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People underestimate the explosion of violence in 2020 (and presumably 2021) because of the "mostly peaceful protests" meme as CNN has put it. Police were eating donuts while anarchists & BLM were given control of inner cities to attack the working and middle class.

The number of murders in the United States jumped by nearly 30% in 2020 compared with the previous year in the largest single-year increase ever recorded in the country, according to official FBI statistics released Monday.

The data shows 21,570 homicides in the U.S. in 2020, which is a staggering 4,901 more than in 2019. The tally makes clear — in concrete terms — just how violent last year was.

https://www.npr.org/2021/09/27/1040904770/fbi-data-murder-increase-2020?t=1637647137190



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numberwang said:

People underestimate the explosion of violence in 2020 (and presumably 2021) because of the "mostly peaceful protests" meme as CNN has put it. Police were eating donuts while anarchists & BLM were given control of inner cities to attack the working and middle class.

The number of murders in the United States jumped by nearly 30% in 2020 compared with the previous year in the largest single-year increase ever recorded in the country, according to official FBI statistics released Monday.

The data shows 21,570 homicides in the U.S. in 2020, which is a staggering 4,901 more than in 2019. The tally makes clear — in concrete terms — just how violent last year was.

https://www.npr.org/2021/09/27/1040904770/fbi-data-murder-increase-2020?t=1637647137190

Can you show me where this extra 30% homicides were linked to BLM protests? Because I know another major life altering event that happened in 2020 and 2021 which I would bet can also explain an increase in crime. 



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thismeintiel said:

Lol, I don't need to save face.  Especially for someone who labels a group of people making their own health decision, stupid.  Hmm, does that area of the world have some point in history when a group of people were labeled and ostracized?  I don't know, can't think of it right now.

The funny/sad thing is, 2/3 of your population is "vaccinated."  That's actually a really big portion.  And yet, you're still seeing spikes.  Now, your government wants to blame the unvaccinated.  Hmm, there's that singling out a certain group of people, again.  God, I wish I could remember why that seems familiar.  Anyway, if the vaccine worked like it should, why should you even care if 1/3 of your population is unvaccinated?  Let those dummies get sick or die, right?  I mean the rest of you are protected from Covid, right?  Oh, that's because the vaccine isn't working like it should and vaccinated people are still getting sick and some are even dying, either with Covid or from reactions to the vaccine.  And that's the unvaccinated people's fault?  But, I thought you were protected?  There's a logic hole there.  Of course, the government doesn't want you blaming the vaccine that was promised to be a real vaccine and inoculate you, but instead is mostly therapeutic.  And seems to wear off after a few months, hence the 3rd and 4th booster shot.  Wonder when the 5th and 6th will hit.  Man, Big Pharma, who the Left kept warning about, is making a killing off of a virus with a 98% survival rate, huh?

So, what are you going to do when nearly all the people are vaccinated and people are still getting sick and dying, like in Isreal, which is 80% vaccinated and most new cases are vaccinated people?  Arrest the 10%-15% who still refuse to get it? Maybe put them in reeducation camps?  Hmm, still ringing a bell.  Oh well.

So, yea, I will live in a country where we will try our damnedest to stay free.  Even when the cops are told to stand down and we have to defend ourselves. 

The important thing to remember about the coronavirus is that it is transmitted through air, so people do not make a health decision only for their own health. As such, acting carelessly or even recklessly will not result in only harm for the careless/reckless person, but potentially a lot of other people.

The far-right political party in Austria has proceeded to call Austria an official dictatorship now. It's not a new occurence that the far-right wants to liken its own situation to the oppression and elimination of the jews during World War II. As such, it's no surprise that you steer in that very same direction, but nobody will get put into prison or receive the death penalty in Austria for being unvaccinated. The comparison is completely and utterly ridiculous.

The reason why unvaccinated people receive the blame for the current situation is because it is their fault. While the majority of the population is vaccinated, the majority of the people currently in hospitals for COVID-19 treatment are unvaccinated. It's the situation in hospitals that is the critical measurement, because all the COVID-19 measures since the start of the pandemic have been about preventing a collapse of the healthcare system. Since it's evident that the vaccination works because the current severe corona cases of vaccinated people in hospitals go hand in hand with multiple pre-existing other conditions, it's clear beyond doubt that the unvaccinated are the reason for the critical situation in hospitals. Countries like Spain and Italy - which were hit much harder by the first wave of corona than Austria - are now doing leaps and bounds better during the current wave due to higher vaccination rates and better precautionary measures put in place.

The hospital situation could certainly be solved by denying all unvaccinated people treatment and letting them subsequently die, but that's not how things work in Austria. The reason why the current vaccines aren't as effective as other vaccinations in the past is because they are about immunizing the body against a certain protein rather than directly against the virus itself, a virus that keeps mutating. But a vaccine that wears off over time is still preferable to no vaccine, especially in a situation where so much economical damage was caused to keep the spread under control before the first vaccines were ready for the masses.

Israel's full vaccination rate sits in the mid-60s, so it's not close to 80%. But that's not as important as the booster shots playing an essential role in getting the situation under control again. Which again means that vaccination works.

The irony of unvaccinated people insisting on their freedom is that their decision against vaccination leads directly to restrictions that take away much more freedom from them. That's the logic hole that entire populations suffer from, because the vaccinated can't get their freedom fully back as long as unvaccinated people continue to remain a threat to the capacities and resources of hospitals.

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As for the inquiry of numberwang, it isn't surprising that 2021's situation is worse than 2020's despite better options against the coronavirus. The same thing has occured during the pandemic from ~100 years ago where a later wave was more dangerous than the initial one. This comes down to much more widespread carelessness among the population; during the first wave the population acted disciplined and took it serious, but after a while the threat doesn't seem so bad and people take it too easy. There have been many more large gatherings of people during 2021 than during 2020 and it's well-known how much that favors this kind of virus.



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numberwang said:
RolStoppable said:

Indeed, I could assume what you meant based on your warped views, but still... I wanted to leave you with the option to save face. The history of Austria is that there's a precedent for a mandated jab that lasted for over three decades. The result was that the illness in question was eradicated, so a mandated jab is not harmful, but the exact opposite. The reason why the anti-COVID-19 jab is planned to be mandated from February 2022 onwards is because Austria slipped into this situation due to the government banking on the population to do the right thing voluntarily. This, however, was very ill-advised considering the strong presence of the far-right in this country. Not only did the traditional far-right political party rally hard against common sense since the start of the pandemic, but another two new parties who are all about the single issue of anti-vax gained traction, one of which got into the regional parliament of Upper Austria. It's no surprise that Upper Austria with its highest concentration of stupid people is now due for the strictest measures to regain control of a situation that has spun out of control. Austrian's population at large isn't opposed to the government taking action, rather it's the opposite because the seemingly oblivious bunch of government politicians is finally starting to do their job after ignoring the analyses of experts for months.

The prerequisite to be against vaccination is the belief that vaccination is more harmful than the illness it works against, a belief that is neither based on science nor facts.

What exactly do you mean in the context of Austria when you say that those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it?

I don't go around and call anyone I disagree with far-right. I say that you are far-right based on your irrational behavior and argumentation that is basically the textbook definition of a far-right mindset. I don't expect to change your mind either, because a defining trait of the far-right is that they are so far gone that they can't be reasoned with anymore. This really shows in the discussion about Austria where you seriously believe that a mandated jab is something negative when it's realistically the only way to put a country with far too many stupid people in it back on the right track. Without the mandated jab, Austria would be bound to lock down again in 2022 because the voluntary vaccination rate is far below the necessary threshold.

As for the USA portion of the discussion, you live in a country where you personally would rather trust teenagers with assault rifles than the police to protect its citizens.

Do you have a list of scientific papers that you have published? Any advanced degree in statistic?

All cause-mortality (the only reliable and relevant indicator) has increased in most countries in 2021 compared to 2020 "despite" the miracle jabs. The US is a good example with the summer wave 2021 being much more lethal compared to summer 2020 and it looks like the upcoming winter wave 21 could be worse than winter 20. What changed in 2021? With >80% of the risk group fully vaxxed there should be nearly no Covid left as a lethal disease but the opposite is happening right now.

Last four weeks have delayed reporting so the decline at the end is not real.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

Despite the fact the jabs are effectives, new Covid variants are also more effective at infecting people resulting in the minority of unvaxxed carrying the death toll and infection rate at the same level the whole US was pre vaccine.

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Valdney said:

@Dulfite


This is a rather insightful post. I had never looked at it from that angle. There are really no solutions to anything, only trade offs. 

Now, let me ask you this about the senate : don’t you think that enacting the 17th was a bad trade off? 

I actually do wish Senators were still appointed by Governors, rather than elected by people. The Senate is all about achieving the best of the best, and Americans are too excitable to reliably vote for literally the best people for it. But I wouldn't stop there, if I could.

I wish the only election we, as people, voted in was local representation. Then those local representatives get together to vote for who should go to the state house, then those state house members vote who goes to the state senate (if your state is bicameral). Then those state senators elect state-held positions like Lt. Gov and Governor. Then the governor appoints for the for the federal House, but he/she has to appoint based on a district's political leaning, (so in my State both KC and STL would still have liberal representatives, for example, under a Republican governor within the system I described above). Then the Federal House group for each state would get together to nominate and vote on who should fill (whether re-election of the current Senator or election of one of those representatives, those are the only options) any open Senate seats for their state. If they elect one of their group to be the new Senator, then the Governor has to appoint a new representative federally.

Which makes me need to clear something up. Each level higher up can only appoint from the level below them, so no outsiders:

Local voted by people.

State House chosen by local leaders from among them.

State Senate chosen by State House from among their group. 

And so on...

Then the Senate votes for who will be in all federal positions (President/Vice President, Secretaries of whatever, Ambassadors, etc).

We do it this way with the goal of getting the best, smartest person available who works with other people well and can represent us well. Then we avoid people electing bad leaders based on stupid things like speeches, good burns, the color of their skin, their gender, or any other non relevant detail and instead have leaders elected by their peers for their abilities of the mind and nothing else.



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thismeintiel said:

Oh, don't justify it, just minimize the millions in damages the riots caused.  As well as the people who lost their lives during them.  And yes, let's just let rioters do whatever they want.  Who cares if those people actually had insurance.  Or how long it takes to get government aid, which we all pay for, including those with their houses and businesses destroyed.  Or how long and expensive civil will be.  This is not to mention the emotional and physical strain it must put on those people watching everything in their lives burn to the ground.  Who cares because we may hurt the ittle rioter scum.  Like I said, no empathy for decent citizens.  Just excuses and looking the other way for criminals.

Yea, it is about statistics.  And white people are far more likely to be shot by police officers than blacks.  Interesting since blacks make up around 50% of the violent crime.  Of course, that doesn't even take into account how many of ones that we actually get worked up about end up being justified shootings.  But, do people follow up on that.  Nope, just slap all the faces of unrepentant criminals on shirts and deify them like they are all equal.  Personally, that really dishonors the ones that weren't justified.

As far as Nick Sandman goes, that was complete bias.  It's why they were so quick to cover the story.  It feed into their narrative.  It's why they started covering the Texas school shooter...until they found out he was black.  Just the smallest amount of research and interviewing would have proven the reporting wasn't true on Sandman.  And did they give the corrections the same coverage as the initial story?  Nope.  But, that's the point.  You cover the Hell out of the initial story.  Bring on countless talking heads to talk about how horrible it and Nick was.  Wait for social media or maybe Fox News, to show the other side, which turned out to be the real story, then cover it real quick and be done.  It's no different to when newspapers run front page news for a few days, then on page 36 one day, they offer the correction.  No one reads that, and that's the point, because the initial story is in the zeitgeist.  It is completely on purpose and done with bias. 

And they settled for millions cause they knew they fucked up and may have had to pay out a larger sum.  He actually has 4 more cases going right now.  All 4 of which the judge denied their dismissal, so it will go forward.  That boy will not have to work a day in his life.  I hope the same happens with Kyle.

I imagine any dollar amount is too large, right?  You're hyperbole suggests that there was widespread destruction of livelihoods, but the reality was that damage over the summer only represented 0.0005% of the US's GDP, and most of it was looting and vandalism.  $1 billion is not a lot of money in 2021 dollars.  This might be seem cruel and heartless to the people who did get mixed up in all of this, but we as a society can foot the bill and repair.

Our energy would be put to MUCH better used solving the societal breakdown that resulted in so much protest and unrest, rather than having citizens coming out to police people and put them in their place.  Especially when those people are coming from out of town to defend property from the very people who live in said community.

iron_megalith said:

Holy shit. Someone here actually falls for the the White Power hand symbol meme? LMAO.

I wouldn't even be surprised if someone also fell for the "It's OK to be white" movement and were enraged by it. I don't care if you're left or you're right. Falling for these memes and taking it unironically just tells how much you're out of touch. Whether you advocate to ban the symbol because you believe white supremacists do actually use it in a serious manner. Or whether you are a white supremacist that bought the meme and used it yourself within your group. Just believing it is a thing and taking it seriously just proves their point that people are fucking gullible. Congratulations for demonstrating boomer levels of ignorance right there.

This thread really is Twitter lite simulation. You guys crack me up.

Even looking at the ok symbol through the kindest lens (as simply a meme), it was a meme that was made to make people of color and their allies upset and uncomfortable in a space.  Would that not make anyone that participated in the trolling, either online or in public, participants of hate?  You are intentionally trying to make people feel uncomfortable and unwelcome for the lols.  Sounds like a really shitty thing to do.

I was fully aware of the 4chan origins, and I still use the ok gesture, but context is critical.  White supremacists started using the ok gesture in their own circles, because they would just claim they were "trolling" too.  Ever hear of Poe's law?

Besides, it's 4chan.  The cesspool of the internet.  Nothing is "just a meme" there.

thismeintiel said:

Tell me you're easily duped without telling me you're easily duped. 

I love what fools the Left and media has made themselves out to be.  A massive troll job by 4chan, who bet they could get the Left to believe that anything was racist, including the internationally known OK hand sign, and won that bet just because it was something Trump does when he talks.  Talk about TDS.  The best part?  Instead of acknowledging they got had, they kept going along with it.  Now, EVERYONE is a White Supremacist.  Oh God, it's so fucking good. 

I guess Biden is a massive White Supremacist, too.

Dude, context is critical.  Are you trying to tell me this level of trolling has no racial undertones whatsoever?!  I still use the okay symbol too, but I have enough brain cells to tell when someone is intentionally being an asshole.

My friends and I were really pissed off at the ADL for classifying the okay symbol as a hate symbol back in 2019, and we continued to use it defiantly, because we were not going to let it be co-opted.  So, no, we were not going to let the racists take something from us.  If you really think mocking and mentally distressing people over their desire to not offend other people is HILARIOUS, then there is something seriously wrong with you.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IR-hhat34LI

A good nuanced video.

Wisconsin has kind of insane self-defense laws.



thismeintiel said:

Ever hear of a citizen's arrest? If I see someone committing a crime, it is legal for me to detain them til the authorities get there. If he fires upon me, he would be charged with assault with a deadly weapon if I survived or murder if I died. There is no self-defense for people breaking the law in the first place.
Oh, that's not what you are implying? Yet, you seem to be in Kyle's case. Even though, he was very responsible with his gun, as I stated. And his only decision was to protect his community, which he had the right to do. Further enforced by the ruling of the jury.
No, this is not Nazi Germany. The people are the authority. We give the government the authority to protect us, our property, and our community. When they are told not to by a political hack in charge, we can take that authority in our own hands. That is our right and the law. That is why people hoped he would lose because it may put that right into jeopardy. However, it just reinforced it.

So let me make sure I understand your logic here.  As long as I believe you are committing a crime, I have the right to pull my gun out on you and make a citizen arrest.  So the person you pull your gun on does not have the right of self defense because your right of citizen arrest outweighs my self defense rights. You better check those citizen arrest laws you seem to put a lot of trust in because I can assure you, if you pull your gun on someone just because you believe they are committing a crime and they shoot and kill you, they will walk.  You do not have total authority to do as you please and any citizen arrest comes with huge risk including you just getting killed.

Depending on the state depends on what you can actually do.  Most does not support you pulling out a gun on that person.  The reason I made the analogy of a simple misdemeanor because the actual crime that is happening does make a difference.  Maybe you should take the time to research the topic before answering. Deadly force is not a requirement to any citizen arrest and most states do not support it.  Only the police has the option which is why you have police.  I really do not believe you thought this through and threw out some BS.  

Maybe you need to go back and read what I have wrote.  You are so narrowed focus on defending everything Kyle did that night all you can see is trying to find a way to support his actions.  His actions was just as reckless and stupid as the people chasing someone who is armed.  He came out the killer as I stated, but he could have easily been the victim.  

You seem to believe you have more authority then you actually have.  If you are protecting your property then you are on your property.  Everyone has the right to protect themselves and once you pull your gun out the rules of engagement change, now everyone has a self defense right.

You are right about one thing.  The next time, everyone will be on equal playing field and everyone will use self defense if both parties have a gun.  Lethal force will be approved for everyone and the stone cold killer will rule the day.  He had a gun in his hands and I feared for my life and shot him.



iron_megalith said:

Feels good that Kyle is not guilty! Makes my previous ban even more hilarious. Thanks again for that ban you gave me last year Hiku!

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This is how I got banned from before but I'm gonna say it again. If Hiku or some other moderator twists what I say again and decides to ban me again, so be it. I barely give any shit what happens to my account on this forum.

Speaking of twisting what people say, no, that's not how you got banned last time.

It was for inciting and encouraging deadly violence, by for example stating "it is time to take arms" for a civil war (which seems to be only in your head), and expressing your happiness over the outcome of multiple deadly shootings. You can agree or disagree with the actions taken without adding the aforementioned things. And whatever verdict was reached in court changes none of it.

Yet you've now on at least 4 occasions over the past few days done the opposite of what the rules say regarding how you can appeal moderator decisions. (Which by the way was decided by the whole team. I only administered the collective decision of the team.)

The main reason why it's against the rules to complain about moderator decisions in threads, on walls, etc, is because usually the person will misrepresent why they got banned. Like you did here.



thismeintiel said:

Ever hear of a citizen's arrest?  If I see someone committing a crime, it is legal for me to detain them til the authorities get there.  If he fires upon me, he would be charged with assault with a deadly weapon if I survived or murder if I died.  There is no self-defense for people breaking the law in the first place.

No, it's not that straightforward. 

Citizen's arrest law varies by state. In some states, you're only allowed to detain someone under very specific circumstances. 

And it varies state by state by how you're allowed to go about doing that.

>There is no self-defense for people breaking the law in the first place.

Except there is.

thismeintiel said:

Oh, don't justify it, just minimize the millions in damages the riots caused.  As well as the people who lost their lives during them.  And yes, let's just let rioters do whatever they want.  Who cares if those people actually had insurance.  Or how long it takes to get government aid, which we all pay for, including those with their houses and businesses destroyed.  Or how long and expensive civil will be.  This is not to mention the emotional and physical strain it must put on those people watching everything in their lives burn to the ground.  Who cares because we may hurt the ittle rioter scum.  Like I said, no empathy for decent citizens.  Just excuses and looking the other way for criminals.

Yea, it is about statistics.  And white people are far more likely to be shot by police officers than blacks.  Interesting since blacks make up around 50% of the violent crime.  Of course, that doesn't even take into account how many of ones that we actually get worked up about end up being justified shootings.  But, do people follow up on that.  Nope, just slap all the faces of unrepentant criminals on shirts and deify them like they are all equal.  Personally, that really dishonors the ones that weren't justified.

>And white people are far more likely to be shot by police officers than blacks. 

False.

> Interesting since blacks make up around 50% of the violent crime.

Correction, black people get convicted for 50% of the violent crime. Black people are more likely to be wrongfully convicted of crimes.

thismeintiel said:

Tell me you're easily duped without telling me you're easily duped. 

I love what fools the Left and media has made themselves out to be.  A massive troll job by 4chan, who bet they could get the Left to believe that anything was racist, including the internationally known OK hand sign, and won that bet just because it was something Trump does when he talks.  Talk about TDS.  The best part?  Instead of acknowledging they got had, they kept going along with it.  Now, EVERYONE is a White Supremacist.  Oh God, it's so fucking good. 

I guess Biden is a massive White Supremacist, too.

1.) "Racists pretended it meant something racist to trick the left"

That's literally how all symbolism, and how every word works. Something starts getting used a certain way, and people start to associate it with that way.


You're basically saying "Haha, leftists understand how language works"

  

2.) The intention of dog whistles is that they are supposed to appear innocuous. There are many symbols that racists started using because they were positive symbols.  

You got those leftists, by calling out that they figured out who was racist because racists wanted to troll leftists. 

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