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starcraft said:
Mr.GameCrazy said:

We're all Russian trolls. :P

Lol

You laugh, but it begs the question doesn't it! With so many people simply ignoring the facts in their quest to promote irrational hatred of the film!

It doesn't beg any question if you're smart enough to read the threads about the subject, and read the numerous plot-related reasons why some people found the movie weak (and without any connection with races or gender).

What's next? "You're a Russian troll if you didn't like the last Fantastic Four movie, just because there was a black guy in it"? Or in video games, people who didn't like The Order 1886 are just racist bigots who hate it because the game director is from Sri Lanka? It makes perfect sense, sure. 

People turning down legitimate concerns about the movie by saying "you're a troll" are just too limited to be able to understand how criticism and debate work. 

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Faelco said:
starcraft said:

Lol

You laugh, but it begs the question doesn't it! With so many people simply ignoring the facts in their quest to promote irrational hatred of the film!

It doesn't beg any question if you're smart enough to read the threads about the subject, and read the numerous plot-related reasons why some people found the movie weak (and without any connection with races or gender).

What's next? "You're a Russian troll if you didn't like the last Fantastic Four movie, just because there was a black guy in it"? Or in video games, people who didn't like The Order 1886 are just racist bigots who hate it because the game director is from Sri Lanka? It makes perfect sense, sure. 

People turning down legitimate concerns about the movie by saying "you're a troll" are just too limited to be able to understand how criticism and debate work. 

Fair point, I chose my words poorly. Disliking the film is one thing. I generally liked it, but despised the unnecessary side-quest designed to flesh out new characters.

People claiming it was a failure in any real financial or commercial sense on the other hand, are trolling or have their head in the sand - and there is plenty of that in this thread.



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starcraft said:
Faelco said:

It doesn't beg any question if you're smart enough to read the threads about the subject, and read the numerous plot-related reasons why some people found the movie weak (and without any connection with races or gender).

What's next? "You're a Russian troll if you didn't like the last Fantastic Four movie, just because there was a black guy in it"? Or in video games, people who didn't like The Order 1886 are just racist bigots who hate it because the game director is from Sri Lanka? It makes perfect sense, sure. 

People turning down legitimate concerns about the movie by saying "you're a troll" are just too limited to be able to understand how criticism and debate work. 

Fair point, I chose my words poorly. Disliking the film is one thing. I generally liked it, but despised the unnecessary side-quest designed to flesh out new characters.

People claiming it was a failure in any real financial or commercial sense on the other hand, are trolling or have their head in the sand - and there is plenty of that in this thread.

Aren't a lot of people just saying it was a failure for the Star Wars franchise compared to the other movies? Can you give them that?



Immersiveunreality said:
starcraft said:

Fair point, I chose my words poorly. Disliking the film is one thing. I generally liked it, but despised the unnecessary side-quest designed to flesh out new characters.

People claiming it was a failure in any real financial or commercial sense on the other hand, are trolling or have their head in the sand - and there is plenty of that in this thread.

Aren't a lot of people just saying it was a failure for the Star Wars franchise compared to the other movies? Can you give them that?

The fact is he is using a strawman argument. No one has been saying it was a failure, yet they will continue to use that word. What has been said, and is the truth, is that it was a huge disappointment. The lowest projection for the film was $1.6B WW. Again, lowest, as in worst case scenario. Instead, it didn't even hit $1.34B. It made them money, but hundreds of millions less than was expected. It also lead to a drop in merch sales and into the first ever SW flop. Anyone calling it a huge success is being disingenuous.

The article claiming that it probably a lot of Russian paid trolls is nothing more than damage control by Disney, who is saying they are giving Kathleen Kennedy another shot. Interesting that it came out shortly after that announcement. And is filled with probablies and likelies. Very scientific, lol. I guess they are trying to create the narrative that the vast majority of SW fans loved the film. The very small majority who were meh about it were stirred up to hate it by magic Russian trolls. Oh, just ignore the actual well thought out critisms of the film in forums and on YouTube. Oooo, magic trolls.



starcraft said:
So.

How many of you haters are Russian trolls?

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/oct/04/after-russian-trolls-tarnished-the-last-jedi-is-it-safe-to-like-star-wars-again

Wait, did they really...?

I...  I sincerely do not know that to say to this..   Damn...

I wonder what they gonna say when episode IX arrives and only half the people show up to watch it at the cinema.



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thismeintiel said:
Immersiveunreality said:

Aren't a lot of people just saying it was a failure for the Star Wars franchise compared to the other movies? Can you give them that?

The fact is he is using a strawman argument. No one has been saying it was a failure, yet they will continue to use that word. What has been said, and is the truth, is that it was a huge disappointment. The lowest projection for the film was $1.6B WW. Again, lowest, as in worst case scenario. Instead, it didn't even hit $1.34B. It made them money, but hundreds of millions less than was expected. It also lead to a drop in merch sales and into the first ever SW flop. Anyone calling it a huge success is being disingenuous.

The article claiming that it probably a lot of Russian paid trolls is nothing more than damage control by Disney, who is saying they are giving Kathleen Kennedy another shot. Interesting that it came out shortly after that announcement. And is filled with probablies and likelies. Very scientific, lol. I guess they are trying to create the narrative that the vast majority of SW fans loved the film. The very small majority who were meh about it were stirred up to hate it by magic Russian trolls. Oh, just ignore the actual well thought out critisms of the film in forums and on YouTube. Oooo, magic trolls.

OMG they really gone that far?

Political lunatic is what i call such thoughts, and yeah using a strawman argument while calling others out for "supposedly" putting their heads into the sand is not the wisest thing to do.Deflecting criticism is the new rage seemingly but ultimately money talks and and franchises like Star wars will eventually start listening to consumers again but that might be after missing out on a lot of profit.



chakkra said:
starcraft said:
So.

How many of you haters are Russian trolls?

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/oct/04/after-russian-trolls-tarnished-the-last-jedi-is-it-safe-to-like-star-wars-again

Wait, did they really...?

I...  I sincerely do not know that to say to this..   Damn...

I wonder what they gonna say when episode IX arrives and only half the people show up to watch it at the cinema.

I didn't take the study seriously. It's why I jokingly said that we're all Russian trolls.