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HylianSwordsman said:
forevercloud3000 said:

Why do people attribute PS3's failings to arrogance and not the rightful $600 price tag? I mean sure, you had to be kinda arrogant to think that wasn't going to be an issue but It was def the pricing plus the year head start for 360 that helped it stay ahead of the PS3.

The reality is that the Playstation platform has always out performed the competition. And usually at a margin that is undeniable. PS1, PS2 and now PS4 each have 50% plus marketshare of their respective Gens. The PS3 was the only anomaly. Yet even still....if you take away the 360's head start and align their releases you will see the PS3 outpaced the 360 almost the entire gen. IE, PS3 was always more popular worldwide than Xbox and would have handily out sold it if they came out same time. Arrogance and huge price point didn't even stop the PS brand, it was the tenacity of their competition.

There is a thin line between Confidence and Arrogance. Is Sony really arrogant when they have the history in performance and sales to back up that their method works?

It was arrogance. Do you remember the comment about getting two jobs to afford it if they didn't like the price tag? Do you remember how they bragged about the cell microprocessor and how it ended up never being used to its full potential by any third parties, and in fact most multiplats performed worse on PS3, making that fancy tech little more than an expensive ball and chain? Sony wasn't arrogant in the PS1 and PS2 era, and it payed off because they took nothing for granted. In the PS4 era, they had an opportunity to be arrogant and greedy like Microsoft, but won huge credibility and trust with gamers by siding with them, and that payed off too. Nintendo had history too. They saved the industry in the 3rd gen, beat tough competition in the 4th, and crushed both competitors in the 7th. Coming fresh off the 7th, they were arrogant and failed miserably with the Wii U. Also, I don't know what method you're talking about, because Sony changed their method for each generation. But sure, keep defending them. It does nothing for you and nothing for them, but I'm sure it makes you feel comfortable to think that your chosen console brand is an irreproachable god of business and gaming. Pride comes before the fall.

Yet I don't see how the PS3 performance was some sort of righteous retribution for their supposed Arrogance.  The PS3 didn't fall behind the 360 after their bold claims, the PS3 started behind 15million because it came out a year later. The $600 price point also wasn't as detrimental as people think because like I stated, the PS3 out paced the 360 worldwide most of the gen(IE sold more on a monthly basis). If PS3 came out the same year as 360, it would have been at least 15million ahead, had the PS3 had a year headstart it would have been 30+ million ahead. The Playstation brand just has higher selling strength than most are capable of  perceiving. 

Whether the decision to delay the console a full year, the $600 price point, the , use of Bluray or the Cell Architecture was a bad idea or not, the selling power in spite of them is phenomenal. Especially when you think this all took place during the peak of a Global Recession. You have to think, for every thing that was holding the PS3 back the 360 had that much more of a chance to take the lead but was still only able to do so temporarily because the PS3 eventually overtook it in Sales(albeit sometimes disputed).

 

My point being is that Arrogance couldn't have been what took down the PS3 because it was never really taken down to begin with.



      

      

      

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forevercloud3000 said:

Yet I don't see how the PS3 performance was some sort of righteous retribution for their supposed Arrogance.  The PS3 didn't fall behind the 360 after their bold claims, the PS3 started behind 15million because it came out a year later. The $600 price point also wasn't as detrimental as people think because like I stated, the PS3 out paced the 360 worldwide most of the gen(IE sold more on a monthly basis). If PS3 came out the same year as 360, it would have been at least 15million ahead, had the PS3 had a year headstart it would have been 30+ million ahead. The Playstation brand just has higher selling strength than most are capable of  perceiving. 

Whether the decision to delay the console a full year, the $600 price point, the , use of Bluray or the Cell Architecture was a bad idea or not, the selling power in spite of them is phenomenal. Especially when you think this all took place during the peak of a Global Recession. You have to think, for every thing that was holding the PS3 back the 360 had that much more of a chance to take the lead but was still only able to do so temporarily because the PS3 eventually overtook it in Sales(albeit sometimes disputed).

 

My point being is that Arrogance couldn't have been what took down the PS3 because it was never really taken down to begin with.

Are you going to forget that Sony had to butcher the PS3 to put it back on the map and to compete? That heavy price tag, there marketing approach, everything.

Also lets not forget the PS3 lost more money in the gaming industry than any other console in history, losing around $5b. There arrogance cost them.

Sony needed to fix it or PS was going to die as a brand. Luckily for Sony they made the right moves to compete. They only took over the 360 when MS stopped trying. Sony this gen were extremely lucky that both Nintendo and Xbox tripped over the starting line. Next gen might be alittle different.

Being confident is one thing, being confident fuelled by arrogance is another and there confident in all the wrong ways.



Azzanation said:
forevercloud3000 said:

Yet I don't see how the PS3 performance was some sort of righteous retribution for their supposed Arrogance.  The PS3 didn't fall behind the 360 after their bold claims, the PS3 started behind 15million because it came out a year later. The $600 price point also wasn't as detrimental as people think because like I stated, the PS3 out paced the 360 worldwide most of the gen(IE sold more on a monthly basis). If PS3 came out the same year as 360, it would have been at least 15million ahead, had the PS3 had a year headstart it would have been 30+ million ahead. The Playstation brand just has higher selling strength than most are capable of  perceiving. 

Whether the decision to delay the console a full year, the $600 price point, the , use of Bluray or the Cell Architecture was a bad idea or not, the selling power in spite of them is phenomenal. Especially when you think this all took place during the peak of a Global Recession. You have to think, for every thing that was holding the PS3 back the 360 had that much more of a chance to take the lead but was still only able to do so temporarily because the PS3 eventually overtook it in Sales(albeit sometimes disputed).

 

My point being is that Arrogance couldn't have been what took down the PS3 because it was never really taken down to begin with.

Are you going to forget that Sony had to butcher the PS3 to put it back on the map and to compete? That heavy price tag, there marketing approach, everything.

Also lets not forget the PS3 lost more money in the gaming industry than any other console in history, losing around $5b. There arrogance cost them.

Sony needed to fix it or PS was going to die as a brand. Luckily for Sony they made the right moves to compete. They only took over the 360 when MS stopped trying. Sony this gen were extremely lucky that both Nintendo and Xbox tripped over the starting line. Next gen might be alittle different.

Being confident is one thing, being confident fuelled by arrogance is another and there confident in all the wrong ways.

If the PS3 had sold like 40million total or something than maybe such a sharp decrease could be considered punishment for their over confidence.....but it sold 80+million. PS360Wii era is the closest any Gen has had all competitors to a Tie. As far as the profitability of that Gen, So much of that can be attributed to things that would have likely happened regardless of what they said. They had no say on whether the Yen was going to start being heavily devalued or not. They didn't have a say about several natural disasters devastating construction of vital parts. They also didn't know the market was going to be derailed by the allure of "Motion Gaming" for several years. And Microsoft would have still paid millions to various Developers to break many a exclusivity contract with Sony. 

There is no vast decrease in PS Brand Sales that shows a drastic fall in popularity that couldn't be as easily attributed to these external factors.



      

      

      

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twintail said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

I meant to say that because of PS Now, Sony doesn't feel any reason to include BC into the PS5. I mean, why allow that feature when you can rent out the games again? You might be able to play PS1-4 games on the PS5, but probably only through such a subscription service and your discs at home will be useless. I just hope they'll do it better than PS Now is right now (streams from a PS3 somewhere in the world if one is available (if not, no gaming at all!) with terrible lag and PS2 visuals due to crappy compression), because that's even worse than GFWL was during it's heyday.

Because keeping current PSN accounts future proof pretty much secures the future of Playstation going into next gen, something PSNow is not going to do going into PS5. Plus everything I said in my previous post.

You are right though that PSNow has to become better. But its not a replacement for an actual account system which is infinitely more valuable as of now in terms of generating profits and selling PS5s.

Zkuq said:

I don't particularly like anyone spinning things like that. In this case though, it's also trying to hide the real reason, which makes it especially despicable in my eyes.

I think its hilarious you are this offended by PR, but it is what it is  suppose.

SuperNova said:

I get the meta reason behind their decision. But that's not what he said. What he said is that opening fortnight crossplay would open PS up to an inferior experience, when in reality the experience on Xbox is identical or better depending wich system the player has and the Switch one is definitely way superior to the iOS one, wich is already cross-compatible with PS4.

I was just calling him out on his bullshitting. If he had straight up said:'We've made this anti-consumer decision to lock as many customers into our eco-system as possible', I'd still have a bit of a problem with the underlying mentality, but not the statement itself. As is it's just blatantly false and unneccessarily arrogant.

You are not wrong about the equality of the experience, but its rather strange issue to have a problem with. the Sony CEO says that PS4 is the best experience. So what? What do you think he is going to say? "yeah, we make the PS4... but actually, I think you must play Fortnite on the X1 because its a better console". I mean, lets be honest: him saying his companies device offers the best experience is what everyone for every company says. You think Apple goes out of there way to prop up the competition? Does BMW say Mecedes makes better cars? You just gonna call every company in existence arrogant because they promote their own products as superior?

At the end of the day, he is new to the role of Sony CEO: any decisions regarding the Playstation division and their stance on Fortnite has like nothing to do with him, unless evidence suggests otherwise. So of course he is going to give a generic "PS4 is the best place to play games". its such a weird thing to be offended by.

Context is everything here. It wasn't just a generic 'We believe PS4 is best place to play games' promotion, it was an answer to a specific question. And his answer as to why they wont allow cross-play with other consoles was that it would 'compromise the experience', wich is blatantly untrue. In this context (locking accounts into the PS ecosystem, preventing not just cross-play, but any play on other consoles with that account) it comes off as arrogant bs.

And yes, I have a problem with any company that resorts to blatant lies to justify their anti-consumer decisions. Just look at Apples anti-repair bs. Liking a company for their products, like I do both Apple and Sony, does not mean they are immune to me criticizing them when they fuck up. Sony is fucking up with this imo. It's simple, really.

Also, I'm not offended. Not sure were you got that from?



forevercloud3000 said:
Azzanation said:

Are you going to forget that Sony had to butcher the PS3 to put it back on the map and to compete? That heavy price tag, there marketing approach, everything.

Also lets not forget the PS3 lost more money in the gaming industry than any other console in history, losing around $5b. There arrogance cost them.

Sony needed to fix it or PS was going to die as a brand. Luckily for Sony they made the right moves to compete. They only took over the 360 when MS stopped trying. Sony this gen were extremely lucky that both Nintendo and Xbox tripped over the starting line. Next gen might be alittle different.

Being confident is one thing, being confident fuelled by arrogance is another and there confident in all the wrong ways.

If the PS3 had sold like 40million total or something than maybe such a sharp decrease could be considered punishment for their over confidence.....but it sold 80+million. PS360Wii era is the closest any Gen has had all competitors to a Tie. As far as the profitability of that Gen, So much of that can be attributed to things that would have likely happened regardless of what they said. They had no say on whether the Yen was going to start being heavily devalued or not. They didn't have a say about several natural disasters devastating construction of vital parts. They also didn't know the market was going to be derailed by the allure of "Motion Gaming" for several years. And Microsoft would have still paid millions to various Developers to break many a exclusivity contract with Sony. 

There is no vast decrease in PS Brand Sales that shows a drastic fall in popularity that couldn't be as easily attributed to these external factors.

Only over the long run, sales were actually below 360 sales until 2008. Only in 2009 the PS3 took off with the much cheaper Slim model ans started eating away the lead of the 360. Still, while it did sell over 80M in the end, after 50 Months ( 4 years plus launch months) it was only sitting at 43M, not much better than the XBO is doing which got derided and punished for it's anti consumer practices and plans with the XBO.

What saved Sony last gen was that they quickly backtracked and slashed the pricetag several times and the fact that the Playstation brand sells much better outside of English-speaking countries. This allowed it's comeback after a disastrous 2-year false start.



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CGI-Quality said:

According to this, the original Xbox actually lost the most money, costing Microsoft between $5b and $7b. Not that this "arrogant" argument really matters all that much to begin with, (all of the big three have been that way in some form or fashion), but that needed correcting.

Very interesting read, ill have to read all of it when i get home from work. More knowledge the better. Thanks.

If true than ill take my comment back a notch and say the PS3 was the 2nd worst profitable console. Which still makes my point pretty clear that anti consumer practices is never a good way to sell products. No one is immune to failing.

I agree, MS learnt this gen, Sony learnt last gen and Nintendo learnt afew gens ago. The mentally of being the top dog has never always been a positive for the consumers.



not that i give a shit about fortnite, but that is one head up the ass comment by sony. thats fine. the exclusives is what i have a ps4 for anyways, not wasting any money on any multiplatform games on it though.



 

pokoko said:
Liquid_faction said:

Of course, Fortnite doesn't need any help in the playerbase area. But what happens when another game that is less popular than Fortnite comes around. Infinite Warfare (or was it Advanced Warfare) for the Windows Store version had so little players, that it had to issue refunds days after the game was bought. It could happen, especially since PSN is 2-3 times bigger than the other competition. Nintendo and Xbox want Crossplay because it benefits them, there is literally nothing for them to lose if they get Crossplay. Sony on the other hand, because of its current dominance in the market, has a lot more to lose. There is a group of 10 friends that want to play Fortnite, 4 of them want to get a PS4. If they all want to play together, the other 6 would have to buy a PS4. Now if Crossplay was implemented, the other 6 could buy a Switch or Xbone. That is six players that could potentially go to the Playstation ecosystem, but because Crossplay was available, go somewhere else.

Don't get me wrong, the whole locking down your account is stupid and I condemn that. It was a scummy move all around, but I'm also a realistically looking at Sony as a business. People seem to forget that these are businesses and they will do everything they can to get money. I don't have any imaginary expectations that Sony will treat their costumers like they are family. No business does that. Period. If all this outrage actually slowed down the sales of the PS4, then Crossplay might be implemented. But it seems like people just want to jump on the bandwagon and post their opinions online while also play and buy PS4 games. 

The overwhelming majority of gamers don't actually care about crossplay itself and it's hard to blame them when they're playing on a platform with a healthy user base.  They'd probably never notice it one way or the other.  That's just the truth.  Many of those who do seem to care would change their stance in a heartbeat if their platform of choice opted against crossplay.

There are situations where it does become intrinsically important to players, such as the beginning of this generation when games skipped Xbox because they refused crossplay.  That hurt the user base because it denied them access to a particular game.  That same situation might come up in the future with Playstation.

The ones who really care are the developers and publishers.  Why?  Because it saves them a lot of money and work.

Personally, I don't give a rat's ass if the person I'm blowing up is on Xbox, Playstation, Nintendo, or the Sunway TaihuLight supercomputer.  I just don't care.  However, if it means losing out on games, that's another matter entirely.

As for "Sony is arrogant," sure, why not.  If we're talking about PR then Nintendo and Microsoft are well-known for being "arrogant," as well.  If we're talking about corporate decision making then the ONLY time any of them are NOT "arrogant" is when they've lost market share.  That's business.

I agree that for users in the most part they don't care. It may happen though, that some users wanna play with their friends, that are on a different platform. They are affected.

I agree too, that game devs want crossplay as it benefits them. And why not.

And I also agree on the arrogance part. All three of them show plenty of arrogance in certain situations.



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Sony is getting arrogant again like toward the end of the PS2/beginning of PS3. Everytime their console seems far ahead of the competition they show their colors. To be fair though, Sony’s game division is their primary stronghold so they get really defensive and panic when it comes to the competition. This nervousness, rash decisions resulting, and faning confidence is what will be likely be their downfall.



forevercloud3000 said:
I am so sick of having people trying to make XB1/Switch/PS4 crossplay happen, its not going to happen. These companies are competitors and for Sony to allow such a thing is to directly play into their competitor's hands. They want to take away the incentives that Sony offers that have people choosing it over the others in droves. Exclusivity has always been the name of the game in Video Games. It is the deciding factor of why you choose COD over Battlefield, XBox over Playstation, etc, etc. Exclusive features are what define them and userbase is one of the largest selling factors.

Do you know how many times people used "Well all my friends had a 360 so I got a 360" as a decider?

"Well it isn't Fair."
What isn't fair is trying to get one company to do work for their competition when they have continued to exclaim they don't want to.

"Sony is standing in the way of progress. It is important now because we have never been closer."
WHAT!? The only change in the game is the Switch, which arguably NEEDS to be crossplay because it is at the largest disadvantage with online userbase on the fact it just came out. All this is is a role reversal. Sony INVENTED crossplay back in PS3 era and extended the offer to xbox and got a firm denial. Because Microsoft knew what Sony knows now, its a selling point. Now that Xbox players are at this huge disadvantage on userbase and friend groups are separated in a different manner they want Sony to be the one to bend? Come on now. Back when it was PS360 if you had PS3 but all your friends had 360 and you wanted to play with them.....you got a damn 360. End of story.

People threatening boycotts also makes zero sense. Sony still has Crossplay with both PC and Phones.....of Which they completely eclipse What is possible with PC/Phone/XB1/Switch combined......thats how much of a lead Sony has. You would be leaving the largest circle just to make a point that is ridiculous from the start.

Your argument is perfect... if you talk to investors of Sony (or any of the companies). But we all (well, maybe most) do not work for Sony/MS/Nintendo. For a gamer it is a restriction to deny cross-play. May not an very important restriction, but options are options, they aren't bad. So, seeing as this is a gaming forum, not a Sony shareholder forum, you might want to rethink your arguments.



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