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Hiku said:
Deeds said:

Their detailed analysis of sales data was behind a paywall, not the sales numbers itself. Hiding the sales numbers at the time they did it was suspicious. Who cares anyway, Media Create is now dead and irrelevant (they will not be missed) Everyone is looking at Famitsu.

I know. They have other data tied to their services. As does NPD, on top of the ones they provide for free (sales rankings).
Now their 'most accurate' sales data is tied to the rest. They built up that reputation, and get customers from it.

This may give an incentive for Famitsu to follow suit though.

I think it will, sadly. Up until three weeks ago, GFK/Ukie used to post the top 20 games in UK (even though it was just the ranking) for free, but now you need to have a membership to have access to it.



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LudicrousSpeed said:
JRPGfan said:

NPD doesnt show how many played it via 1$ for a year, on gamepass.
However my thinking is, more than Xbox is probably comfortable with..... didnt buy the new Gears game, but played it via gamepass.

Xbox probably made huge losses on Gears (spending on production > sales + gamepass revenue generated).

Also apparently 5 weeks later on, its almost out of the top20 most played on xbox.
This is unusual for a Gears of War game, they usually have good legs, and staying power.... this one seems to have fizzled out quicker.

I stopped reading at $1/year GamePass. You’re either wildly ignorant about GamePass or exaggerating greatly, either way not worth a serious reply.

https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-get-xbox-game-pass-for-free-for-up-to-three-years-ultimate-deal/

Here's how to save up to $360 on Xbox Game Pass over 3 years

If you follow these steps, you can turn your paid Xbox Live Gold subscription into up to 36 months of Xbox Game Pass Ultimate for $1.

^ title of CNN article.

And it works, Ive "heard" from youtube personalities, on the xbox side, that have used this trick.
Basically every xbox guy in the "know", out there has this.

So what I said that 1$ I ment it.

Your ignoreing me, because of something "real" that alot of people took advantage of?
What? what kinda twisted logic is that.



JRPGfan said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

I stopped reading at $1/year GamePass. You’re either wildly ignorant about GamePass or exaggerating greatly, either way not worth a serious reply.

https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-get-xbox-game-pass-for-free-for-up-to-three-years-ultimate-deal/

Here's how to save up to $360 on Xbox Game Pass over 3 years

If you follow these steps, you can turn your paid Xbox Live Gold subscription into up to 36 months of Xbox Game Pass Ultimate for $1.

^ title of CNN article.

And it works, Ive "heard" from youtube personalities, on the xbox side, that have used this trick.
Basically every xbox guy in the "know", out there has this.

So what I said that 1$ I ment it.

Your ignoreing me, because of something "real" that alot of people took advantage of?
What? what kinda twisted logic is that.

I used this trick myself. I already had 3 years of Xbox Live Gold thanks to Microsoft Rewards. When they had the $1 deal for Game Pass Ultimate all my Xbox Live Gold months were instantly upgraded. 



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JRPGfan said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

I stopped reading at $1/year GamePass. You’re either wildly ignorant about GamePass or exaggerating greatly, either way not worth a serious reply.

https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-get-xbox-game-pass-for-free-for-up-to-three-years-ultimate-deal/

Here's how to save up to $360 on Xbox Game Pass over 3 years

If you follow these steps, you can turn your paid Xbox Live Gold subscription into up to 36 months of Xbox Game Pass Ultimate for $1.

^ title of CNN article.

And it works, Ive "heard" from youtube personalities, on the xbox side, that have used this trick.
Basically every xbox guy in the "know", out there has this.

So what I said that 1$ I ment it.

Your ignoreing me, because of something "real" that alot of people took advantage of?
What? what kinda twisted logic is that.

Well for starters I’d question why you’re wasting time watching Xbox YT personalities. But you don’t need to speak of this promotion as if you have to be in a secret club or “in the know” to have taken advantage. Microsoft advertised it and promoted it on the dashboard. It was a phenomenal value especially if you had Gold anyway. Idk anyone who didn’t take advantage of it. I took advantage on two different consoles in my house.

But that’s not exactly a year of Gamepass for $1. Which is what your post made it seem like. It’s a month of Gamepass for $1 and then you can convert everything into Ultimate. 

I ignored the rest of your post because there’s no point arguing with someone who is coming from a place of pure ignorance on the matter. Plus actually reading it later, it’s just opinionated nonsense about Microsoft revenue disappointment. So you’re saying they ran this amazing promo but then are disappointed people used it? Interesting. Seems legit.



Deeds said:
jason1637 said:
I saw 49 new replies and thought we got hardware numbers but its just consipitacy theories.

A consipitacy? What's that?

Conspiracy is what I meant. Spellcheck changed it XD.



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Deeds said:
Dulfite said:

Wait, are you suggesting Sony doesn't want data to be revealed showing how they are selling compared to Nintendo? And that Ps5 will sell less than Switch 1?

Just wanting clarification, not implying anything.

Yes and yes. First of all, the discussion about Sony "shutting down" NPD and Media create are not solely my idea. This has been discussed on Resetera and even Neogaf way back in the day. Second of all, even during the dark days of Wii U, Nintendo STILL showed sales data, unlike Microsoft who has gone radio silent on Xbox One hardware, and Sony going silent on the Vita sales. And I find it funny because it wont mean much in the end. Shutting up Media create did NOT save the PS4 in Japan. Being silent on Vita did not stop it from BOMBING. It also shows how pathetic and immature the leadership at Sony and Microsoft are.

Third of all I think the Switch is going to outsell the PS4 and the PS5 will sell LESS than the PS4. That's my prediction.

While I'm not sold on the idea of Sony being the cause for media going so private.... I agree with everything else. Nintendo has been quite forthcoming when it comes to sales numbers, even when they sucked absolute ass. They always put the numbers out there. Sony... Microsoft... as soon as a product of theirs doesnt lighte the world ablaze, go completely silent to the point that a site like this one has to try to come up with the numbers... and I've ALWAYS thought the vita is severely over tracked here, I think the thing has sat at around 12 or 13 million max... and the x1 too, low 40 millions... I also agree 100% that the ps5 will sell less than the ps4.... and the switch may outsell both..... COMBINED, all said and done. But..... having said all that, I just cant really convince myself that Sony is that concerned over the the ps4 or ps5 Japan sales to the point that they somehow silence a sales reporting firm.... why bother when famitsu still does and is basically the same exact shit.



JRPGfan said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

I stopped reading at $1/year GamePass. You’re either wildly ignorant about GamePass or exaggerating greatly, either way not worth a serious reply.

https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-get-xbox-game-pass-for-free-for-up-to-three-years-ultimate-deal/

Here's how to save up to $360 on Xbox Game Pass over 3 years

If you follow these steps, you can turn your paid Xbox Live Gold subscription into up to 36 months of Xbox Game Pass Ultimate for $1.

^ title of CNN article.

And it works, Ive "heard" from youtube personalities, on the xbox side, that have used this trick.
Basically every xbox guy in the "know", out there has this.

So what I said that 1$ I ment it.

Your ignoreing me, because of something "real" that alot of people took advantage of?
What? what kinda twisted logic is that.

"Damn" I wish I'd have taken advantage of this "deal". That's a "steal" for such an amazing "bargain". I need to pay "more" attention to what's going on so I can "get" gamepass for "$1" for three years..... I have to "ask" though..... what's up with all the "quotation marks"? 



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SwitchUP said:
Deeds said:

Yes and yes. First of all, the discussion about Sony "shutting down" NPD and Media create are not solely my idea. This has been discussed on Resetera and even Neogaf way back in the day. Second of all, even during the dark days of Wii U, Nintendo STILL showed sales data, unlike Microsoft who has gone radio silent on Xbox One hardware, and Sony going silent on the Vita sales. And I find it funny because it wont mean much in the end. Shutting up Media create did NOT save the PS4 in Japan. Being silent on Vita did not stop it from BOMBING. It also shows how pathetic and immature the leadership at Sony and Microsoft are.

Third of all I think the Switch is going to outsell the PS4 and the PS5 will sell LESS than the PS4. That's my prediction.

While I'm not sold on the idea of Sony being the cause for media going so private.... I agree with everything else. Nintendo has been quite forthcoming when it comes to sales numbers, even when they sucked absolute ass. They always put the numbers out there. Sony... Microsoft... as soon as a product of theirs doesnt lighte the world ablaze, go completely silent to the point that a site like this one has to try to come up with the numbers... and I've ALWAYS thought the vita is severely over tracked here, I think the thing has sat at around 12 or 13 million max... and the x1 too, low 40 millions... I also agree 100% that the ps5 will sell less than the ps4.... and the switch may outsell both..... COMBINED, all said and done. But..... having said all that, I just cant really convince myself that Sony is that concerned over the the ps4 or ps5 Japan sales to the point that they somehow silence a sales reporting firm.... why bother when famitsu still does and is basically the same exact shit.

That's some...  bold prediction right there.



trunkswd said:
Dulfite said:

Why is this? Like what is their benefit? This is like polling companies refusing to release data on which politician gets what percentage. Nonsense!

Companies pay to have access to NPD figures. If they get released or leaked why would people pay for the figures. That is my thinking anyway. 

This is 100% true but still doesn't explain the complete lock down of numbers.

The NPD reports that companies pay for are huge.  The volume of data and analysis is just massive.  The top 10 list is just a tiny, and somewhat irrelevant sliver, of what NPD reports cover and are valued for.  By that I mean no company is paying $10k per month just for top 10 lists.  It's the deep dive they pay for.  The return sales for warranty information they pay for.  The trending analysis they pay for.  They predictive analytics they pay for. The regional data they pay for.  They tie-ins with marketing budgets to measure ROI they pay for.  The individual store POS to stock level data they pay for.  It's the retailer vs retailer data they pay for.  It's the weekly (not just monthly) data they pay for.

This whole hide the monthly top 10 from consumers bit because it would devalue the overall product....?  Like an NPD subscription itself, I don't buy that.



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