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Cornel West talks about the broken system of the US that has lead to the riots, has lead to the mistrust of the Reps and the Dems, has lead to the mistrust of the Est Media, the people want a lot better, not the same   

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tsogud said:

The way that the Democratic primaries are conducted are better than the Republican party to be sure. Primaries need to start being treated as importantly as the general. We need to revamp how and when the primaries are held like having all states vote on the same day and having election day a national holiday, both primary and general election. I'm just suggesting things off the top of my head but I'm sure there's other ways that are better.

It's not the first time I've seen it suggested that the primary should be a single election on one day instead of being a series of contests staggered over a period of 4-5 months. It seems like a good idea to me. Every other election is done on the same day. One argument I've seen in favor of staggered primaries is that it allows candidates to focus on a few states at a time, but if being able to campaign in every state is essential, then wait until summertime to have the election. Have it on, say, the first weekend in July (meaning both days, to give everyone enough time to vote), and then have the convention at the end of the month. That ought to give every candidate enough time to campaign throughout the nation. Ranked-choice voting should be implemented as well, of course.

There's also the issue of caucuses and open vs. closed primaries. Caucuses ought to be done away with entirely (they've become less frequent, with only four states having one this year). As for primaries, it's hard to say if they should be open, closed, or semi-open. The question will always remain "Should non-Democrats be allowed to have a say in who represents the Democratic Party on the ballot?" After all, political parties are private organizations, not a de facto or de jure part of the government, and therefore there's issues regarding things like freedom of association. FairVote has an article about the subject here. But regardless of the type, primaries should be the rule.

The problem is that primaries are run by state and local governments, though I wonder how much leeway the DNC has to pressure states to have all of their primaries on one day, or to simply operate the primary process themself.

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Shadow1980 said:
tsogud said:

The way that the Democratic primaries are conducted are better than the Republican party to be sure. Primaries need to start being treated as importantly as the general. We need to revamp how and when the primaries are held like having all states vote on the same day and having election day a national holiday, both primary and general election. I'm just suggesting things off the top of my head but I'm sure there's other ways that are better.

It's not the first time I've seen it suggested that the primary should be a single election on one day instead of being a series of contests staggered over a period of 4-5 months. It seems like a good idea to me. Every other election is done on the same day. One argument I've seen in favor of staggered primaries is that it allows candidates to focus on a few states at a time, but if being able to campaign in every state is essential, then wait until summertime to have the election. Have it on, say, the first weekend in July (meaning both days, to give everyone enough time to vote), and then have the convention at the end of the month. That ought to give every candidate enough time to campaign throughout the nation. Ranked-choice voting should be implemented as well, of course.

There's also the issue of caucuses and open vs. closed primaries. Caucuses ought to be done away with entirely (they've become less frequent, with only four states having one this year). As for primaries, it's hard to say if they should be open, closed, or semi-open. The question will always remain "Should non-Democrats be allowed to have a say in who represents the Democratic Party on the ballot?" After all, political parties are private organizations, not a de facto or de jure part of the government, and therefore there's issues regarding things like freedom of associate. FairVote has an article about the subject here. But regardless of the type, primaries should be the rule.

The problem is that primaries are run by state and local governments, though I wonder how much leeway the DNC has to pressure states to have all of their primaries on one day, or to simply operate the primary process themself.

@bolded: Can somebody explain me the difference? We don't have primaries or caucuses here, so I don't know what's what.

As for having them all on the same day, that also seems to be the best course of action to me. The parties don't necessarily need to have theirs all on the same date. So the primaries of the republican, democratic, green, libertairian, etc... don't all have to happen at the same time, but each party would need to have a single day for their own primary election. And yeah, primaries need to have a ranked choice, especially since candidates can drop out at any time.



Bofferbrauer2 said:

@bolded: Can somebody explain me the difference? We don't have primaries or caucuses here, so I don't know what's what.

Open means anyone from any party may vote for any candidate.  Closed means you can only vote a candidate from the same party you are registered for.  We also have semi-closed primaries which allow people not registered with a party to vote for either. But you still cannot vote across parties.



Massimus - "Trump already has democrat support."

Obama's speech ignores his own record, he wants the same system and the same people he had before Trump, he wants us to accept it, remembering Black Lives Matter started under his watch 

Last edited by Rab - on 07 June 2020

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Bill Clinton revelation of him being on Jeffrey Epstein's Island at the time of pedophile activities but denied by the Clintons and ignored by mainstream media

Bill Clinton lying about his presence on Epstien's Island even when he was witnessed being there

Leadership of the US political parties is atrocious being protected by partisan mainstream media, the system is not working for the people that need honest leadership, it works for the powerful    



Rab said:

Obama's speech ignores his own record, he wants the same system and the same people he had before Trump, he wants us to accept it, remembering Black Lives Matter started under his watch 

Another one sided opinion piece.  The reason why this is garbage is that she says he is right that in order for change you have to be involved in your city and state elections but try to dismiss those statements.  This opinion also forget that he did institute policy change for police brutality which Trump reverse every last one of them.  So them acting as if he did not try to make a change is BS and this is how opinion narrative only push their own opinion but doesn't cover everything.  What we do know is that Trump has done nothing, has reverse everything put into place to curve police brutality and so far has shone he is willing to do absolutely nothing to better relations between the Police and their communities.  Its evident this opinion piece stated everything you wanted to hear but was nowhere close to being comprehensive in its narration on the subject.



Machiavellian said:
Rab said:

Obama's speech ignores his own record, he wants the same system and the same people he had before Trump, he wants us to accept it, remembering Black Lives Matter started under his watch 

Another one sided opinion piece.  The reason why this is garbage is that she says he is right that in order for change you have to be involved in your city and state elections but try to dismiss those statements.  This opinion also forget that he did institute policy change for police brutality which Trump reverse every last one of them.  So them acting as if he did not try to make a change is BS and this is how opinion narrative only push their own opinion but doesn't cover everything.  What we do know is that Trump has done nothing, has reverse everything put into place to curve police brutality and so far has shone he is willing to do absolutely nothing to better relations between the Police and their communities.  Its evident this opinion piece stated everything you wanted to hear but was nowhere close to being comprehensive in its narration on the subject.

They base the discussion off actual events and historical facts, it is well balanced and insightful, it's in great contrast to mainstream media and Est Dems ideology around Obama who would defend him and hold him up no matter what, Obama really talked the talk but was very watered down/compromised in his delivery to the people, his healthcare is a case in point, he was never prepared to dismantle the broken system, he just tweaked it and made massive compromises that kept the status quo going. Obama is rarely looked closely at, it's great that they are prepared to

Doing a job for 8 years, then making statements about the things you didn’t do :/

Obama often praised young people as the future of politics, and encouraged them to fight for their beliefs, but then avoids Bernie Sanders young peoples movement and instead endorses Joe Biden to help the status quo, bringing back all the same people and the establishment of the past that is the very thing young people fight against, he talks sweet, but delivers little for the people    

In the end Obama made very little systemic change, but gave the illusion he did, he sounded and looked very Presidential, some people are reluctant to analyse that in detail, but not the Hill thankfully        

Last edited by Rab - on 07 June 2020

Considering that Biden has officially clinched the nomination, this thread has reached its natural endpoint and will be locked. I will provide a link in the OP for the general US Politics thread for those who still want to go back and quote something from this thread to carry on an ongoing conversation.