvme-controllers

Phison's second generation of NVMe SSD controllers has been on the roadmap for quite a while, but now the products are starting to become a reality. The PS5008-E8 and its DRAMless -E8T variant are Phison's solution for the emerging low-end NVMe product segment. These controllers will be used with 3D TLC NAND flash memory, and their performance will be limited by the use of a PCIe 3 x2 interface instead of the x4 interface used by high-end NVMe drives.

Phison's PS5012-E12 controller is their high-end replacement for the current E7 controller, and it promises to bring much higher performance: over 3GB/s sequential transfers when paired with 64L 3D TLC NAND.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/13080/the-phison-e12-nvme-ssd-controller-preview

https://www.anandtech.com/show/9982/ces-2016-phison-previews-upcoming-ssd-controllers

For 2016, the mainstay of Phison's controller lineup will continue to be the PS3110-S10, which has been used in drives sold by OCZ/Toshiba, Mushkin, Corsair, Zotac, Patriot, Kingston, PNY and others, and paired with both TLC and MLC NAND.

The much more exciting product is Phison's PCIe 3.0 x4 NVMe SSD controller, the PS5007-E7. The E7 controller is very close to launch and we've already seen numerous product announcements based on that platform.

Last edited by Conina - on 27 October 2019