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What do you think?

I would be fine with that 19 24.05%
 
It's irrelevant 9 11.39%
 
That looks pretty bad 15 18.99%
 
AMAZING! 8 10.13%
 
That s**t looks awful! 12 15.19%
 
Did we go back to the 90's? 3 3.80%
 
V for Vendetta 3 3.80%
 
Would rather have it look like a box 4 5.06%
 
I just threw up in my mouth a little bit 5 6.33%
 
Should continue to stack ... 1 1.27%
 
Total:79
EricHiggin said:
KratosLives said:
Looks cool. I want to see it standing vertically with the "V" 5 facing.

While they're at it, take the "V" 5 facing console that's supported on a clear stand, and have a female place the "V" facing upside down (^) while standing directly behind it, who also just so happens to be the perfect height so that the top of the console starts at her waist.

Wtf man...



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I've been looking for a handy spot to put my iron so I'm all for it. I do worry, though, that'd I'd be suspicious of the two of them locked in that position for hours at a time. Something's sure to be going on when electronics snuggle like that.



Pemalite said:
EricHiggin said:

Pricing is a given though. They may not have talked about pricing here, but it's not like it doesn't apply. It certainly won't be free.

Pricing is irrelevant to the discussion. Stop trying to shift the goal post.
Sony made a blanket statement, price had nothing to do with it, statement was false... That is all there is to it, they deserve the criticism for it.

EricHiggin said:

I can only assume you must think a two model launch is what PS should do, because otherwise based on your pricing, a single unit launch leads to something like this gen's sales flipping, and PS5 becoming the XB1, especially come the XB mid gen upgrade.

I haven't made any assertions in regards to Sony's launch strategy or the number of consoles they should launch or their pricing structure.

So how you came up with those assumptions beats me.

EricHiggin said:

If hardware is much more important than lot's of high quality AAA games to play on it, then I guess the more expensive the console the better, because poor sales will lead to less, lower quality games.

Some of my favorite consoles were the most powerful for any given console generation.
And they may have had less volume of games, but they also had some of my favorite games of all time.

I will happily take 1 super high quality game that defies expectations and has me engrossed for months/years on end than a dozen games which are forgettable.

The Nintendo 64 and Original Xbox are a couple of examples.

Again, the sales of a console isn't my problem, it's the companies who produce that hardware that are trying to turn a profit... Problem.

EricHiggin said:

A $1,000 PS5 will not be like PS3 where it makes a comeback, even if it's like PS3 and has prior gen hardware in there, which would have to mean a special high end unit, or the dumbest move they've made since PS3. Two or three years of a $1,000 PS5 and then a $400-$500 slim with no more BC isn't going to fly again if they try it.

In a single unit launch, there is no way PS5 costs more than $500.

I never made the statement that a console should be $1,000, $1,500, $400, $500. - So your ramblings on price is again... Irrelevant. - I don't care about the price.

I will buy whatever console is the most compelling, I couldn't give two rats about the brand name on the front of it, I am a PC gamer primarily.

Yet so far all PS has officially said is that it's using PCIe 4.0 and gave an example of how much faster it can be in one situation. You went on to guess at what that could mean in terms of what else may be part of the SSD setup, even though PS has said nothing about that. Is that adding extra relevant information based on separate knowledge of what SSD's are capable of, or is that also shifting goal posts?

As for the pricing I'm mostly just pointing out that you're not taking everything into account that you would need to based on separate console pricing knowledge. The price of the console will matter as to how they decide on what tech to use and how much they could customize it. If you don't base it off a likely price, then we might as well guess it'll be $1,000 and that could very well likely mean that the SSD could have customizations, and could be as fast as the fastest consumer PC's out there. Like you and I said though, that's not going to happen, and that's because the PS5 isn't going to be $1,000. Unless of course there is a top tier model that uses very similar tech, just beefed up like the rest of the components would be to justify the higher price.

We're both just putting separate relevant points forward from what I can see. 



BraLoD said:
EricHiggin said:

While they're at it, take the "V" 5 facing console that's supported on a clear stand, and have a female place the "V" facing upside down (^) while standing directly behind it, who also just so happens to be the perfect height so that the top of the console starts at her waist.

Wtf man...

Don't tell me you don't see it. Designers do that kind of thing all the time, and hide it pretty well sometimes. Then again, some people look at random blobs and see everyday structured objects, so who knows?

super_etecoon said:
I've been looking for a handy spot to put my iron so I'm all for it. I do worry, though, that'd I'd be suspicious of the two of them locked in that position for hours at a time. Something's sure to be going on when electronics snuggle like that.

9 months later you might have yourself a PS5 Pro.

Last edited by EricHiggin - on 21 October 2019

Doesn't bother me, but I would prefer that they just added 2 more layers to the PS4 Pro.



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drkohler said:
Pemalite said:

Sony made a blanket statement, price had nothing to do with it, statement was false... That is all there is to it, they deserve the criticism for it.

Oh wow, you actually know Sony's exact ssd solution. Tell us a little bit more since you know its speed. Tell us also how hot it gets while streaming and how fast it is after 10 minutes of streaming...

Sony is leveraging AMD's technology, from that it becomes extremely easy.

Lafiel said:
Pemalite said:

Sony made a blanket statement, price had nothing to do with it, statement was false... That is all there is to it, they deserve the criticism for it.

none of your explanations why you think this is a fact has been satisfactory

Sony certainly made a broad statement.
And my explanations have been more than satisfactory, if you would like me to elaborate on a specific point, I would be more than happy to oblige if need be.

EricHiggin said:

Yet so far all PS has officially said is that it's using PCIe 4.0 and gave an example of how much faster it can be in one situation. You went on to guess at what that could mean in terms of what else may be part of the SSD setup, even though PS has said nothing about that. Is that adding extra relevant information based on separate knowledge of what SSD's are capable of, or is that also shifting goal posts?

I am taking issue with the statement Sony made. Nothing else.
So no, I am not shifting any goal posts.

EricHiggin said:

As for the pricing I'm mostly just pointing out that you're not taking everything into account that you would need to based on separate console pricing knowledge. The price of the console will matter as to how they decide on what tech to use and how much they could customize it. If you don't base it off a likely price, then we might as well guess it'll be $1,000 and that could very well likely mean that the SSD could have customizations, and could be as fast as the fastest consumer PC's out there. Like you and I said though, that's not going to happen, and that's because the PS5 isn't going to be $1,000. Unless of course there is a top tier model that uses very similar tech, just beefed up like the rest of the components would be to justify the higher price.

We're both just putting separate relevant points forward from what I can see. 

Everything else is irrelevant and isn't what I am arguing for or against. - I am arguing against Sony's statement, not it's damn price.



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Pemalite said:
drkohler said:

Oh wow, you actually know Sony's exact ssd solution. Tell us a little bit more since you know its speed. Tell us also how hot it gets while streaming and how fast it is after 10 minutes of streaming...

Sony is leveraging AMD's technology, from that it becomes extremely easy.

If you know that there was a PC SSD available when the statement was made that was faster than whatever can possibly be in the PS5 explain it.

Earlier you said: "PCI-E 4.0 NVMe drives will theoretically top out at around 8GB/s of sequential reads, which is likely what the Playstation 5 will have"

"most SSD setups today top out at around 4GB/s thanks to PCI-E 3.0 bandwidth limitations."

So can you provide an example of an SSD available for PC's before April 16th with equal to or higher than 8GB/s sequential read?

Your points were RAID and PCI-E 4.0 x16, both of which have been shown to be irrelevant to the point made. After which you've just made vague statements. So just provide the actual evidence rather than saying "It's easy to work out".

It may be a vague marketing statement without much real substance, but unless you can actually show an SSD available for consumer PC's at the time the statement was made you can't call it a blatant lie.

Link a product.



Barkley said:
Pemalite said:

Sony is leveraging AMD's technology, from that it becomes extremely easy.

If you know that there was a PC SSD available when the statement was made that was faster than whatever can possibly be in the PS5 explain it.

Earlier you said: "PCI-E 4.0 NVMe drives will theoretically top out at around 8GB/s of sequential reads, which is likely what the Playstation 5 will have"

"most SSD setups today top out at around 4GB/s thanks to PCI-E 3.0 bandwidth limitations."

So can you provide an example of an SSD available for PC's before April 16th with equal to or higher than 8GB/s sequential read?

Your points were RAID and PCI-E 4.0 x16, both of which have been shown to be irrelevant to the point made. After which you've just made vague statements. So just provide the actual evidence rather than saying "It's easy to work out".

It may be a vague marketing statement without much real substance, but unless you can actually show an SSD available for consumer PC's at the time the statement was made you can't call it a blatant lie.

Link a product.

I have explained it in my prior post. It's called using a PCI-E 3.0 card with the full compliment of 16x PCI-E lanes for a total of 16GB/s of bandwidth.
I suggest you go back and re-read that post rather than making me repeat myself.




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Pemalite said:

I have explained it in my prior post. It's called using a PCI-E 3.0 card with the full compliment of 16x PCI-E lanes for a total of 16GB/s of bandwidth.
I suggest you go back and re-read that post rather than making me repeat myself.

then I'm sure you won't have trouble to link a consumer product with these theoretical specifications (available at the time Cerny made his statement)

bonus points if you also provide a review that shows the practically available bandwidth



Lafiel said:
Pemalite said:

I have explained it in my prior post. It's called using a PCI-E 3.0 card with the full compliment of 16x PCI-E lanes for a total of 16GB/s of bandwidth.
I suggest you go back and re-read that post rather than making me repeat myself.

then I'm sure you won't have trouble to link a consumer product with these theoretical specifications (available at the time Cerny made his statement)

bonus points if you also provide a review that shows the practically available bandwidth

Won't you also ask proof that it was a common setup available instead of an exotic used by 0,0001% of users?



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