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Who is Sony's PS mascot?

Kratos 25 39.68%
 
Nathan Drake 20 31.75%
 
Ratchet and Clank 4 6.35%
 
Helghast 0 0.00%
 
Sackboy 7 11.11%
 
Other 7 11.11%
 
Total:63
Miyamotoo said:
fauzman said:

I would agree with you. I think Drake has been the most recognized character for sony in the last two gens. Habing said the Drake seems to have had his day and has retired so he doesnt seem like a good choice going forward.

I guess that is the advantage of sony in that they have many syrong characters to choose from. I would say the current mazcot seems to be Kratos for this year. 

Exactly, Uncharted combined on PS3 sold 19m copies while GoW was at around 5m, and on PS4 Uncharted 4 and Uncharted Collection sold more than 15m. IMO only reason why people are choosing Kratos is because last GoW game, if actually Uncharted 4 was released after GoW I think more people would choose Nate, so I totaly agree with you that Kratos is current mascot for this year.

I dont think that Sony has many strong characters, at end currently everything comes to Nate and Kratos, others are not nearly strong enugh to be mascot (for instance Ratchet and Clank) or didnt had so much presence (maybe Ellie and Joel).

You are wrong in so many ways:

1. God of War on PS3 sold over 13 million units. Yes its behind Uncharted on PS3, but Uncharted had 3 mainline games on the PS3 which were heavily bundled. God of War had 1 mainline game, 3 collections of older games and 1 spinoff all of which were barely bundled at all, so it sold entirely on its own strength.

2. Its not sales of all the games combined that counts, its the individual sales which count and God of War on PS4 is far outpacing the fastest selling Uncharted game and that has nothing to do with which game released when and everything to do with the popularity of the series. GOW has been iconic since the PS2 and Kratos has been recognised for a long time.

3. Kratos has made appearances as a playable character in more games outside of the GOW series than Nathan Drake has outside of the Uncharted series. It shows that he is more popular as guest characters in games are chosen based on their popularity.



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GOWTLOZ said:
Miyamotoo said:

Exactly, Uncharted combined on PS3 sold 19m copies while GoW was at around 5m, and on PS4 Uncharted 4 and Uncharted Collection sold more than 15m. IMO only reason why people are choosing Kratos is because last GoW game, if actually Uncharted 4 was released after GoW I think more people would choose Nate, so I totaly agree with you that Kratos is current mascot for this year.

I dont think that Sony has many strong characters, at end currently everything comes to Nate and Kratos, others are not nearly strong enugh to be mascot (for instance Ratchet and Clank) or didnt had so much presence (maybe Ellie and Joel).

You are wrong in so many ways:

1. God of War on PS3 sold over 13 million units. Yes its behind Uncharted on PS3, but Uncharted had 3 mainline games on the PS3 which were heavily bundled. God of War had 1 mainline game, 3 collections of older games and 1 spinoff all of which were barely bundled at all, so it sold entirely on its own strength.

2. Its not sales of all the games combined that counts, its the individual sales which count and God of War on PS4 is far outpacing the fastest selling Uncharted game and that has nothing to do with which game released when and everything to do with the popularity of the series. GOW has been iconic since the PS2 and Kratos has been recognised for a long time.

3. Kratos has made appearances as a playable character in more games outside of the GOW series than Nathan Drake has outside of the Uncharted series. It shows that he is more popular as guest characters in games are chosen based on their popularity.

1. My bad, I was counting only GoW 3, and GoW 3 (like you wrote only mainline game on PS3) is around 5m.

2. Talking about sales, every main Uncharted game sold better than best selling GoW game until last GoW game. Of Course that when some game is released is important, its not same if you have launch of strong game on install base of 40m and when you have launch of strong game on same platform but on intall of almost 80m, you can bet that Uncharted 4 would also had much stronger launch if actualy was launched on install base of 80m instead of 40m.

3. I was talking only about last two generation, and Drake was more popular than Kratos until last GoW game.



Miyamotoo said:
GOWTLOZ said:

You are wrong in so many ways:

1. God of War on PS3 sold over 13 million units. Yes its behind Uncharted on PS3, but Uncharted had 3 mainline games on the PS3 which were heavily bundled. God of War had 1 mainline game, 3 collections of older games and 1 spinoff all of which were barely bundled at all, so it sold entirely on its own strength.

2. Its not sales of all the games combined that counts, its the individual sales which count and God of War on PS4 is far outpacing the fastest selling Uncharted game and that has nothing to do with which game released when and everything to do with the popularity of the series. GOW has been iconic since the PS2 and Kratos has been recognised for a long time.

3. Kratos has made appearances as a playable character in more games outside of the GOW series than Nathan Drake has outside of the Uncharted series. It shows that he is more popular as guest characters in games are chosen based on their popularity.

1. My bad, I was counting only GoW 3, and GoW 3 (like you wrote only mainline game on PS3) is around 5m.

2. Talking about sales, every main Uncharted game sold better than best selling GoW game until last GoW game. Of Course that when some game is released is important, its not same if you have launch of strong game on install base of 40m and when you have launch of strong game on same platform but on intall of almost 80m, you can bet that Uncharted 4 would also had much stronger launch if actualy was launched on install base of 80m instead of 40m.

3. I was talking only about last two generation, and Drake was more popular than Kratos until last GoW game.

1. GOW 3 sold 5 million by May 2012, so it could easily be at over 6 million by now on PS3 alone.

2. You're wrong going by VGC sales. Sony published GOW 3 sales on PS3 as of May 2012 and it was higher than Uncharted: Drake's Fortune.

Install bases don't matter at a certain critical point. Uncharted 4 released on a 40m userbase which already had Uncharted: Nathan Drake Collection so most Uncharted fans already had a PS4 by that time. The other 40m userbase makes little difference to a game like God of War which will sell to a fraction of the install base and that fraction will grow smaller as the install base grows, but not sell more if say PS4 had sold 120m units.

Its different for a game like The Legend of Zelda Breath of the Wild which continues to sell with the growing install base and shows that its initial sales were limited by the install base. Uncharted 4 sales slowed down that year till Sony bundled it with PS4, and Nathan Drake Collection benefitted massively from the bundling. I got the Nathan Drake Collection bundle when I didn't want it, it was the cheapest PS4 at that time. Same with the Uncharted 4 bundle.

3. Kratos was a playable character in MK 9, Soulcalibur BD and a boss in Shovel Knight. Drake has made no appearance in third party games. If he really were more popular, why did these companies choose Kratos to sell their games.



Kratos has always been significantly more popular than Nathan Drake, that's not even up for debate. https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=Kratos,Nathan%20Drake



JustThatGamer said:

Kratos has always been significantly more popular than Nathan Drake, that's not even up for debate. https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=Kratos,Nathan%20Drake

You didn't search the correct terms. Its Kratos versus Nathan.

Still, I found the results interesting. Kratos has always been more popular except for October 2015, when Nathan Drake Collection released and May 2016, when Uncharted 4 released. So he was consistently more popular by far in the PS3 days, and generally more popular in the PS4 gen.



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GOWTLOZ said:
Miyamotoo said:

1. My bad, I was counting only GoW 3, and GoW 3 (like you wrote only mainline game on PS3) is around 5m.

2. Talking about sales, every main Uncharted game sold better than best selling GoW game until last GoW game. Of Course that when some game is released is important, its not same if you have launch of strong game on install base of 40m and when you have launch of strong game on same platform but on intall of almost 80m, you can bet that Uncharted 4 would also had much stronger launch if actualy was launched on install base of 80m instead of 40m.

3. I was talking only about last two generation, and Drake was more popular than Kratos until last GoW game.

1. GOW 3 sold 5 million by May 2012, so it could easily be at over 6 million by now on PS3 alone.

2. You're wrong going by VGC sales. Sony published GOW 3 sales on PS3 as of May 2012 and it was higher than Uncharted: Drake's Fortune.

Install bases don't matter at a certain critical point. Uncharted 4 released on a 40m userbase which already had Uncharted: Nathan Drake Collection so most Uncharted fans already had a PS4 by that time. The other 40m userbase makes little difference to a game like God of War which will sell to a fraction of the install base and that fraction will grow smaller as the install base grows, but not sell more if say PS4 had sold 120m units.

Its different for a game like The Legend of Zelda Breath of the Wild which continues to sell with the growing install base and shows that its initial sales were limited by the install base. Uncharted 4 sales slowed down that year till Sony bundled it with PS4, and Nathan Drake Collection benefitted massively from the bundling. I got the Nathan Drake Collection bundle when I didn't want it, it was the cheapest PS4 at that time. Same with the Uncharted 4 bundle.

3. Kratos was a playable character in MK 9, Soulcalibur BD and a boss in Shovel Knight. Drake has made no appearance in third party games. If he really were more popular, why did these companies choose Kratos to sell their games.

1. 1m dont change nothing relly.

2. Maybe GoW 3 sold better than Uncharted 1, but Uncharted 2 and 3 on PS3 sold better than GoW 3 in any case.

That dont works that way espacily when we talk about one platform and not about difrent platforms, Uncharted Collection is remaster not brand new game, so not only that new game makes much more hype in any case than remaster but plenty of people already played Uncharted Collection on PS3, Uncharted 4 was also selling to plenty of people that never before played any Uncharted game. You are again wrong, new GoW game for plenty of people is actualy first GoW game,  it made huge hype and splash and plenty of PS4 owners bought it, launch on 40m instead of 80m would definatly bring smaller sales, and opoosite, Uncharted 4 would have stronger launch on install base of 80m instead of 40m.

3. They are totaly different type of characters, Kratos is a warrior and offcourse he is far more suitable for fighting games than Drake that's actually much more realistic and normal person, its expected Kratos to be in MK or Souls Caliber or even boss in some game, same you coldnt be said for Nate.

 

GOWTLOZ said:
JustThatGamer said:

Kratos has always been significantly more popular than Nathan Drake, that's not even up for debate. https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=Kratos,Nathan%20Drake

You didn't search the correct terms. Its Kratos versus Nathan.

Still, I found the results interesting. Kratos has always been more popular except for October 2015, when Nathan Drake Collection released and May 2016, when Uncharted 4 released. So he was consistently more popular by far in the PS3 days, and generally more popular in the PS4 gen.

Kratos can be only Kratos, but in case of Nate you have several search phrases: Nathan Drake, Nathan, Drake, Nate, Nate Drake.

Last edited by Miyamotoo - on 04 September 2018

I think Sony's mascot should be Crash Bandicoot.



 

BoseDK said:
Shiken said:

Splatoon says hi.

Splatoon is a successful new IP for Nintendo, in a long time, but on the level of Mario/Zelda? I don't think so.

I'm talking about the fact that Sony's studios are able to make things more successful than their last time and again.

Naughty Dog under Sony went from Jak to Uncharted and followed it up with The Last of Us, each bigger than the last.

Guerrilla Games went from Killzone to Horizon Zero Dawn. Suckerpunch went from Sly Cooper to Infamous to. Ghost of Tsushima.

Nintendo has basically been surviving on the few IPs that put them on the map 2-3 decades ago and have failed to recapture the lightning again since then. Maybe they just don't have the talent anymore or are too scared to invest big money into new IPs, either way they would be nothing without Mario/Zelda/Pokemon. While you can take every IP Sony has and they it wouldn't hurt them any all as they'll make new IPs that are bigger than anything they had.

 

pokoko said: 
Shiken said: 

What I find funny is that you said in your previous reply is that Nintendo would be able to make games of quality, but you question if they would sell without being known IPs in your first reply.  Then you go on to say that Sony would be fine without known IPs because of their quality...

 

So what is the difference?  It seems to me that their is bias in your statement as the only argument you have is pretty much that Playstation is Playstation and Nintendo is Nintendo.  You literally contradicted your own point.

Except that you forget that the Splatoon IP is a huge hit, Xenoblade continues to gain traction, and ARMs was far more successful than many like to give it credit for.  They have already proven they can do it.

 

You do not think that they could not make a similar game to Mario or Zelda in a different setting with a unique plot and cast while having it sell?  If Mario and Zelda did not exist, other new IPs of similar style would take their place. Quality sells games, all they have to do is show that quality.  Otherwise Horizon Zero Dawn would have flopped.

 

To believe anything else is to fool yourself into believing what you want to believe, rather than what is true.

Hold on a second.  If you're not going to get what I said right then don't paraphrase me at all.  

The argument is pretty simple.  Playstation does not lean as heavily on past IP as Xbox and Nintendo.  This is an observable pattern of behavior and they've proven to be successful at it.  Nintendo, on the other hand, builds and maintains their oldest IP indefinitely.  That is also an observable pattern of behavior.

Now, you're seriously telling me that if Nintendo dropped Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong, Kirby, and Pokemon, it wouldn't have an impact on their brand?  That it wouldn't affect sales?

I think the one trying to fool themselves into believing what they want to believe is you.

This and that, make sense to me.

Splatoon is more an exception to the rule. It's a new successful IP after years of Smash/Zelda/Pokemon/Mario.

I also think that people underestimate Pokemon. It's the true mega monster system seller. You kill Pokemon and Nintendo loses half of its fortune overnight. And Pokemon is basically the same thing every generation. 



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When PS4 will hit 100m consoles sold: Before Christmas 2019

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