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CuCabeludo said:
Do people still use Facebook or Twitter? Haven't touched those virtual shit holes since 2009

Wait, you actually touched them? That's fucking gross.



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VAMatt said:

Are you seriously claiming that state-controlled media is "proper journalism" that "filters out facts from all the nonsense"?  If you truly believe that, I guess the state control is working exactly as intended.  

Social media is not necessarily a good way to get news, that's true.  But, getting it from government controlled sources is certainly no better.  

Yes, that's what I claim. When a story is in the making, they make sure to use words like 'allegedly' and 'supposedly' to create a clear distinction between facts and assumptions.

The standards for journalism in Germany and Austria are probably higher than in most other industrialized nations, because the two countries came from a history of nazi propaganda, so there was a lot more incentive to regulate the official national broadcasters in a way that prevents a repeat of media control.

An important thing to note here is that last weekend a very high-ranking Austrian politician was revealed to have talked about gaining media control in Austria, namely the state-owned ORF and the biggest newspaper Kronen Zeitung. This, among other things, led to his resignation from all political functions on the following day, an end of the government coalition his political party had and the announcement of new elections in September.



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RolStoppable said:
VAMatt said:

Are you seriously claiming that state-controlled media is "proper journalism" that "filters out facts from all the nonsense"?  If you truly believe that, I guess the state control is working exactly as intended.  

Social media is not necessarily a good way to get news, that's true.  But, getting it from government controlled sources is certainly no better.  

Yes, that's what I claim. When a story is in the making, they make sure to use words like 'allegedly' and 'supposedly' to create a clear distinction between facts and assumptions.

The standards for journalism in Germany and Austria are probably higher than in most other industrialized nations, because the two countries came from a history of nazi propaganda, so there was a lot more incentive to regulate the official national broadcasters in a way that prevents a repeat of media control.

An important thing to note here is that last weekend a very high-ranking Austrian politician was revealed to have talked about gaining media control in Austria, namely the state-owned ORF and the biggest newspaper Kronen Zeitung. This, among other things, led to his resignation from all political functions on the following day, an end of the government coalition his political party had and the announcement of new elections in September.

Sounds like Germany is a great exception but have you considered that this too is a bad thing in one way, they are sure to avoid certain topics that might give context to other situations or am I mistaken?

Ireland is pretty good with RTE news, It hasn't reached BBC levels of one sidedness yet but I can see the slip happening slowly but surely. We have an openly gay leader and yet the news remains mostly impartial to all sides of ours and other nations politcal leanings. Yet I don't know if that is me viewing it from within the system and perhaps I have a bias that excludes me from seeing something that an outaider could see. Have you impartially looked at German news media, in the 21st century and noticed any decline in integrity? Are you familar with the UK's BBC?



 

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RolStoppable said:
VAMatt said:

Are you seriously claiming that state-controlled media is "proper journalism" that "filters out facts from all the nonsense"?  If you truly believe that, I guess the state control is working exactly as intended.  

Social media is not necessarily a good way to get news, that's true.  But, getting it from government controlled sources is certainly no better.  

Yes, that's what I claim. When a story is in the making, they make sure to use words like 'allegedly' and 'supposedly' to create a clear distinction between facts and assumptions.

The standards for journalism in Germany and Austria are probably higher than in most other industrialized nations, because the two countries came from a history of nazi propaganda, so there was a lot more incentive to regulate the official national broadcasters in a way that prevents a repeat of media control.

An important thing to note here is that last weekend a very high-ranking Austrian politician was revealed to have talked about gaining media control in Austria, namely the state-owned ORF and the biggest newspaper Kronen Zeitung. This, among other things, led to his resignation from all political functions on the following day, an end of the government coalition his political party had and the announcement of new elections in September.

Much of the important news is about government.  Expecting the government to accurately report stuff about the government sounds much like what we have here in the US where cops investigate themselves when they shoot people.  In other words, its ridiculous.  



John2290 said:

Sounds like Germany is a great exception but have you considered that this too is a bad thing in one way, they are sure to avoid certain topics that might give context to other situations or am I mistaken?

Ireland is pretty good with RTE news, It hasn't reached BBC levels of one sidedness yet but I can see the slip happening slowly but surely. We have an openly gay leader and yet the news remains mostly impartial to all sides of ours and other nations politcal leanings. Yet I don't know if that is me viewing it from within the system and perhaps I have a bias that excludes me from seeing something that an outaider could see. Have you impartially looked at German news media, in the 21st century and noticed any decline in integrity? Are you familar with the UK's BBC?

You'd have to name those certain topics, because I am not going to guess. I haven't come across anything that they swept under the rug, i.e. something important that was reported elsewhere, but not by them.

I am not familiar with the BBC.

VAMatt said:

Much of the important news is about government.  Expecting the government to accurately report stuff about the government sounds much like what we have here in the US where cops investigate themselves when they shoot people.  In other words, its ridiculous.  

The USA handle things differently. Even if someone felt that the broadcasters here are going too easy on certain politicians or parties, the very same channels host a multitude of satirical programs where really every politician who does stupid things gets panned. Comedians themselves have their own political views, so even there one and the same topic is made fun of from different angles. It would be pretty pathetic government control if the news were manipulated, but comedians are allowed to run loose at the same time.



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RolStoppable said:

VAMatt said:

Much of the important news is about government.  Expecting the government to accurately report stuff about the government sounds much like what we have here in the US where cops investigate themselves when they shoot people.  In other words, its ridiculous.  

The USA handle things differently. Even if someone felt that the broadcasters here are going too easy on certain politicians or parties, the very same channels host a multitude of satirical programs where really every politician who does stupid things gets panned. Comedians themselves have their own political views, so even there one and the same topic is made fun of from different angles. It would be pretty pathetic government control if the news were manipulated, but comedians are allowed to run loose at the same time.

Well, you clearly trust government. I don't know how that's possible, since every government in human history has proven to be untrustworthy.  But, you are literally saying that government keeps good tabs on government. It doesn't make any sense.  



VAMatt said:

Well, you clearly trust government. I don't know how that's possible, since every government in human history has proven to be untrustworthy.  But, you are literally saying that government keeps good tabs on government. It doesn't make any sense.  

I think you are misunderstanding. In the USA the big broadcasters are clearly affiliated with a political party. That's not the case over here, and if a political party tried to change that, there would be an uproar.

So the actual point is that state-owned broadcasters are independent and not a tool of any political party.



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RolStoppable said:
VAMatt said:

Well, you clearly trust government. I don't know how that's possible, since every government in human history has proven to be untrustworthy.  But, you are literally saying that government keeps good tabs on government. It doesn't make any sense.  

I think you are misunderstanding. In the USA the big broadcasters are clearly affiliated with a political party. That's not the case over here, and if a political party tried to change that, there would be an uproar.

So the actual point is that state-owned broadcasters are independent and not a tool of any political party.

No, that is not an accurate description of major media in the US. But, anyway, media in the US is not very good.  

OT, think about what you're saying. You are claiming that media that is controlled by the government is independent. But, by definition, it is not.  



VAMatt said:
RolStoppable said:

I think you are misunderstanding. In the USA the big broadcasters are clearly affiliated with a political party. That's not the case over here, and if a political party tried to change that, there would be an uproar.

So the actual point is that state-owned broadcasters are independent and not a tool of any political party.

No, that is not an accurate description of major media in the US. But, anyway, media in the US is not very good.  

OT, think about what you're saying. You are claiming that media that is controlled by the government is independent. But, by definition, it is not.  

State-owned isn't the same as controlled by the government.



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