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setsunatenshi said:
eva01beserk said:

Like I said before, these people have no argument. They express their feeling but no actual facts when they have nothing of worth to say. 

I also believe its a strategy the feminist started using that Since men cant experience what they feel during rape, then they cant argue with them about how they think its worst thing in the world. Even worst than murder. Its a way to shut down an argument by saying basically they cant weigh in since they dont have the experience. Like the no uterus no opinion on abortion thing.  

I was kind of with you on the argument until you brought in the abortion thing to misrepresent the pro choice principle. It's not like you can't have an opinion on abortion, but the principle of self determination overwhelms your opinions on it. It's 100% a woman's choice how she intends to use her body and no one can impose the physical drain of carrying anything within her body against her will.

 

Her body, her choice, period. 

I never said that I dont agree with that. Im 100% with the my body my choice. I used it to show that the type of argument was used before. And while I do agree at the end of the day is the womans final choice, that should never mean that a man cant have an opinion on the matter. Specially if is a man involved like the father.



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eva01beserk said:
setsunatenshi said:

I was kind of with you on the argument until you brought in the abortion thing to misrepresent the pro choice principle. It's not like you can't have an opinion on abortion, but the principle of self determination overwhelms your opinions on it. It's 100% a woman's choice how she intends to use her body and no one can impose the physical drain of carrying anything within her body against her will.

 

Her body, her choice, period. 

I never said that I dont agree with that. Im 100% with the my body my choice. I used it to show that the type of argument was used before. And while I do agree at the end of the day is the womans final choice, that should never mean that a man cant have an opinion on the matter. Specially if is a man involved like the father.

that's fine, anyone can have an opinion on whatever it is, but it's absolutely irrelevant what the opinion is and it's  up to the woman to take it or leave it. 



lf the argument is about “feelings of safety” rather than “actual risk”, then wouldn’t that mean that there is a “fear of rape” culture rather than an actual rape culture?



setsunatenshi said:
eva01beserk said:

I never said that I dont agree with that. Im 100% with the my body my choice. I used it to show that the type of argument was used before. And while I do agree at the end of the day is the womans final choice, that should never mean that a man cant have an opinion on the matter. Specially if is a man involved like the father.

that's fine, anyone can have an opinion on whatever it is, but it's absolutely irrelevant what the opinion is and it's  up to the woman to take it or leave it. 

Thats fine. But when the woman chooses to have a man support her and her baby, then I believe a man needs to have some power.  If the choice of the woman does not impact anyone else but herself, then yes, nobody can stop her.



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eva01beserk said:
setsunatenshi said:

that's fine, anyone can have an opinion on whatever it is, but it's absolutely irrelevant what the opinion is and it's  up to the woman to take it or leave it. 

Thats fine. But when the woman chooses to have a man support her and her baby, then I believe a man needs to have some power.  If the choice of the woman does not impact anyone else but herself, then yes, nobody can stop her.

that's the main point here, in the same way he has no right to impose his will on her body, I do believe the same thing should happen to the man's defense. if he has no intention of having a child and informs the woman of this fact, by deciding to keep the child it means she's assuming 100% rights and responsibility over said child. 

 

I know that the laws in most countries tend to be extremely biased against men in these matters and that's something I'd love to see the sjw types fighting on behalf of true equality. 



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setsunatenshi said:
eva01beserk said:

Thats fine. But when the woman chooses to have a man support her and her baby, then I believe a man needs to have some power.  If the choice of the woman does not impact anyone else but herself, then yes, nobody can stop her.

that's the main point here, in the same way he has no right to impose his will on her body, I do believe the same thing should happen to the man's defense. if he has no intention of having a child and informs the woman of this fact, by deciding to keep the child it means she's assuming 100% rights and responsibility over said child. 

 

I know that the laws in most countries tend to be extremely biased against men in these matters and that's something I'd love to see the sjw types fighting on behalf of true equality. 

well look at that we actually agree 100% just some miscommunication at the beginning.  I wish SJW's see that it might look like 2 groups dont agree but by actually talking things can be resolved and screeching and whinnying wont do much. 



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eva01beserk said:
setsunatenshi said:

that's the main point here, in the same way he has no right to impose his will on her body, I do believe the same thing should happen to the man's defense. if he has no intention of having a child and informs the woman of this fact, by deciding to keep the child it means she's assuming 100% rights and responsibility over said child. 

 

I know that the laws in most countries tend to be extremely biased against men in these matters and that's something I'd love to see the sjw types fighting on behalf of true equality. 

well look at that we actually agree 100% just some miscommunication at the beginning.  I wish SJW's see that it might look like 2 groups dont agree but by actually talking things can be resolved and screeching and whinnying wont do much. 

sure, it's just about keeping things rational and leaving emotions out of it. more people would find common ground if they engaged in a conversation with this approach



setsunatenshi said:
eva01beserk said:

well look at that we actually agree 100% just some miscommunication at the beginning.  I wish SJW's see that it might look like 2 groups dont agree but by actually talking things can be resolved and screeching and whinnying wont do much. 

sure, it's just about keeping things rational and leaving emotions out of it. more people would find common ground if they engaged in a conversation with this approach

Thank god I keped my cool, I was about to accuse you of rape if you disagree with me one more time. 



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eva01beserk said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Bullshit, conservative take rape seriously. Liberals simply act like lunatics about it and go on witch hunts. If anything conservatives are sick of dems using rape for political gains.

If people want to discourage rape, I absolutely support that on paper. But maybe we should also discourage gang murders which are among the more preventable types of murder with law enforcement. It seems to be a big problem in left wing controlled cities. But going after gangs becomes a racial issue of course so lets ignore it.

Exactly this. I would even add that its democrats who trivialize rape by making any little thing rape. They are trying to make any unconfort a woman feels a form of rape and want the same punishment for it.

While I would not have a problem if they are actually trying to witch hunt actual rapist, I think nobody would be against that, but like all witch hunts it started with something substantial and now they want to lump rapist in the same category as like the anziz anzari case, someone wo just had a bad date.

I don't agree the Aziz Ansari thing was just a bad date. Assuming what the girl said was true and Aziz didn't seem to deny what she said, it did come off kinda rapey. I mean she kept pulling away, while she didn't leave, it sounds like he kept being sexually aggressive. If a girl give an indication she doesn't want sex, but doesn't leave, I recommend not continuing to push sex. Either just hangout or tell her to leave, either would be better than what Aziz allegedly did. Its just funny this happened to Aziz given he acts like he understands and respects women, then jams his finger down her throat and keeps trying to fuck. A bad date is when there is lack of chemistry or a connection, being sexually aggressive is different category.



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