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I also agree about the labels/name calling. Not everyone who has disagreed with this Epic stuff is a 'PC elitist', 'fanboy', or what have you.

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CGI-Quality said:

I don't think the Fortnite funds are the only money they have, but you're kidding yourself if you don't think that's where the majority of this comes from. Also, please don't talk to me about greed. You're supporting one rich corp. over another. They all follow a very similar pattern, obviously. The difference? Steam has not outright paid for exclusivity of games (particularly when said games are about to launch). 

Epic is simply throwing a bag of money around, while their store is as barbones as it gets. That is not 'competition'. Never mind the contradictory statements from Tim Sweeney.

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Greed is a thing but just because a company is worth billions does not mean there the greediest corp in the world. Just compare the investments these mega corps do. MS spent 30billion on a Cloud Network, they brought 6 gaming studios last year with more to come, they actually invest in innovating things like IllumiRoom, AR, Kinect, controllers etc. What has Valve done since the last 10 years? Steam Boxes? Okay that was an effort.. anything else? Thats my issue. They are taking but not giving back. Consumers dont want to see companies sit on a pile or cash, they want to see them make more, spend more method.

Instead of Valve fighting for games,  they are now making us wait for them or go somewhere else. I have options so i am okay, however what about those who have dedicated big on Steam? Well looks like another EGS account being made because of a timed deal. Atleast Steam is bringing in 30 unfinished green lit games to there library which they will be making 30% on. While EGS has games like BL3, The Outer Worlds and Metro Exodus that no one cares about.

If Epic are throwing a bag of money around, so why isnt Valve? Dont they care to keep there customers?



Azzanation said:
CGI-Quality said:

I don't think the Fortnite funds are the only money they have, but you're kidding yourself if you don't think that's where the majority of this comes from. Also, please don't talk to me about greed. You're supporting one rich corp. over another. They all follow a very similar pattern, obviously. The difference? Steam has not outright paid for exclusivity of games (particularly when said games are about to launch). 

Epic is simply throwing a bag of money around, while their store is as barbones as it gets. That is not 'competition'. Never mind the contradictory statements from Tim Sweeney.

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Greed is a thing but just because a company is worth billions does not mean there the greediest corp in the world. Just compare the investments these mega corps do. MS spent 30billion on a Cloud Network, they brought 6 gaming studios last year with more to come, they actually invest in innovating things like IllumiRoom, AR, Kinect, controllers etc. What has Valve done since the last 10 years? Steam Boxes? Okay that was an effort.. anything else? Thats my issue. They are taking but not giving back. Consumers dont want to see companies sit on a pile or cash, they want to see them make more, spend more method.

Instead of Valve fighting for games,  they are now making us wait for them or go somewhere else. I have options so i am okay, however what about those who have dedicated big on Steam? Well looks like another EGS account being made because of a timed deal. Atleast Steam is bringing in 30 unfinished green lit games to there library which they will be making 30% on. While EGS has games like BL3, The Outer Worlds and Metro Exodus that no one cares about.

If Epic are throwing a bag of money around, so why isnt Valve? Dont they care to keep there customers?

Why engage in throwing money around? It isn't as simple as that. Valve isn't making you wait. While you blame one party, and excuse the other, you make excuses for the overall problem. 



                                                                                                                                                           

CGI-Quality said:
Azzanation said:

Why engage in throwing money around? It isn't as simple as that. Valve isn't making you wait. While you blame one party, and excuse the other, you make excuses for the overall problem. 

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I do agree with you there. Its just alittle frustrating seeing these timed exclusives and as a Steam supporter for more than a decade i just want to see some sort of retaliation.. unfortunately its a crawl buisness and these things happen. I just hope Valve does some great things soon (excluding VR) because not all Steam users are going to pludge console priced dollars into accessories. 



I'm actually looking forward to Valve's new headset, as well as those controllers. The games not so much, but at least we also have Campo making their own game as well.

I'd be more happy seeing Valve do their own thing, than playing the same game EGS is, any time of day.



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The guy in this video makes a lot of sense. Not sure why this is controversial.



CGI-Quality said:

I don't think the Fortnite funds are the only money they have, but you're kidding yourself if you don't think that's where the majority of this comes from. Also, please don't talk to me about greed. You're supporting one rich corp. over another. They all follow a very similar pattern, obviously. The difference? Steam has not outright paid for exclusivity of games (particularly when said games are about to launch). 

Epic is simply throwing a bag of money around, while their store is as barbones as it gets. That is not 'competition'. Never mind the contradictory statements from Tim Sweeney.

Wether you like it or not, it is competition. As a matter of fact, it is the best kind of. Epic stirs things up and exploits Valves weakness that has been present for years.

Just splendid. After years of touting a narrow interpretation of "competition is good for business", now gamer folk believes they can define what is allowed in a clash and whats a no-no.

What you people really love to not to be aware of, a digital distribution platform isnt a service for the end user alone. Its a service to whomever wants to sell digitally distributable products. If someone comes to the conclusion that a company offers a better opportunity to do business and provides a healthier environment for their products then a choice can be made.

The difference is, Valve never needed to pay for exclusivity. They still dont. Or why are there still prominent big games released via Steam? Their pole position was unrivaled for years due to the lack of competent opponents. Why waste resources? 

Yes. Nevermind whatever Sweeney once said. Its of no importance.



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Zoombael said:
CGI-Quality said:

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Wether you like it or not, it is competition. As a matter of fact, it is the best kind of. Epic stirs things up and exploits Valves weakness that has been present for years.

Just splendid. After years of touting a narrow interpretation of "competition is good for business", now gamer folk believes they can define what is allowed in a clash and whats a no-no.

What you people really love to not to be aware of, a digital distribution platform isnt a service for the end user alone. Its a service to whomever wants to sell digitally distributable products. If someone comes to the conclusion that a company offers a better opportunity to do business and provides a healthier environment for their products then a choice can be made.

The difference is, Valve never needed to pay for exclusivity. They still dont. Or why are there still prominent big games released via Steam? Their pole position was unrivaled for years due to the lack of competent opponents. Why waste resources? 

Yes. Nevermind whatever Sweeney once said. Its of no importance.

Contradictory statements are very much of importance, particularly if said company is doing exactly what they blamed another company of doing.

As far as the 'you people really love to not to be aware of' ~ nah. I know how this business works. Simply throwing bags of money around will not do any good for the PC market. Since Epic is allegedly providing a healthier environment for business, I'd like a breakdown on how. 

Valve's 'weakness' isn't their lack of exclusive buying. Even that 12% that people love to tout is much more meaningless considering the money being thrown around. Now, very few will argue that Valve could do a little more, but many will say that Epic's style isn't the best. If they were competing with an equally (or close to) competent store (without security woes, lack of features, etc...), then this would be a very different discussion. But, alas, here we are, talking about a 'competing store', in 2019, that lacks very basic things like a Shopping Cart.

As a student, I've being using the Epic launcher since 2013, so I'm not as fussed about the overall existence of it, but those 'gamer folk' you speak of make a good point to take issue.

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"what you people really ened to be aware of"

Coming from the most knowledgeable person known to man?.

No thanks, I'll take what's known over sheer arrogance any time of day. I highly value honesty and a willingness to work hard, rather than using such underhanded tactics, and simply excusing them under the petty and childish guise of "it's good competition because I'm smarter than you".

Also, coming from a guy, who doesn't bother within that realm or industry, that's not something I'd take seriously. I don't do armchair "here's the skinny" talks. It's like someone who hails from the food industry, armchairing the tv industry on what they think is best for everyone.



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CGI-Quality said:
Zoombael said:

Wether you like it or not, it is competition. As a matter of fact, it is the best kind of. Epic stirs things up and exploits Valves weakness that has been present for years.

Just splendid. After years of touting a narrow interpretation of "competition is good for business", now gamer folk believes they can define what is allowed in a clash and whats a no-no.

What you people really love to not to be aware of, a digital distribution platform isnt a service for the end user alone. Its a service to whomever wants to sell digitally distributable products. If someone comes to the conclusion that a company offers a better opportunity to do business and provides a healthier environment for their products then a choice can be made.

The difference is, Valve never needed to pay for exclusivity. They still dont. Or why are there still prominent big games released via Steam? Their pole position was unrivaled for years due to the lack of competent opponents. Why waste resources? 

Yes. Nevermind whatever Sweeney once said. Its of no importance.

Contradictory statements are very much of importance, particularly if said company is doing exactly what they blamed another company of doing.

As far as the 'you people really love to not to be aware of' ~ nah. I know how this business works. Simply throwing bags of money around will not do any good for the PC market. Since Epic is allegedly providing a healthier environment for business, I'd like a breakdown on how. 

Valve's 'weakness' isn't their lack of exclusive buying. Even that 12% that people love to tout is much more meaningless considering the money being thrown around. Now, very few will argue that Valve could do a little more, but many will say that Epic's style isn't the best. If they were competing with an equally (or close to) competent store (without security woes, lack of features, etc...), then this would be a very different discussion. But, alas, here we are, talking about a 'competing store', in 2019, that lacks very basic things like a Shopping Cart.

As a student, I've being using the Epic launcher since 2013, so I'm not as fussed about the overall existence of it, but those 'gamer folk' you speak of make a good point to take issue.

Why is it so important for the subject at hand what Sweeney supposedly once said?

If you insist on weaving his words into the topic, then it should be done properly. His exact words in context. Im saying this because wherever i see this particular part come up details are missing, let alone a source provided.

I wasnt specific about Valves weakspot. I didnt mention 'not buying exclusives'. In the contrary, i said they dont need to. I also made no mention of percentages.

You know how this business works, but Epics longterm intention eludes you? You think simply copying Steam would do the trick? Screw price level even more, going even lower than Valve, and abandon the underlying motivation of countering a detrimental trend? Something CDP and e.g. Nintendos Iwata adressed and warned of in the past...

A very many would argue that Valve would ve to do a lot more than just a little to make up for the mess they willfully co-created.

The uproar this pseudo exclusivity creates is hypocritical. There is no hardware barrier. Its just another application for an open platform. Why arent people mad about Steam exclusives? Why dont they review bomb the hell out of any recent game by publishers that decided against EGS? What about my freedom of choice, huh? Why should i feel inclined to accept the company that loves to focus on trivial things, not presenting the opportunity to give my money to the one which is hellbend on supporting - directly and indirectly, short- and longterm - the creators of the products i actually buy and consume!

"Since Epic is allegedly providing a healthier environment for business, I'd like a breakdown on how."

I could do that. However, i never expressed it as a fact.

Let me rephrase:

My view on Epic was once very negative (Fortnite etc.), but now i must commend them for their boldness in taking on this behemoth task, and that is not throwing another store launcher into the fray trying to cash in while others do the bulk of the work including taking the full brunt of risky business. Their goal is much grander and they still have some distance to cover.

This new quote system is a nono... and what is this pesky little furry thing barking up my leg. Shu Shu, away with you! /punt



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