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KratosLives said:
Don't get the hate. It's a collectors item, a nostalgic gift. Its not meant for someone to be played for hrs on end, More the experience of reliving the past , maybe with friends of that era, and have that good feeling for a while. Even if only for a day or 2 before being stored away on display as a piece of history more or less. I look on youtube and people are actually complaining about graphics and frame rates and performances compared to the originals.. like really?.. the games have aged bad regardless, that's not the point of it.

Sorry man, but a 2018 HW shouldn't be displaying those games from 90's worse than they were on the original HW. If it do that then it doesn't deserve any love.

RolStoppable said:
DonFerrari said:

Ow so it was purely a thread to flame PSMini, ok then.

Yes, this thread was always meant to be about the PS Classic. "One of the biggest fails of the year" is meant to describe the magnitude of its failure, not as an invitation to talk about other failures; otherwise the original post would have asked for the other big failures of 2018.

While the OP's intention is suspect, to put it mildly, you aren't any better with your focus on Labo while ignoring all other failures of 2018. It's a classic Nintendo vs. Sony case. On a sidenote, Labo also has its own thread.

As for flaming the PS Classic, that's not correct. Objects can't be flamed, so that would be trolling. However, something isn't trolling just because it's negative. If something is objectively a failure - and early sales reports suggest that, such as from Japan where the PS Classic debuted to 1/2 and 1/3 of the numbers of the NES Classic and SNES Classic, respectively - then any discussion about said something is bound to be negative.

As I said the other failures of 2018 I can't even remember (and seem like no one else remembered).

I'm pretty sure a flamethrower can flame an object.

And if selling 1/3 of a competitor can be deemed a failure then we can certainly put a lot of things under biggest fails of the year.

Now do OP know the expectation and real sales to compare and determine a failure or is just his gut felling?

Yes Labo have it's thread, where it's been asked if it will have a big increase in sale as several users expected/said during the launch window. Nowhere on OP of that thread or even in most of the comments Labo is being trolled (but of course there are people really defending it, which coincidentally are here complaining of defense of PSMini, which I haven't seem any).



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KratosLives said:
Don't get the hate. It's a collectors item, a nostalgic gift. Its not meant for someone to be played for hrs on end, More the experience of reliving the past , maybe with friends of that era, and have that good feeling for a while. Even if only for a day or 2 before being stored away on display as a piece of history more or less. I look on youtube and people are actually complaining about graphics and frame rates and performances compared to the originals.. like really?.. the games have aged bad regardless, that's not the point of it.

A Collector's Piece that's not intended to actually be played?  That's not what Sony said when they announced it...

Eric Lempel Senior Vice President, PlayStation Worldwide Marketing, SIE:

"Today, we are excited to announce that we are bringing back the original PlayStation experience in a new miniaturized version – PlayStation Classic!
Long-time fans will appreciate the nostalgia that comes with rediscovering the games they know and love, while gamers who might be new to the platform can enjoy the groundbreaking PlayStation console experience that started it all."

Doesn't sound at all like they were positioning it as something that's just supposed to sit on your shelf and not be played.  Sony was very clear about pushing "the PlayStation experience".  That's not targeting a "collector" only.  Also, the people commenting on the announcement were giving their dream list of games they wanted on it.  If this was for "collector's only", and "not meant to actually be played", nobody would care about what games were on it.

BillyBong said:
Don't understand the hate.. Sony knew who they were targeting with this release and folks themselves knew who was going to buy. I bought one for the sheer nostalgic factor as well as hacking it so it can run other games I want it to that weren't included. The mod community is progressing ratherly nicely and soon enough I we'll get a more user friendly mod method similar to hakchi and this thing should blow up. No different from my mini nes or snes. These are consoles I grew up with and for me that was worth the entry price. Yes, you can emulate everything nowadays on anything, but.it makes no difference. Just because I can emulate nes, snes, psx, etc on most my devices, having this little piece of history I can pass down to my 1 yr old boy when he's ready to get into the gaming world justifies it all. 

Also, we can stop with the all the spin about, Sony never intended to sell to people who were looking to actually play the games.  They very intentionally cast a wide net hoping to sucker in unsuspecting consumers at retail.  They charged a premium price for an inferior product.  I also love how people say, it's no big deal, because it can be modded to perform better.  The modding community is a very small percentage of the consumer base who buys video game systems.  Sony knows that.  That's where their announcement PR was specifically targeted towards the average consumer.  It's not the average consumer's responsibility to make a manufacturer's product function properly.  Especially not after shelling out $100 for said product.  People think the PlayStation Classic is unfairly compared to the NES & SNES Classics which is the biggest laugh of all.  Sony invited comparisons against those far superiorly executed products when they decided to give it the exact same name.  Sony wanted to do a fast and cheap holiday cash grab at the expense of the average consumer.  End of story.  

 



Not a good selection of games + several of them ran at 30 Htz, including Tekken 3...

I'm surprised they botched it that hard, but I just hope if there's a PS2 Mini that they go all out and give it the games it deserves.



Mandalore76 said:
KratosLives said:
Don't get the hate. It's a collectors item, a nostalgic gift. Its not meant for someone to be played for hrs on end, More the experience of reliving the past , maybe with friends of that era, and have that good feeling for a while. Even if only for a day or 2 before being stored away on display as a piece of history more or less. I look on youtube and people are actually complaining about graphics and frame rates and performances compared to the originals.. like really?.. the games have aged bad regardless, that's not the point of it.

A Collector's Piece that's not intended to actually be played?  That's not what Sony said when they announced it...

Eric Lempel Senior Vice President, PlayStation Worldwide Marketing, SIE:

"Today, we are excited to announce that we are bringing back the original PlayStation experience in a new miniaturized version – PlayStation Classic!
Long-time fans will appreciate the nostalgia that comes with rediscovering the games they know and love, while gamers who might be new to the platform can enjoy the groundbreaking PlayStation console experience that started it all."

Doesn't sound at all like they were positioning it as something that's just supposed to sit on your shelf and not be played.  Sony was very clear about pushing "the PlayStation experience".  That's not targeting a "collector" only.  Also, the people commenting on the announcement were giving their dream list of games they wanted on it.  If this was for "collector's only", and "not meant to actually be played", nobody would care about what games were on it.

BillyBong said:
Don't understand the hate.. Sony knew who they were targeting with this release and folks themselves knew who was going to buy. I bought one for the sheer nostalgic factor as well as hacking it so it can run other games I want it to that weren't included. The mod community is progressing ratherly nicely and soon enough I we'll get a more user friendly mod method similar to hakchi and this thing should blow up. No different from my mini nes or snes. These are consoles I grew up with and for me that was worth the entry price. Yes, you can emulate everything nowadays on anything, but.it makes no difference. Just because I can emulate nes, snes, psx, etc on most my devices, having this little piece of history I can pass down to my 1 yr old boy when he's ready to get into the gaming world justifies it all. 

Also, we can stop with the all the spin about, Sony never intended to sell to people who were looking to actually play the games.  They very intentionally cast a wide net hoping to sucker in unsuspecting consumers at retail.  They charged a premium price for an inferior product.  I also love how people say, it's no big deal, because it can be modded to perform better.  The modding community is a very small percentage of the consumer base who buys video game systems.  Sony knows that.  That's where their announcement PR was specifically targeted towards the average consumer.  It's not the average consumer's responsibility to make a manufacturer's product function properly.  Especially not after shelling out $100 for said product.  People think the PlayStation Classic is unfairly compared to the NES & SNES Classics which is the biggest laugh of all.  Sony invited comparisons against those far superiorly executed products when they decided to give it the exact same name.  Sony wanted to do a fast and cheap holiday cash grab at the expense of the average consumer.  End of story.  

 

Continue the hate dude.  Why I purchased has squat to do with whatever Sony's prerogative was and more so that I wanted it because Sony offered it.  The modding community may be small, but modding is also the reason why I purchase such systems.  Same as why I purchased a Wii, a 3ds, a PSP, etc.  Nobody tells you how to spend your money.. why feel the need to find justification in yourself because you didn't purchase such system.  Pat yourself on the back, you didn't purchase the system.  Who cares.  I've been gaming since the mid 80's.. I know what I'm buying and what I'm not.  I don't need another's opinion or a public review to feel like I got my money's worth.  Not sure why it should matter to you also.  I feel I got my money's worth.. you feel it wasn't.. cool.  As for product functioning properly.. it does.  Modding has squat to do with functioning.. only addition to what's currently offered.  Same as with the NES and SNES classic.  No emulation is ever going match original hardware.  The flaws of the psx mini is minor but the potential supercedes it. it's not going ttbe everyone's cup of tea. 

Last edited by BillyBong - on 14 December 2018

Man.. I hate it when your girl has to leave my place to come back to you..

It's sold 120,000 units in Japan in one week, so I think this will do OK, a nice little profit maker for Sony, will buy one myself January time



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BillyBong said:
Mandalore76 said:

A Collector's Piece that's not intended to actually be played?  That's not what Sony said when they announced it...

Eric Lempel Senior Vice President, PlayStation Worldwide Marketing, SIE:

"Today, we are excited to announce that we are bringing back the original PlayStation experience in a new miniaturized version – PlayStation Classic!
Long-time fans will appreciate the nostalgia that comes with rediscovering the games they know and love, while gamers who might be new to the platform can enjoy the groundbreaking PlayStation console experience that started it all."

Doesn't sound at all like they were positioning it as something that's just supposed to sit on your shelf and not be played.  Sony was very clear about pushing "the PlayStation experience".  That's not targeting a "collector" only.  Also, the people commenting on the announcement were giving their dream list of games they wanted on it.  If this was for "collector's only", and "not meant to actually be played", nobody would care about what games were on it.

Also, we can stop with the all the spin about, Sony never intended to sell to people who were looking to actually play the games.  They very intentionally cast a wide net hoping to sucker in unsuspecting consumers at retail.  They charged a premium price for an inferior product.  I also love how people say, it's no big deal, because it can be modded to perform better.  The modding community is a very small percentage of the consumer base who buys video game systems.  Sony knows that.  That's where their announcement PR was specifically targeted towards the average consumer.  It's not the average consumer's responsibility to make a manufacturer's product function properly.  Especially not after shelling out $100 for said product.  People think the PlayStation Classic is unfairly compared to the NES & SNES Classics which is the biggest laugh of all.  Sony invited comparisons against those far superiorly executed products when they decided to give it the exact same name.  Sony wanted to do a fast and cheap holiday cash grab at the expense of the average consumer.  End of story.  

 

Continue the hate dude.  Why I purchased has squat to do with whatever Sony's prerogative was and more so that I wanted it because Sony offered it.  The modding community may be small, but modding is also the reason why I purchase such systems.  Same as why I purchased a Wii, a 3ds, a PSP, etc.  Nobody tells you how to spend your money.. why feel the need to find justification in yourself because you didn't purchase such system.  Pat yourself on the back, you didn't purchase the system.  Who cares.  I've been gaming since the mid 80's.. I know what I'm buying and what I'm not.  I don't need another's opinion or a public review to feel like I got my money's worth.  Not sure why it should matter to you also.  I feel I got my money's worth.. you feel it wasn't.. cool.  As for product functioning properly.. it does.  Modding has squat to do with functioning.. only addition to what's currently offered.  Same as with the NES and SNES classic.  No emulation is ever going match original hardware.  The flaws of the psx mini is minor but the potential supercedes it. it's not going ttbe everyone's cup of tea. 

lol.  First you say that Sony knew who they were targeting with the release, implying that it was supposed to be some kind of love letter to the modding community rather than the general impulse buying public.  Then, you immediately contradict yourself by stating Sony's "prerogative" with the release doesn't matter.  And, I'm a "hater" now because I won't shell out $100 to Sony for a product that I would have to make worthwhile on my own after purchase.  Sorry, it doesn't work that way.  It's on the manufacturer to release their product in an already worthwhile state.  It's not on the end consumer to make the manufacturer's product worth it.  If Sony had released a mini console that wasn't choked with filler titles that don't even represent the system they are supposedly attempting to recapture nostalgia for, if they hadn't been so lazy as to use the PAL versions for 50% of the titles they were putting inside a NA released mini, if would have put even the slightest care of making the presentation of the games more enjoyable by adding filters or scanlines; if they had done any of those things that other mini console manufacturers do, then I would have gladly bought one.  But no, I must just be some "Sony hater" because I recognize a lazily, bare minimum invested, rushed out for Christmas cash grab when I see one.  



phinch1 said:
It's sold 120,000 units in Japan in one week, so I think this will do OK, a nice little profit maker for Sony, will buy one myself January time

Now imagine how much better it would have sold if Sony had put the effort into making it a quality product.

"According to a report by MCV based on sales figures provided by Japanese games website Famitsu, the tiny NES Classic Mini has sold over 263k units in its first 4 days on store shelves."

"369,000 SNES Classic units sold within its first four days of release, based on these numbers from Famitsu."



KratosLives said:
Don't get the hate. It's a collectors item, a nostalgic gift. Its not meant for someone to be played for hrs on end, More the experience of reliving the past , maybe with friends of that era, and have that good feeling for a while. Even if only for a day or 2 before being stored away on display as a piece of history more or less. I look on youtube and people are actually complaining about graphics and frame rates and performances compared to the originals.. like really?.. the games have aged bad regardless, that's not the point of it.

The fuck is this? These are supposed to be like 20 classic games worth revisiting. That could take a couple hundred hours to really play everything. A good number of hours even if you just focus on games that personally appeal to you.

This is emulation, that means the potential to make simple improvmens to graphics and performance exist as well. I mean look PS2 emulation on PS4, OG Xbox emulation on a X1. You actually get improved resolutions, performance, so its a better way to experience those classic (still enjoyable) games.

We can excuse the PS Mini does nothing to improve resolutions, even if it could be easily done. We can even excuse the library selected is underwhelming, its missing notable content that should have be easy to acquire. But the performance should be better than native hardware, not worse! The games are slower, there is some emulation bugs, the sound isn't quite right, its just a half assed job. Its a terrible tribute to the PS1 and wasted fan service. Releasing a bad product just feels like a cash grab, they did a bad job but they wanted the holiday money.

Nintendo did a better job with the NES mini and SNES mini. They did at a lower price, the emulation is better, you get more games and they did a better job selecting the definitive titles of those platforms. It doesn't take high end specs to emulate PS1 either, I have low end Android phones that do it better than the PS1 mini. Sony dropped the ball and they deserve the criticism. That's how you get them to not do this shit again.



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