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NightlyPoe said:

But the story they ran with?  Why?  If there's a movement afoot, you'd think they'd be able to locate a better poster boy for it.

Probably because most states do not allow under age children to seek their own medical treatment.

So the news stories you do come by are about kids 'trying' to get vaccinated.  This one garnered attention because he 'did' get vaccinated.  He had to wait until hsi 18th birthday to get vaccinated on his own.  I mean did you even read up on this at all? This is what we are trying to tell you.  It all related but you don't seem to understand that.

You're basically asking for stories about doctors and nurses breaking the law and risking their medical licenses to vaccinate a child without parental consent.



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NightlyPoe said:
SpokenTruth said:

Probably because most states do not allow under age children to seek their own medical treatment.

So the news stories you do come by are about kids 'trying' to get vaccinated.  This one garnered attention because he 'did' get vaccinated.  He had to wait until hsi 18th birthday to get vaccinated on his own.  I mean did you even read up on this at all? This is what we are trying to tell you.  It all related but you don't seem to understand that.

You're basically asking for stories about doctors and nurses breaking the law and risking their medical licenses to vaccinate a child without parental consent.

 

  • Most states is not all states.  No need for anyone to break the law in those locations
  • A minor trying but unable to get a vaccine could also be highlighted.
Again, related does not mean it's the same.  18 is not the same as 17 when it comes to medical decisions.  Just saying something is related does not absolve the journalistic malpractice.

I said most only because I have personally checked the laws for all 50 states.  But of the 37 I have check so far, all them require parental or guardian consent.

And just to be through, I did find a research document (wish I found this damn thing first) that listed all states legal Age of Majority (age of medical consent).  All 50 states are 18 or older.  Alabama and Nebraska are 19 for some weird reason.

So there you go.

And as for stories about underage teens trying....those frikkin exist.  I gave you 2 in this very thread.

Last edited by SpokenTruth - on 07 March 2019

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NightlyPoe said:
SpokenTruth said:

You are isolating a leaf and ignoring the forest.

Correct.  I'm highlighting an example of journalistic malpractice.  I'm not highlighting a forest or litigating vaccination like many (most actually) are doing here.

Your examples were about minors.  That is an ongoing issue.  Having a 16-year-old advocate speaking out about not being able to get vaccinated would be a story.  An adult, however, is not.  I'm not sure what the difficulty is in all this.  One is a crashing of parental rights and underage youths control of their own bodies and health.

The other is just an adult going to the doctor.

Have you read the story? 

I read at least one of the articles abotu this situation when it came out. Don't know if the ones in the OP state what I read, but in the article I read it talked about how his younger brother is trying to figure out a way to get vaccinated himself. Seeing as his younger brother is not yet 18, he can not do so without his parents permission. 

So is that a good enough story for you? He is 17 or younger at least, maybe even the perfect 16 you mention. Point is, he wants to get vaccinated and can not, due to his parents. Hell if he was a girl, he could get an abortion at his age without his parents permission, but he can not vaccinate himself.



NightlyPoe said:
SpokenTruth said:

I said most only because I have personally checked the laws for all 50 states.  But of the 37 I have check so far, all them require parental or guardian consent.

And just to be through, I did find a research document (wish I found this damn thing first) that listed all states legal Age of Majority (age of medical consent).  All 50 states are 18 or older.  Alabama and Nebraska are 19 for some weird reason.

So there you go.

 

And as for stories about underage teens trying....those frikkin exist.  I gave you 2 in this very thread.

And you read the post where I said those were fine.

BTW, the first article you posted said that some states allow teens to opt for vaccination at age 16 and was what I was relying on.  Let us stipulate that it is correct.

For those states, it requires certain conditions.  They must be married, emancipated, graduated or have their own children.  Under those terms, they are already considered a legal adult in some states.  But without those stipulations, no state allows it under the age of 18. 

Here, you can look each one them up yourself.  I did.  All 50 states.

https://statelaws.findlaw.com/family-laws/legal-ages.html



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I see no problem here. It's a human interest story that links into an important and topical issue, namely the destructive anti-vaccine movement and the ongoing damage it is causing to society.



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And this is the result without vaccines: https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/03/boy-spent-47-agonizing-days-in-icu-with-tetanus-parents-still-refuse-vaccines/

Seriously, can they not get charged with endangerment of the child for that? At least they got an appropriate bill to pay for that (take a deep breath first if you want to read the spoiler): 811.929$ plus the charges for the air transportation and rehab.

And yet, they still refuse to vaccine their children. Not even being ruined by their idiocy does seem to change their mind, disgusting.

Last edited by Bofferbrauer2 - on 09 March 2019

You get the concept of case studies, right? That's basically what this is. It's an example used to raise debate about a "contentious" issue.

The basic point isn't that he is an adult and chose to defy his parents to get vaccinated. It's that he had to wait until he was 18 before he legally could. When all scientific evidence is on the side of the child, should the parent be able to legally forbid their child from getting vaccinated? This is just a single case used to highlight a phenomena that is likely happening to a number of people and against a backdrop of preventable disease outbreaks.

Out of all the stupidity and falsehoods in journalism at the moment, highlighting this is just bizarre.