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TallSilhouette said:

Pew: US favorability improves several times over from Trump to Biden.

Making America Great Again?

The MAGAs don't live in reality.

I blame inbreeding.



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Got to meet Andrew Yang yesterday and had the chance to sit down and talk to him for about 10 minutes. Great guy.



So Krystal and Saagar left the Hill and started their own youtube channel. The quality of their content is as excellent as ever It really pays to be the writer of your own show and the owner of your critical thinking brain, something traditional TV pundits never had and still do not. If you liked their content before, you should subscribe to them, if you haven't heard of them before, you should give them a go! 

Anyway, one of the baffling moments of 2020 elections was how JoRo endorsement of Bernie was met with disdain from a lot of lefties (including here) and I just didn't get it. How can one lump JoRo with right-wing pundits let alone far-right wing extremists? Making objectively laughable wrong statements about the guy? I think this segment in particular is the best defense JoRo has received and also explains why he's perceived falsely by many.



Remember, police officers live in fear every day.



I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.

LurkerJ said:

So Krystal and Saagar left the Hill and started their own youtube channel. The quality of their content is as excellent as ever It really pays to be the writer of your own show and the owner of your critical thinking brain, something traditional TV pundits never had and still do not. If you liked their content before, you should subscribe to them, if you haven't heard of them before, you should give them a go! 

Anyway, one of the baffling moments of 2020 elections was how JoRo endorsement of Bernie was met with disdain from a lot of lefties (including here) and I just didn't get it. How can one lump JoRo with right-wing pundits let alone far-right wing extremists? Making objectively laughable wrong statements about the guy? I think this segment in particular is the best defense JoRo has received and also explains why he's perceived falsely by many.

If you wish to grapple with the political consequences of pushing away Rogan, you also have to acknowledge the consequences of welcoming him. To welcome him to the left, you largely have to extend a hand to his brand of "anti-PC" bigotry. This is largely the antithesis of the social left, so I can't imagine what that would look like. 

I'm personally not good with that. While Rogan is not a far-right extremist, he is an idiot with a lot of real bad, right wing takes and comments who often gives a platform to the far-right without sufficiently pushing back on them. He should not be welcomed as part of the left, and he should routinely be criticized for his routine idiocy. He doesn't deserve to be celebrated for having a take that isn't shit every once in a while. 

I find it interesting that Krystal Ball doesn't even really try to grapple with this tradeoff, which largely makes the video worthless, imo. 



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sundin13 said:
LurkerJ said:

So Krystal and Saagar left the Hill and started their own youtube channel. The quality of their content is as excellent as ever It really pays to be the writer of your own show and the owner of your critical thinking brain, something traditional TV pundits never had and still do not. If you liked their content before, you should subscribe to them, if you haven't heard of them before, you should give them a go! 

Anyway, one of the baffling moments of 2020 elections was how JoRo endorsement of Bernie was met with disdain from a lot of lefties (including here) and I just didn't get it. How can one lump JoRo with right-wing pundits let alone far-right wing extremists? Making objectively laughable wrong statements about the guy? I think this segment in particular is the best defense JoRo has received and also explains why he's perceived falsely by many.

If you wish to grapple with the political consequences of pushing away Rogan, you also have to acknowledge the consequences of welcoming him. To welcome him to the left, you largely have to extend a hand to his brand of "anti-PC" bigotry. This is largely the antithesis of the social left, so I can't imagine what that would look like. 

I'm personally not good with that. While Rogan is not a far-right extremist, he is an idiot with a lot of real bad, right wing takes and comments who often gives a platform to the far-right without sufficiently pushing back on them. He should not be welcomed as part of the left, and he should routinely be criticized for his routine idiocy. He doesn't deserve to be celebrated for having a take that isn't shit every once in a while. 

I find it interesting that Krystal Ball doesn't even really try to grapple with this tradeoff, which largely makes the video worthless, imo. 

What's more worthless is your attempt at branding JoRO with a bunch of labels without backing it up your claims.

The guy has a total of 1,670 UNSCRIPTED podcasts published since 2013; averaging 3 hours each; 5k hours in total. He's not hiding behind a keyboard calculating everything he says like you do. Most people with that number of recorded video/audio will end up sounding stupid a lot more than he would've liked because... he's a human. Very few with that number of recorded hours will come off as "pure enough" for the modern left. Who said anything about not criticising him anyway? 



LurkerJ said:

What's more worthless is your attempt at branding JoRO with a bunch of labels without backing it up your claims.

The guy has a total of 1,670 UNSCRIPTED podcasts published since 2013; averaging 3 hours each; 5k hours in total. He's not hiding behind a keyboard calculating everything he says like you do. Most people with that number of recorded video/audio will end up sounding stupid a lot more than he would've liked because... he's a human. Very few with that number of recorded hours will come off as "pure enough" for the modern left. Who said anything about not criticising him anyway? 

And why should we validate this brand of pseudo-intellectual bullshit, where he regularly makes dumb-ass statements about things that he knows nothing about? Like, after the recent controversy regarding vaccination, he said something to the effect of "I'm a fucking moron and I'm not a respected source of information". I agree. I think it is damaging to validate this type of "Idiot talks about things that he knows nothing about" content as being more than worthless drivel. If you don't know what you are talking about, you shouldn't be talking about it to millions of people, and you shouldn't be welcoming far-right voices to talk on your show when you lack the tools to challenge them.

As for "who said anything about not criticizing him", well, Krystal Ball wants the left to treat Rogan more like the right treats Rogan, and how does the right treat him? Largely by celebrating when he says something they like and not paying much attention to the rest. 



Pakman gives a nice breakdown and prime example of the right wing propaganda pipeline. Baseless conjecture gets dressed up as hypothetical evidence. Said hearsay is then signal boosted and repackaged repeatedly until a completely baseless conspiracy theory makes its way to Capitol Hill. Disgusting.



Jumpin said:

Remember, police officers live in fear every day.

If you are scared, go to church!!



TallSilhouette said:

Pakman gives a nice breakdown and prime example of the right wing propaganda pipeline. Baseless conjecture gets dressed up as hypothetical evidence. Said hearsay is then signal boosted and repackaged repeatedly until a completely baseless conspiracy theory makes its way to Capitol Hill. Disgusting.

This is actually a really good break down of exactly how misinformation is played up in today's social media environment.  The transition from it could to actually stating it as a fact in the first part of the video is pro level work.