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SpokenTruth said:

Jackson Katz, a social researcher, asked men what they do on a daily basis to avoid being sexually assaulted. Then he asked women.

 

 

  • Rape culture is when women who come forward are questioned about what they were wearing.
  • Rape culture is when survivors who come forward are asked, “Were you drinking?”
  • Rape culture is when people say, “she was asking for it.”
  • Rape culture is when we teach women how to not get raped, instead of teaching men not to rape.
  • Rape culture is when the lyrics of Robin Thicke’s ‘Blurred Lines’ mirror the words of actual rapists and was the number one song in the country.
  • Rape culture is when the mainstream media mourns the end of the convicted Steubenville rapists’ football careers and does not mention the young girl who was victimized.
  • Rape culture is when cyberbullies take pictures of sexual assaults and harass their victims online after the fact, which in the cases of Audrie Pott and Rehtaeh Parsons tragically ended in their suicides.
  • Rape culture is when, in 31 states, rapists can legally sue for child custody if the rape results in pregnancy.
  • Rape culture is when college campus advisers tasked with supporting the student body, shame survivors who report their rapes. (Annie Clark, a campus activist, says an administrator at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill told her when she reported her rape, “Well… Rape is like football, if you look back on the game, and you’re the quarterback, Annie… is there anything you would have done differently?”)
  • Rape culture is when colleges are more concerned with getting sued by assailants than in supporting survivors. (Or at Occidental College, where students and administrators who advocated for survivors were terrorized for speaking out against the school’s insufficient reporting procedures.)

 

3. A judge who sentenced only 30 days in jail to a 50-year-old man who raped a 14-year-old girl (who later committed suicide), and defended that the girl was “older than her chronological age.”

4. Mothers who blame girls for posting sexy selfies and leading their sons into sin, instead of talking with their sons about their responsibility for their own sexual expression.

6. Supporting athletes who are charged with rape and calling their victims career-destroyers.

7. Companies that create decals of a woman bound and gagged in order to “promote their business.”

8. People who believe that girls “allow themselves to be raped.”

9. Journalists who substitute the word “sex” for “rape” – as if they’re the same thing.

10. Politicians distinguishing “legitimate rape” and stating that rape is “something that God intended to happen,” among other horrendous claims.

11. Calling college students who have the courage to report their rapes liars.

12. The ubiquity of street harassment – and how victims are told that they’re “overreacting” when they call it out.

13. Victims not being taken seriously when they report rapes to their university campuses.

14. Rape jokes – and people who defend them.

15. Sexual assault prevention education programs that focus on women being told to take measures to prevent rape instead of men being told not to rape.

16. The victimization of hospital patients, especially people with mental health issues and the elderly,  by the very people who are there to protect them.

17. Reddit threads with titles like “You just have to make sure she’s dead” when linking to the story of a 13-year-old girl in Pakistan being raped and buried alive.

18. Reddit threads dedicated to men causing women pain during sex (I’m not going to give the thread credence by linking to it).

19. Twitter hashtags that support accused rapists and blame victims.

20. Publicly defending celebrities accused of rape just because they’re celebrities and ignoring or denouncing what the victim has to say.

21. Assuming that false reporting for sexual assault cases are the norm, when in reality, they’re only 2-8%, which is on par with grand theft auto.

22. Only 3% of rapists ever serving a day in jail.

23. Women feeling less safe walking the streets at night than men do.

24. 1-in-5 women and 1-in-71 men having reported experiencing rape.

25. The fact that we have to condition ourselves not to use violent language in our everyday conversations.

 

We have a rape culture when the first thing we consider about the rape victim is why didn't they do something to prevent it and the first thing we consider about the alleged rapist is how this will impact his future.

 

Is your mind changed yet?

Nope, if you're talking about the US or any other civilized country, you're entirely wrong. Just because there are isolated yey unfortunate situations (the legitimate ones) like you listed, it does not make it "part of the "culture". Car accidents happen all the time does it make it a car accident culture? Nope, now if there were laws (similar to Sharia Law) that defended  certain acts and was accepted by the majority of the population then yes, it would be "part of the culture". 



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TheLegendaryWolf said:

Nope, if you're talking about the US or any other civilized country, you're entirely wrong. Just because there are isolated yey unfortunate situations (the legitimate ones) like you listed, it does not make it "part of the "culture". Car accidents happen all the time does it make it a car accident culture? Nope, now if there were laws (similar to Sharia Law) that defended  certain acts and was accepted by the majority of the population then yes, it would be "part of the culture". 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b1XGPvbWn0A

Thing is though it really isn't that isolated. And I don't think a country can really be classed as civilised when this happens. And the fact that so many people thing this is all an over-reaction shows is practically is accepted.



TheLegendaryWolf said:
SpokenTruth said:

Jackson Katz, a social researcher, asked men what they do on a daily basis to avoid being sexually assaulted. Then he asked women.

 

 

  • Rape culture is when women who come forward are questioned about what they were wearing.
  • Rape culture is when survivors who come forward are asked, “Were you drinking?”
  • Rape culture is when people say, “she was asking for it.”
  • Rape culture is when we teach women how to not get raped, instead of teaching men not to rape.
  • Rape culture is when the lyrics of Robin Thicke’s ‘Blurred Lines’ mirror the words of actual rapists and was the number one song in the country.
  • Rape culture is when the mainstream media mourns the end of the convicted Steubenville rapists’ football careers and does not mention the young girl who was victimized.
  • Rape culture is when cyberbullies take pictures of sexual assaults and harass their victims online after the fact, which in the cases of Audrie Pott and Rehtaeh Parsons tragically ended in their suicides.
  • Rape culture is when, in 31 states, rapists can legally sue for child custody if the rape results in pregnancy.
  • Rape culture is when college campus advisers tasked with supporting the student body, shame survivors who report their rapes. (Annie Clark, a campus activist, says an administrator at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill told her when she reported her rape, “Well… Rape is like football, if you look back on the game, and you’re the quarterback, Annie… is there anything you would have done differently?”)
  • Rape culture is when colleges are more concerned with getting sued by assailants than in supporting survivors. (Or at Occidental College, where students and administrators who advocated for survivors were terrorized for speaking out against the school’s insufficient reporting procedures.)

 

3. A judge who sentenced only 30 days in jail to a 50-year-old man who raped a 14-year-old girl (who later committed suicide), and defended that the girl was “older than her chronological age.”

4. Mothers who blame girls for posting sexy selfies and leading their sons into sin, instead of talking with their sons about their responsibility for their own sexual expression.

6. Supporting athletes who are charged with rape and calling their victims career-destroyers.

7. Companies that create decals of a woman bound and gagged in order to “promote their business.”

8. People who believe that girls “allow themselves to be raped.”

9. Journalists who substitute the word “sex” for “rape” – as if they’re the same thing.

10. Politicians distinguishing “legitimate rape” and stating that rape is “something that God intended to happen,” among other horrendous claims.

11. Calling college students who have the courage to report their rapes liars.

12. The ubiquity of street harassment – and how victims are told that they’re “overreacting” when they call it out.

13. Victims not being taken seriously when they report rapes to their university campuses.

14. Rape jokes – and people who defend them.

15. Sexual assault prevention education programs that focus on women being told to take measures to prevent rape instead of men being told not to rape.

16. The victimization of hospital patients, especially people with mental health issues and the elderly,  by the very people who are there to protect them.

17. Reddit threads with titles like “You just have to make sure she’s dead” when linking to the story of a 13-year-old girl in Pakistan being raped and buried alive.

18. Reddit threads dedicated to men causing women pain during sex (I’m not going to give the thread credence by linking to it).

19. Twitter hashtags that support accused rapists and blame victims.

20. Publicly defending celebrities accused of rape just because they’re celebrities and ignoring or denouncing what the victim has to say.

21. Assuming that false reporting for sexual assault cases are the norm, when in reality, they’re only 2-8%, which is on par with grand theft auto.

22. Only 3% of rapists ever serving a day in jail.

23. Women feeling less safe walking the streets at night than men do.

24. 1-in-5 women and 1-in-71 men having reported experiencing rape.

25. The fact that we have to condition ourselves not to use violent language in our everyday conversations.

 

We have a rape culture when the first thing we consider about the rape victim is why didn't they do something to prevent it and the first thing we consider about the alleged rapist is how this will impact his future.

 

Is your mind changed yet?

Nope, if you're talking about the US or any other civilized country, you're entirely wrong. Just because there are isolated yey unfortunate situations (the legitimate ones) like you listed, it does not make it "part of the "culture". Car accidents happen all the time does it make it a car accident culture? Nope, now if there were laws (similar to Sharia Law) that defended  certain acts and was accepted by the majority of the population then yes, it would be "part of the culture". 

How much different is that than asking both men and woman, what do you do on a daily basis to avoid getting falsely accused of sexual assault?

Woman - 'Nothing. We don't ever think about it'.

Men - 'We never, ever, look at, or breathe near, a female, or lgbt, without consulting our lawyer first' + 'we ran out of space, do you have more paper?'

Do we live in a 'false accusation culture?'



EricHiggin said:

How much different is that than asking both men and woman, what do you do on a daily basis to avoid getting falsely accused of sexual assault?

Woman - 'Nothing. We don't ever think about it'.

Men - 'We never, ever, look at, or breathe near, a female, or lgbt, without consulting our lawyer first' + 'we ran out of space, do you have more paper?'

Do we live in a 'false accusation culture?'

Sooo, you're claiming that the last year or so has resulted in a massive increase in false rape and sexual harassment accusations against men? Got any proof of that?



shikamaru317 said:
SecondWar said:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b1XGPvbWn0A

Thing is though it really isn't that isolated. And I don't think a country can really be classed as civilised when this happens. And the fact that so many people thing this is all an over-reaction shows is practically is accepted.

Considering that was over the course of 10 hours in a highly populated city with high crime rates, it's really not that many guys hitting on her all things considered. Statistically speaking she will have walked past a few thousand men during those 10 hours, having only 30 or so hit on her is not alot (they claim 100+, but I'm sure they would have put them in the video if there were actually that many). Also, some of those comments in the video can't even be classified as harassment, they classified "how are you this morning" and "have a nice evening" as street harassment, here in rural America we call that being friendly and having good manners. 

Wasnt that proven false already? They said that she got almost nothing by walking in the regular city so they had to go to harlem and other bad parts to get any traction. dind they get backlash from this as well cuz by doing that scumy thing only minoritys where doing the "harasment" so that chick backpedal inmediatly and blamed the producers and sold them out. If this is the best evidence they got then they are really shuting their eyes only looking at what they want.



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OlfinBedwere said:
EricHiggin said:

How much different is that than asking both men and woman, what do you do on a daily basis to avoid getting falsely accused of sexual assault?

Woman - 'Nothing. We don't ever think about it'.

Men - 'We never, ever, look at, or breathe near, a female, or lgbt, without consulting our lawyer first' + 'we ran out of space, do you have more paper?'

Do we live in a 'false accusation culture?'

Sooo, you're claiming that the last year or so has resulted in a massive increase in false rape and sexual harassment accusations against men? Got any proof of that?

Did you not see the kavenaugh hearing? Acusations with zero evidence at all almost ruined that mans life.

How about recently the anzis anzari thing, one bad date and he got acused of rape and lost everything.

The talking dead guy, again zero evidence, investigation was made, cleared him and people still call him a rapist.

Mattres girl, who loved the rouf sex, heard another girl got the same frm him, acused him of rape.

Asian argento, theres a F**king picture of them laying bed together cuddling with a minor and she still trying to acuse the boy of rape.

You are just in denial if you think cases arent poping up all the time.

Me to was a weapon that got overused, now people just stoped being afraid of it and are fighting back. You SJW's just have yourselfs to blame.



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On the OP. It just shows when the left has no argument, they get emotional and claim their feelings are somehow an argument. Good thing people are seeing throw that already.



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eva01beserk said:

Did you not see the kavenaugh hearing? Acusations with zero evidence at all almost ruined that mans life.

How about recently the anzis anzari thing, one bad date and he got acused of rape and lost everything.

The talking dead guy, again zero evidence, investigation was made, cleared him and people still call him a rapist.

Mattres girl, who loved the rouf sex, heard another girl got the same frm him, acused him of rape.

Asian argento, theres a F**king picture of them laying bed together cuddling with a minor and she still trying to acuse the boy of rape.

You are just in denial if you think cases arent poping up all the time.

Me to was a weapon that got overused, now people just stoped being afraid of it and are fighting back. You SJW's just have yourselfs to blame.

Firstly, that's not what I asked. You implied that men were at as much risk of being falsely accused of sexual harassment and/or rape as women were of actually having those crimes happen to them. Regardless of those high-profile examples you cited, do you have any proof that this is something happening in wider society?

Secondly, you do understand that "unproven accusation" doesn't automatically equate to "false accusation", right?



OlfinBedwere said:
eva01beserk said:

Did you not see the kavenaugh hearing? Acusations with zero evidence at all almost ruined that mans life.

How about recently the anzis anzari thing, one bad date and he got acused of rape and lost everything.

The talking dead guy, again zero evidence, investigation was made, cleared him and people still call him a rapist.

Mattres girl, who loved the rouf sex, heard another girl got the same frm him, acused him of rape.

Asian argento, theres a F**king picture of them laying bed together cuddling with a minor and she still trying to acuse the boy of rape.

You are just in denial if you think cases arent poping up all the time.

Me to was a weapon that got overused, now people just stoped being afraid of it and are fighting back. You SJW's just have yourselfs to blame.

Firstly, that's not what I asked. You implied that men were at as much risk of being falsely accused of sexual harassment and/or rape as women were of actually having those crimes happen to them. Regardless of those high-profile examples you cited, do you have any proof that this is something happening in wider society?

Secondly, you do understand that "unproven accusation" doesn't automatically equate to "false accusation", right?

on the same metric, how do you actually determine the risk of being falsly accused is not just as high as the one of actually being raped? a rape accusation does not correspond to an actual rape until it's proven, right?

 

Basically what I'm saying is you're correctly calling him out on on equating one "risk" to the other, but it goes both ways. Someone added in a comment women had a 1/5 chance to get raped and I fail to see how that's any more valid than his false rape accusation argument. 



OlfinBedwere said:
eva01beserk said:

Did you not see the kavenaugh hearing? Acusations with zero evidence at all almost ruined that mans life.

How about recently the anzis anzari thing, one bad date and he got acused of rape and lost everything.

The talking dead guy, again zero evidence, investigation was made, cleared him and people still call him a rapist.

Mattres girl, who loved the rouf sex, heard another girl got the same frm him, acused him of rape.

Asian argento, theres a F**king picture of them laying bed together cuddling with a minor and she still trying to acuse the boy of rape.

You are just in denial if you think cases arent poping up all the time.

Me to was a weapon that got overused, now people just stoped being afraid of it and are fighting back. You SJW's just have yourselfs to blame.

Firstly, that's not what I asked. You implied that men were at as much risk of being falsely accused of sexual harassment and/or rape as women were of actually having those crimes happen to them. Regardless of those high-profile examples you cited, do you have any proof that this is something happening in wider society?

Secondly, you do understand that "unproven accusation" doesn't automatically equate to "false accusation", right?

I have as much evidence as you do for the contrary. Wich is no more than anecdotal if you exclude theese high profile cases. I mean I could say that the police and/or fbi report says 1 in 1000 women actually are some kind of victim, witch also does not mean actual rape, yet you will disregard it cuz you just dont want to belive it.

On your second point, that to me seams ovbious, but does that to you mean that there is always something true to it that just hasent been found? Because I dont beelive that. I also dont believe that every women is just out to get a man for revenge for any little thing. But you see theese high profile cases like the recent hearing and you can just garantee that there is political motivation and I will lean to its a lie. And im glad the higher ups also lean in that direction. Remember, we live in a country where is innocent untill proven guilty, not guilty until proven innocent.



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