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mZuzek said:

I just wanted to point out I don't think anyone ever expected BotW levels of either graphics or ambition. After all, this is Game Freak we're talking about here. It's not that people expect it to be like that - it's moreso that people are questioning why it can't be like that, when it's a franchise that's consistently sold massive numbers, much higher than those of Zelda and even Mario (3D). By all means, it should at least be as ambitious looking as those two are based on sales, if not more. It shouldn't be a matter of whether Game Freak is or isn't experienced with HD development, because when it's a franchise this big, the normal thing would be for there to be a massive budget and other development teams (who already have experience, in this scenario) helping out. Most people never expected this to happen, they're just questioning why it can't.

Because then they could only release a core Pokémon game every 5 years.



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mZuzek said:

I just wanted to point out I don't think anyone ever expected BotW levels of either graphics or ambition. After all, this is Game Freak we're talking about here. It's not that people expect it to be like that - it's moreso that people are questioning why it can't be like that, when it's a franchise that's consistently sold massive numbers, much higher than those of Zelda and even Mario (3D). By all means, it should at least be as ambitious looking as those two are based on sales, if not more. It shouldn't be a matter of whether Game Freak is or isn't experienced with HD development, because when it's a franchise this big, the normal thing would be for there to be a massive budget and other development teams (who already have experience, in this scenario) helping out. Most people never expected this to happen, they're just questioning why it can't.

Sales don't really determine that though Minecraft is one of the top selling games of all time but I doubt any future game would deviate much even though it's outsold many ambitious titles because people are buying it for a reason other than that. I think this is also more so one of those things that's more a forum goer issue because the reception on social media platforms was a lot different highlighting that despite the discussion here GF have for most part provided what their fanbase wanted it's clear the series sells more on the unique charm than pushing tech hence why all similar games that do match the ambition people say the should such as Ni No Kuni don't even come close to its success and that's telling as to why GF approach things the way they do.

The overall fanbase just aren't really looking for that which is why they keep selling they're more focused on the evolution (no pun intended) of the series unique charm that drives the Pokemon subculture.



mZuzek said:

I just wanted to point out I don't think anyone ever expected BotW levels of either graphics or ambition. After all, this is Game Freak we're talking about here. It's not that people expect it to be like that - it's moreso that people are questioning why it can't be like that, when it's a franchise that's consistently sold massive numbers, much higher than those of Zelda and even Mario (3D). By all means, it should at least be as ambitious looking as those two are based on sales, if not more. It shouldn't be a matter of whether Game Freak is or isn't experienced with HD development, because when it's a franchise this big, the normal thing would be for there to be a massive budget and other development teams (who already have experience, in this scenario) helping out. Most people never expected this to happen, they're just questioning why it can't.

I think the biggest thing people need to understand is that Pokemon always was and has been a portable/handheld experience. The games have a TONNE of content but have never been about having the biggest worlds or the prettiest graphics. 

What I've seen is entirely in line with what I expected and hoped for. If people are upset about what we're getting, that's on them, not Nintendo. Nintendo is delivering in line with realistic expectations and gamers/fans are just salty, entitled dicks. 

Not you. you seem to be reasonable. 



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mZuzek said:

I just wanted to point out I don't think anyone ever expected BotW levels of either graphics or ambition. After all, this is Game Freak we're talking about here. It's not that people expect it to be like that - it's moreso that people are questioning why it can't be like that, when it's a franchise that's consistently sold massive numbers, much higher than those of Zelda and even Mario (3D). By all means, it should at least be as ambitious looking as those two are based on sales, if not more. It shouldn't be a matter of whether Game Freak is or isn't experienced with HD development, because when it's a franchise this big, the normal thing would be for there to be a massive budget and other development teams (who already have experience, in this scenario) helping out. Most people never expected this to happen, they're just questioning why it can't.

Maybe we should instead of calling GF lazy think about other possible reasons why they're so unambitious with the pokemon brand.
Maybe it has something to do with the complicated copyright and royalty situation of the pokemon brand? GF seem to have the exclusive right to develop mainline pokemon games(and remakes) but we actually don't know how big their share of the revenue is. Maybe their share is very small and they didn't have the financial capacity to heavily invest into the studio when they switched to Switch(lol) and Nintendo also wasn't keen on investing in GF because the games sell either way and because GF is a independent studio and not owned by Nintendo.



KLXVER said:
mZuzek said:

I just wanted to point out I don't think anyone ever expected BotW levels of either graphics or ambition. After all, this is Game Freak we're talking about here. It's not that people expect it to be like that - it's moreso that people are questioning why it can't be like that, when it's a franchise that's consistently sold massive numbers, much higher than those of Zelda and even Mario (3D). By all means, it should at least be as ambitious looking as those two are based on sales, if not more. It shouldn't be a matter of whether Game Freak is or isn't experienced with HD development, because when it's a franchise this big, the normal thing would be for there to be a massive budget and other development teams (who already have experience, in this scenario) helping out. Most people never expected this to happen, they're just questioning why it can't.

Because then they could only release a core Pokémon game every 5 years.

Pretty sure Gamefreak have a much bigger development team with way more resources at their disposal ... but even then this isn't correct. Nobody is asking for Gamefreak to be as consistently innovative or risk-taking as Zelda team. People are asking for an entry that innovates enough so that the next few entries also still feel somewhat new and novel. Not for every entry to be BOTW. Essentially after Gamefreak move on from one console, they should probably re-access the series and try to put a spin on it. That's already much more gracious and understanding than most people are to long running series that get milked ...



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AngryLittleAlchemist said:
KLXVER said:

Because then they could only release a core Pokémon game every 5 years.

Pretty sure Gamefreak have a much bigger development team with way more resources at their disposal ... but even then this isn't correct. Nobody is asking for Gamefreak to be as consistently innovative or risk-taking as Zelda team. People are asking for an entry that innovates enough so that the next few entries also still feel somewhat new and novel. Not for every entry to be BOTW. Essentially after Gamefreak move on from one console, they should probably re-access the series and try to put a spin on it. That's already much more gracious and understanding than most people are to long running series that get milked ...

Well we don't know everything about this game yet. They did say they were trying new things.



KLXVER said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

Pretty sure Gamefreak have a much bigger development team with way more resources at their disposal ... but even then this isn't correct. Nobody is asking for Gamefreak to be as consistently innovative or risk-taking as Zelda team. People are asking for an entry that innovates enough so that the next few entries also still feel somewhat new and novel. Not for every entry to be BOTW. Essentially after Gamefreak move on from one console, they should probably re-access the series and try to put a spin on it. That's already much more gracious and understanding than most people are to long running series that get milked ...

Well we don't know everything about this game yet. They did say they were trying new things.

You're telling me that 3 minute video didnt show everything about the game?



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KLXVER said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

Pretty sure Gamefreak have a much bigger development team with way more resources at their disposal ... but even then this isn't correct. Nobody is asking for Gamefreak to be as consistently innovative or risk-taking as Zelda team. People are asking for an entry that innovates enough so that the next few entries also still feel somewhat new and novel. Not for every entry to be BOTW. Essentially after Gamefreak move on from one console, they should probably re-access the series and try to put a spin on it. That's already much more gracious and understanding than most people are to long running series that get milked ...

Well we don't know everything about this game yet. They did say they were trying new things.

Oh yeah, absolutely. They could always do something new and innovative and things are yet to be announced. Besides me personally, while I would have loved something like a 3rd person over back-view camera I mostly just play these games casually for a single playthrough. I just do not think the interests of people who do want innovation should be misconstrued as inherently wanting something unreasonable ... like a five year dev time for every game (that would be ridiculous!). 



zorg1000 said:
KLXVER said:

Well we don't know everything about this game yet. They did say they were trying new things.

You're telling me that 3 minute video didnt show everything about the game?

This is Nintendo, not GameFreak, but if GameFreak is following in Nintendo's footsteps ... 

We didn't even know Odyssey was about transformations until E3, 5 months after it was announced and 8 months after it was teased. So that's something that could be replicated with this game and that was a great marketing strategy. 

I just think GameFreak doesn't have the good will of Nintendo, which is pretty understandable. 



MrWayne said:
mZuzek said:

I just wanted to point out I don't think anyone ever expected BotW levels of either graphics or ambition. After all, this is Game Freak we're talking about here. It's not that people expect it to be like that - it's moreso that people are questioning why it can't be like that, when it's a franchise that's consistently sold massive numbers, much higher than those of Zelda and even Mario (3D). By all means, it should at least be as ambitious looking as those two are based on sales, if not more. It shouldn't be a matter of whether Game Freak is or isn't experienced with HD development, because when it's a franchise this big, the normal thing would be for there to be a massive budget and other development teams (who already have experience, in this scenario) helping out. Most people never expected this to happen, they're just questioning why it can't.

Maybe we should instead of calling GF lazy think about other possible reasons why they're so unambitious with the pokemon brand.
Maybe it has something to do with the complicated copyright and royalty situation of the pokemon brand? GF seem to have the exclusive right to develop mainline pokemon games(and remakes) but we actually don't know how big their share of the revenue is. Maybe their share is very small and they didn't have the financial capacity to heavily invest into the studio when they switched to Switch(lol) and Nintendo also wasn't keen on investing in GF because the games sell either way and because GF is a independent studio and not owned by Nintendo.

And the billions of dollars that people mention is not for Game Freak, its based off the Pokemon brand itself.

The IP is the biggest media franchise in the world, but we don't know how much Game Freak gets out of the royalties. Maybe a lot, but it's gonna go into the company's various business aspects, not just creating the next Pokemon games. They share the IP license with Nintendo, Creatures, Inc., and the Pokemon Company. Thus, the revenue is shared to create all the other multimedia projects that I spewed out previously.

And even with all that revenue, I don't know if spending all of it is a great idea, especially if it does not lead to the profit margins Nintendo, Game Freak, etc. are hoping to get. That is why I question people when they ask, "Why doesn't Nintendo use their billions of dollars to create better consoles or bigger games?" If it were that simple, then maybe we could see all of that come true  and Nintendo would not have to worry about not profiting out of all of these game projects (remember, Nintendo's previous President acknowledged that they wanted to create the Switch at a profit, not a loss).