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LurkerJ said:
JRPGfan said:



The truth of the matter is the UK doesnt allow any vaccines produced in the UK, to be exported.
Meanwhile the EU, does, and has shipped over 9m vaccines to the UK.



When will you stop spreading FUD?

The UK contract obligates AZ to give the UK priority over the first X million of doses through production facilities in both the UK and the EU. The EU contract doesn't make similar promises and does not prioritise the EU because guess what? AZ could only give the priority once to one buyer, first come first serve basis and the UK was first, that's what priority means after all.

The EU was looking for cheap deals, the UK was looking for the best deal. No fishy business here. 

Moreover, the UK doesn't prohibit vaccines from being shipped out, a lie. The reason why it looks this way is because the contract we signed forces AZ to serve the UK first, as a result, 0 vaccines were shipped from the UK to the EU because we're still the priority customer by the laws of the contract we singed, so we also get vaccines from the EU as AZ knows that whatever it signed with the UK is legally binding.

The USA made similar deals with its vaccines maker, promised them deregulation and funding and signed early contracts that obligate them to serve the USA first, so the USA produced vaccines aren't being shipped out, shocker. 

On other hand, the EU contract doesn't obligate AZ to give the EU the same premium treatment that we got, as AZ naturally promised the EU it will try with "best reasonable efforts" as AZ can only do after making legal commitments to the UK. That's why AZ isn't worried about going to court nor the EU is trying make this into a legal battle. 

Playing the victim you say..... The EU wants the UK/USA-like premium service without actually making the effort to get that sort of service. It wants to sell its people the lie that the vaccines produced in Europe are making their out of the continent because of the EU kindness and not because of their terrible laughable late deals. It also wants you to believe that the UK is actively stopping the vaccines from being shipped out when in fact, we're just reaping the reward of signing contracts quickly and swiftly. 

Between the UK and EU, only one of them is actively stopping the vaccines from being shipped out with political interference, and it's not us, we only want what we paid and signed for. The EU wants what it didn't pay for and they're trying to get it by force, it's borderline dictatorial.

And just like Flinten-Uschi (thanks Rol), you're crying "injustice" when in fact, you're behind because the EU was looking for Black Friday deals from vaccine makers, then you dare accuse the UK playing the victim when we're literally minding our own business

"Between the UK and EU, only one of them is actively stopping the vaccines from being shipped out with political interference, and it's not us, we only want what we paid and signed for."


Yes... between the two UK or EU, only one of them is makeing vaccines, and shipping them outsides their borders.
(btw the EU is still shipping out vaccines, it isn't actively stopping them from being shipped out, its thinking about it only)

And its the EU.


"we only want what we paid for"

So does the EU. Its getting screwed over by AZ.
First come, first serve.... doesnt apply, when AZ screwed up its production, and had to take vaccines made in the EU and ship to the UK to fix it.
At the cost of the EU citizens.


You say I'm the one spreading FUD? 
(EU hasnt even started stopping vaccines from being shipped out, while the UK has been doing so for months and months)

Lmao, your the one twisting facts.

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck.... its a duck.

UK isnt allowing any vaccines made in the UK shipped out.
Reguardless of how they went about that. Its still the situation.


EU is "thinking" about not allowing them to be shipped out.
It hasnt actually acted on it (to bad imo), if the UK can be a bish about vaccines, EU should be allowed to as well.
Don't see why EU should be kid gloves and kind to the UK when the UK isnt to the EU.



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JRPGfan said:

"Between the UK and EU, only one of them is actively stopping the vaccines from being shipped out with political interference, and it's not us, we only want what we paid and signed for."


Yes... between the two UK or EU, only one of them is makeing vaccines, and shipping them outsides their borders.
(btw the EU is still shipping out vaccines, it isn't actively stopping them from being shipped out, its thinking about it only)

And its the EU.


"we only want what we paid for"

So does the EU. Its getting screwed over by AZ.
First come, first serve.... doesnt apply, when AZ screwed up its production, and had to take vaccines made in the EU and ship to the UK to fix it.
At the cost of the EU citizens.


You say I'm the one spreading FUD? 
(EU hasnt even started stopping vaccines from being shipped out, while the UK has been doing so for months and months)

Lmao, your the one twisting facts.

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck.... its a duck.

UK isnt allowing any vaccines made in the UK shipped out.
Reguardless of how they went about that. Its still the situation.


EU is "thinking" about not allowing them to be shipped out.
It hasnt actually acted on it (to bad imo), if the UK can be a bish about vaccines, EU should be allowed to as well.
Don't see why EU should be kid gloves and kind to the UK when the UK isnt to the EU.

Sounds like you don't realize how incompetent German politicians are. This vaccination thing isn't unlike the NATO issue where Trump demanded that Germany reserves 2% of its own GDP for spending on military after Germany had hovered just above 1% for the longest time. This was portrayed as Trump pushing for his "America First" agenda, but the actual NATO terms are that each member state spends 2% of its respective GDP, so in reality Germany was getting by cheap and the actual culprit in the issue.

Regarding vaccination, it's really as simple as LurkerJ says: If there was actual foul play, the EU would threaten to go to court instead of making hollow statements to create a narrative where the blame lies somewhere else instead of with the EU's shopping strategy for vaccines.

On a sidenote, when I heard the news that the USA has decided to vaccinate its own people first before they export vaccines, I shook my head in disbelief. Not because the USA prioritizes their own people, but because it was reported in a way as if that was a dishonorable thing to do.



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JRPGfan said:
LurkerJ said:

When will you stop spreading FUD?

The UK contract obligates AZ to give the UK priority over the first X million of doses through production facilities in both the UK and the EU. The EU contract doesn't make similar promises and does not prioritise the EU because guess what? AZ could only give the priority once to one buyer, first come first serve basis and the UK was first, that's what priority means after all.

The EU was looking for cheap deals, the UK was looking for the best deal. No fishy business here. 

Moreover, the UK doesn't prohibit vaccines from being shipped out, a lie. The reason why it looks this way is because the contract we signed forces AZ to serve the UK first, as a result, 0 vaccines were shipped from the UK to the EU because we're still the priority customer by the laws of the contract we singed, so we also get vaccines from the EU as AZ knows that whatever it signed with the UK is legally binding.

The USA made similar deals with its vaccines maker, promised them deregulation and funding and signed early contracts that obligate them to serve the USA first, so the USA produced vaccines aren't being shipped out, shocker. 

On other hand, the EU contract doesn't obligate AZ to give the EU the same premium treatment that we got, as AZ naturally promised the EU it will try with "best reasonable efforts" as AZ can only do after making legal commitments to the UK. That's why AZ isn't worried about going to court nor the EU is trying make this into a legal battle. 

Playing the victim you say..... The EU wants the UK/USA-like premium service without actually making the effort to get that sort of service. It wants to sell its people the lie that the vaccines produced in Europe are making their out of the continent because of the EU kindness and not because of their terrible laughable late deals. It also wants you to believe that the UK is actively stopping the vaccines from being shipped out when in fact, we're just reaping the reward of signing contracts quickly and swiftly. 

Between the UK and EU, only one of them is actively stopping the vaccines from being shipped out with political interference, and it's not us, we only want what we paid and signed for. The EU wants what it didn't pay for and they're trying to get it by force, it's borderline dictatorial.

And just like Flinten-Uschi (thanks Rol), you're crying "injustice" when in fact, you're behind because the EU was looking for Black Friday deals from vaccine makers, then you dare accuse the UK playing the victim when we're literally minding our own business

"Between the UK and EU, only one of them is actively stopping the vaccines from being shipped out with political interference, and it's not us, we only want what we paid and signed for."


Yes... between the two UK or EU, only one of them is makeing vaccines, and shipping them outsides their borders.
(btw the EU is still shipping out vaccines, it isn't actively stopping them from being shipped out, its thinking about it only)

And its the EU.


"we only want what we paid for"

So does the EU. Its getting screwed over by AZ.
First come, first serve.... doesnt apply, when AZ screwed up its production, and had to take vaccines made in the EU and ship to the UK to fix it.
At the cost of the EU citizens.


You say I'm the one spreading FUD? 
(EU hasnt even started stopping vaccines from being shipped out, while the UK has been doing so for months and months)

Lmao, your the one twisting facts.

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck.... its a duck.

UK isnt allowing any vaccines made in the UK shipped out.
Reguardless of how they went about that. Its still the situation.


EU is "thinking" about not allowing them to be shipped out.
It hasnt actually acted on it (to bad imo), if the UK can be a bish about vaccines, EU should be allowed to as well.
Don't see why EU should be kid gloves and kind to the UK when the UK isnt to the EU.

Nope, The EU doesn't want what it paid for. How to explain it to you in simplest term.. let's give it a go:

  1. The UK paid for the vaccine and express priority shipping on top, hence, it's getting the vaccine first
  2. The EU paid for the vaccine and signed contracts later, express priority shipping was taken off the menu because someone else took it, hence, you're on a waiting list. 
  3. AstraZeneca is obliged to give vaccines to the UK by law, otherwise, they're in big trouble, the only way this will change is when they fulfil their contract or if the UK releases them from their contract. 

A huge difference from how you're trying to paint it, the UK is getting what it paid for, if it meant that no vaccines are being shipped out so be it. Also a huge difference from what Merkel is trying to sell the world with lies like "the EU is sharing vaccines, the rest aren't".

A big fat lie, the EU isn't sharing shit, you have to own something first before you share it, the EU doesn't, but it wants to claim it by force, the totalitarian superstate in its true colors using totalitarian methods. 

To quote the New York Times:

"In short, the answer today is the same as it was in December, Slaoui said. The bloc shopped for vaccines like a customer. The United States basically went into business with the drugmakers, spending much more heavily to accelerate vaccine development, testing and production. “They assumed that simply contracting to acquire doses would be enough,” recalled Slaoui, whom President Donald Trump hired to speed the vaccine development. “In fact what was very important was to be a full, active partner in the development and the manufacturing of the vaccine. And to do so very early.

The result in Europe is a stumbling inoculation effort that has led to political fallout, with leaders pointing fingers over why some of the world’s richest countries, home to factories that churn out vast quantities of vaccine, cannot keep pace with other wealthy nations in injecting its people."

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OMG the obsession in this topic 🙄 the Brexit government has succedded in one thing, we are doomed to hear it until we die 😛

especially the "The EU was looking for cheap deals, the UK was looking for the best deal. No fishy business here. "

do you people even consider the stats?

EU ordered 300m from AZ, UK 100m, it was impossible to keep up with EU deal so they prioritised UK that also trusted the vaccine more (there are about 20m unused doses in the EU) and also approved the vaccine 3 weeks earlier (EU had to get approval from all 27 members), nothing to do with a super quality deal from a super smart Brexit government (highest death ratio in Europe anyone)

UK has vaccinated 30m thus far, the EU has vaccinated 60m, one of the rare cases where EU's size is not in its favor

https://www.politico.eu/article/coronavirus-vaccination-europe-by-the-numbers/
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-18/europe-with-millions-of-doses-unused-is-divided-on-export-ban



don't mind my username, that was more than 10 years ago, I'm a different person now, amazing how people change ^_^

It's really fun to see all this debacle when the EU actually does not like the vaccine, does not believe in it's efficacy, it's people does not believe in it and it's sitting in 10M+ doses not yet used. It's just a demonstration of power because UK of course is using it as a brexit victory.

Now the Italian police raided a vaccine factory to look for hidden UK batches. It's unbelievable. Just imagine when they have their own army.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/03/24/italian-authorities-raid-vaccine-factory-amid-false-fears-astrazeneca/



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do you people even consider the stats?

The "stats" are:

1. AZ is to contractually bound to deliver 120mio doses to the EU. Signed and sealed contracts.

2a). AZ unilaterally cuts the amount to 30mio units

2b). AZ has yet delivered not even close to 30mio units

2c). EU gets really pissed

3. EU inspector thinks AZ hides true manufacturing capacity and has an Italian bottler inspected.

4. Italian police finds 29mio units in the fridge of the factory.

Here is where it is getting interesting:

4a). Italian police says the units were destined for Belgium

4b). Italian newspapers report units were destined for GB

4c). AZ immediately puts out a VEEEEEERY lame press statement 13mio for "poor countries", 16mio for EU

5. EU is even more pissed but key components of other vaccines are made in GB, and their own Trump threatens to stop delivering them in case of retributions/lawsuits.

That's where we're standing now. Lots of ego-fighting by otherwise irrelevant politicians and low-grade british newspapers.



drkohler said:

The "stats" are:

1. AZ is to contractually bound to deliver 120mio doses to the EU. Signed and sealed contracts.

2a). AZ unilaterally cuts the amount to 30mio units

2b). AZ has yet delivered not even close to 30mio units

2c). EU gets really pissed

3. EU inspector thinks AZ hides true manufacturing capacity and has an Italian bottler inspected.

4. Italian police finds 29mio units in the fridge of the factory.

Here is where it is getting interesting:

4a). Italian police says the units were destined for Belgium

4b). Italian newspapers report units were destined for GB

4c). AZ immediately puts out a VEEEEEERY lame press statement 13mio for "poor countries", 16mio for EU

5. EU is even more pissed but key components of other vaccines are made in GB, and their own Trump threatens to stop delivering them in case of retributions/lawsuits.

That's where we're standing now. Lots of ego-fighting by otherwise irrelevant politicians and low-grade british newspapers.

The comedy of errors continues with the EU raiding their own supplies.



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So its been a few months, since last post in this thread, and thought its time to maybe go over whats happend since.

Well so far, UK has failed to get 1 trade deal, that has better terms than what they already had, in terms of deals with said countries, back when they where in the EU. However to make headlines domestically, boris johnson needs trade deals quick, so their currently trying to rope in australia.

However, australia laid down that it wants barrier free trade on meat trade ect, in exchange.
What happends then? well farmers domestically (Uk/Scotland) are saying they wont be able to compete on equal terms with australian ones.
So soon the markets will be flooded with cheaper sheep/lam/cattle, from australia... which will devistate the local farming sector.

Solution? goverment is looking to "force" old / smaller farmers (likely to be impacted) to sell their lands, in exchange for a £100k check and asking them to go into retirement. Idea is that smaller farmers cant compete, so buy up large amounts of lands, and perphaps change production in the area, or just use land for something other.  

(its basically hush money, shut up, take this money, dont make noise, and let us be able to use the australia deal headline to score points politically)

Think Im jokeing? nope.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1394898480456417280.html

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-57157094

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9593771/Boris-Johnson-backs-tariff-free-access-UK-food-markets-Australia.html

* Now, apparently theres also a lack of cheap labour that used to be eastern europeans, that came to the UK whenever it was time to pick fruit/vegatables/flowers.... which has resulted in alot of produce just rotting away, unpicked. Also the market has shrunk..... UK has less trade deals and area's to trade in, than when part of the EU, so prices for goods are probably down too. You gotta feel for the farming industry, brexit is really screwing them over.

Even just loseing out on the EU Common Agricultural Policy (which subsidies, and helps farmers).... UK farming sector is in for some stiff competition.
Not just from the EU side, but from Australia... and you can be sure, if UK does at some point get a deal with the USA, it will once again be screwed over. American hormone treated meats, GMOs, ect....



And to make it all the better:

Old promis's from brexit camp always seem to be broken.
This is just like them promising the fishing industry the moon & sky, and them leaving them high and dry.



Now this is ontop of : The fishing industry, The financial industry, the steel industry.... all takeing a beating for having Brexit, already.

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The UK-Austrialian deal went though.



Its set to grow the UK economy by 0.02% (2/100th of a %) over 15 years.

Exsample:
EU only accepts 19,200 tons of sheep meat, from Australia pr year, tarrif free (for the entire EU).
(so it doesnt destry our markets, for say our sheep farmers)

UK choose to accept more than 25,000 Tons day 1, from Australia pr year (growing over a periode of 5-10years).
If your in the UK, and you previously lived off of sheep farming, this is gonna be a huge blow.
Its like that for Dairy (cheese) + noncheese, and Beef as well.

Huge blow to farming sector in the UK.... for a deal that grows UK economy a estimated 0.02% over a periode of 15 years.
(while probably killing off lart portions of jobs in their own farming sector)



*edit:

I just cant get over how many industries Brexit is effecting negatively.
Fishing, farming, services, banking/financing, steel industry, resturant/entertainment sector, even stuff like shortages of lorry drivers.
(they risk supply issues, to branches of industries simply because they dont have enough qualified people to drive trucks, for their own internal markets, after kicking out all the european drivers lol)

Its like disaster capitalism, a few rich people might benefit from it, while the rest of society just gets screwed over.

*edit 2:
The good news..... wages are on the rise, as certain jobs, are time critical, and there are shortages of hands to go around.
Case in point, Fruit pickers. British farmers are offering upwards of 20£ pr hour now, for pickers, after the usual easter europeans that used to do it for the UK, arn't getting accepted into the country.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1450052/brexit-news-latest-farm-workers-wages-soar-20-an-hour-covid-labour-shortage-fruit-picking

"Farmers estimate 500,000 workers are needed to cultivate the crops, which includes fruit pickers, vegetable packers and drives."

Easy way to generate upto 500k jobs.... just kick out all the europeans, and get UK cititizens to do it instead.
Just gotta find some young folk in good shape, willing to spend 8hours a day back bent, picking up fruit & veg.

"To keep people we have raised wages by 60 percent to nearly £20 per hour for packhouse staff and from this week we are having to pay them to turn up at £20 a day for a weekday and £30 for weekends.

"This now is unsustainable."

Mr Naylor appeared to blame Brexit, and added: "Yes a lot of us voted out [on Brexit] and now we have this problem!"

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The UK-Australia deal is set to have the UK diverge from EU on food stuff.
Because the EU-UK trade is around 50 times bigger than UK-Australia trade, this means that if it results in even just 2% trade loss with EU (likely), it will completely offset the UK-Australia trade.

*Meanwhile leading to conflicts in Northern Island, (over chilled meats/susage war), tarrifs by EU for breaking international law by UK... and while distroying their own farming sector.

Its crazy, and the media isnt even calling Boris out on it.