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Forums - Politics Discussion - Dalai lama says "Refugees should go home to develop their own countries"

To be fair the man has a point, a country suffers from a huge braindrain if a big part of the population leave and doesn't come back, because they build up a live elsewhere. Suriname for instant did suffer when a large part of its population emigratie to NL.  Suriname was still part of NL that time, but the same counts for refugees.

Take any random country which have suffered a major war. Countries don't rebuild themselves it requires knowledge, lots of work and a shit ton of money. Now while I agree the US and Europe should pay their fair share for that since they usually blow said country to pieces. Since they love interfering in conflicts they should not. Said that from the start in Syria, but look at what happened the country is blown to pieces and the next IS has a new birthplace.

It doesn't however mean that Europe and the US should rebuild all the countries which suffered a major war. In the end a country should rebuild and restructured by its people otherwise Europe and US are basically making vassal state or even worse new colonies and we or at least I would not want that.

On the other hand western Europe is pretty much a US vassal state since 1946 when US paid for rebuilding western Europe because of the Russian thread. The EU support all US war efforts without a doubt or asking many question. Refugees should go back when its save not for the sake of themselves or for the sake of US and EU, but for the sake of the country and the people that remained so they can rebuild the country. 

Last edited by Qwark - on 16 September 2018

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Pyro as Bill said:
Replicant said:

Yeah... So let's not forget that e.g. USA and Russia have zero interest in ending warfare (it prints money).

If only that were true longterm.

Since when have USA and Russia been thinking long term?



John2290 said:
fauzman said:

I have to say that I find this kind of thinking to be the kind of bullshit that people with prejudices and trump-ites would say. As Dulfite has said, realistically speaking these people are likely those who have suffered huge traumas, especially children and returning back to country of origin is not a possibility. It is possible for them to get work and support their countries (I am sure a number of refugees that do well and get work probably do send money home). Also I dont know where you are getting your ideas  of refugees staying on welfare and committing crimes comes from.

From what I understand and have herad, here in New Zealand, it is considered that refugees generally work harder, are more willing to take lower paying jobs and contribute more to their new countries (I have tried to find literature to support this but havent so far). I am sure that is the case also where you are from. 

 

Economic migrants work harder yes, this is not the case with the refugees in Europe, it is quite the opposite, it brings crime, Muslims bring racism to other minorities especially black people, it impacts the economy negatively, the tac payer pays for people t o beg on the streets all day and harrass citizens for money and there is a massive, massive culture clash among more serious crime like rape and murder and unprovoked attacks. This isn't mexicans adding to the US economy or Polish spreading out to return money to their country to rebuild. I've seen the latter here in Ireland and it was successful for both Irish and Polish people, same goes for African and Asian immigrants aroubd the same time and later, they work hard at jobs that pay shit and add to the economy while sending money back to their own economy. The current refugee crisis which, In ireland is a small microcosm and a hint of the troubles compared to continental Europe is a far cry from the benefits of economic migrants. The media will have you belive immigrants, migrants and refugees are the one and the same. They are not. 

That said, not all refugees have caused these problems, we took in an influx of Burmese refugee in 2007, some placed in my town and one family as our next door neighbours. They didn't speak a lick of English and it was extremely hard to communicate, they all slept on the floor in the living room of a fully furnished 5 bedroom house as they didn't understand among other cultural issues by 2009 they all spoke some english and upon meeting some of them again in 2012, as my Niece had made friends with one of the young lads, they were all fluent in English as far as i could see and the family of 8 as well as the extended family around the town had made something of  themselves. They came from the most war torn countries where they were forced to eat dogs and rodents to survive and were litterally skin and bone in 2008 with visible PTSD and as far as I know they are more Irish now, than I am. 

This does not happen with current refugees nor is there any effort on the current middle eastern refugees part, many which i'd imagine are coming for the welfare and not fleeing war, obviously many are but from what I can see the majority are opportunists.

This is why i think the Dalai Lamas words are wise here and I would hope they will listen if media stop shouting racism. It would benifet everyone, the refugees and the migrants among them as well as Europeans if they would work towards rebuilding to return home or at the very least work to build a home here. 

Where is your proof that this is the rule rather than the exception? Yes before you say so I have heard about the issues in Germany and other european countries from the refugees that have come in. But as with any subset and any migrants, I expect that to be the 1% who are doing really really stupid things and need to be jailed/prosecuted as with any other criminals. I am sure the majority would be hard working people who would be working hard and working to assimilate rather than trouble makers. 



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John2290 said:

First of all, I don't appreciated the Discord vigilantes, you and ALA are not the Batman and Robin of VGchartz, as cool as it might be to rally that kind of mentality, trolling of percieved trolls is why everyone is pointing the finger at each other and calling racist. Using discord groups to get your point across in threads is needless. 

Secondly, if it is true that you put in a good word for me, I am very appreciative and will in fact thank you as I've been stuck in pain the last week and VGchartz really helps to keep me from falling into an opiate induced coma. Thank you. It's appreciated more than you and Singlestar know. 

Thirdly, while I stand by many of my threads, Including one of the ones you posted, as I still feel very strongly about these issues and I still, after much discussion online, very little offline (it's impossible to discuss here) have yet to change much of my overall opinion, while small things have changed as in ones thread there. The 'changing of race in delaware schools' I remember having the actually news story about that reveal itself more as the thread went on my opinion was ultimately changed, even if only a small degree and I'm not against it much at all now if done under proper case by case basis so noone attempts to gain affirmative action by simply changing their race. I will be refraining from the politics section, at least from making threads after this thread runs it's course, I have re read some of my topic posts here and they are extremely cringey and unrepresentative of what I stand for and I can see why bringing an issue to Vgchartz like that would get me lumped in with the issue itself and then there is no room for devils adocate or opinion in the thread on my own part, especially if it aligns with the issue in a negative way or news I raise. That is indeed a conundrum and one I don't see worth it as I don't see the point of posting issues I'm not interested in or want to gauge the opinion of on here and I'll usually jump on that of the most ridiculous and fringe topics. I'll still give my unaltered opinion of course nor is this because if this exchange, I was bound to look over those threads at some point and come to the same conclusion. 

While saying 'you three know' my opinions and views, you really don't. You can't look through my thread history and gauge someones political beliefs on that, like I said in my post last night opinions change all to often and perspectives change on the weekly. This is why we put those views out there, to have them challenged. It litterally can not happen unless we do so, and while most of my posts are shock content and really fringe stuff, it's mainly stuff I can't exactly bring up in real life and have to talk about it on here regardless of the opinon I form. 

I won't be editing this as I'm going to loose conection so I apologize for grammar and mispelling in advance. Peace out. 

Edit. Well, I guess I am editing. 

I see that you are still conflicted regarding what to think about this. You say that you don't appreciate vigilant actions and then immediately follow up by being grateful for them. By the way, ALA being in this thread has nothing to do with a coordinated effort.

Anyway, it's understandable that you aren't exactly happy about this, because I've been playing a mischievous game. From your perspective, it's easy to view it as an attack, but it actually presents an opportunity. I am honest with you about how a large portion of the community thinks of you, and how you are perceived isn't flattering. However, at the same time I am using my influence on this forum to provide support to you; I let people know that you aren't as bad as they think, and that you should be given a chance. This back and forth we have had here allowed people to see the side of yours that I knew existed, but usually gets lost in the shuffle of heated political discussions.



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John2290 said:

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Edit. Well, I guess I am editing. Also, may I ask why you did help me if you believe me to be a one sided race baiter or racist who manufacturers threads to in some sly way to slide in some percieved bias and/ or agenda. Of all the moderations, I've gotten that one was deserved as I have now seen how "Jap" has been used online and Japanese people see it as there own form of "n***er. Again, it's appreciated but why this specific instance if I may ask? 

I already provided further clarification why I helped you in my response to your unedited post, so that only leaves your other question. Regarding this specific instance, you are wrong if you think that you deserved a moderation for hate speech when you didn't even know what the word you were using meant. My stance how such an instance should be moderated is here:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/dev2016/post.php?id=8818346



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The Dalai Lama should go back to Tibet and deal with the Chinese govt. Take his own advice.



John2290 said:

It saddens me to know the community dislikes me but there is little I can do about that nor would I attempt to people please, if that's how people view me and talk about it on Discord or in PM's so be it, that's outta my control and everyone is entitled to their opinion. 

Also I agree, it is nice to have ones perspective changed and have open dialouge without it devolving onto doubling down or ope up manship, it's one of the main reason I use these forums, as there ar little places left on the internet (in regards to video games) where one can go to have an opinon without it being shut down or banned for having mentioning anything else that mods don't find tolerable. It's fair here and I love that about it. 

I just hope I'm not being trolled by the discord group/s. Anyway, peace out. Good chat. 

I think it's necessary that I clarify something. When I say that's how a large portion of the community thinks of you, it's what I pick up from their posts in the political threads. If someone is on the extreme end of the political spectrum or is drifting towards it, it's normal that the majority of a varied community is uncomfortable with it, because the majority occupies the middle. This isn't limited to the far right on VGC, it also concerns the far left. An example of left leanings that makes the community feel uncomfortable is Jaicee; it doesn't take PMs or Discord to figure that out. Speaking of her, she's actually quite similar to you in that she commonly takes too strong of a stance and isn't above using misrepresentation when creating threads, but at the same she can be notably more levelheaded than it seems.



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Thechalkblock said:
RolStoppable said:

Since such arguments and theories are about the USA and Russia alike, you have to be more specific.

why not both?

They both don't like Europe currently so crippeling Europe is in both their interest in a way. US needs to win a trade war and Russia and Europe simply don't like eachother anymore since the EU practically stole many former Russian allies. 



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Assad and Russia are almost winning the war, now there is only one city left to be liberated. If US didn't support the rebels (aka ISIS) ove there, it would have been over a long time ago.