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Runa216 said:
BraLoD said:
Runa216 said:
BraLoD said:
GoW5 will come for PS4, I can confirm it.It's coming the same year as H2, and GoW4 sold around 20M on PS4.There is no way GoW5 will not come to it after they confirmed H2 will.I hope it doesn't, tho, let the PS4 die and make full use of that SSD.

Some people are making a huge deal out of this stuff and I just don't get it. They don't NEED to push PS5's for the next year or so, as they won't be able to keep up with demand regardless. Having games cross gen means that folks who weren't fortunate or rich enough to get a PS5 can still play the great exclusives that sony is releasing. It's a win-win for everyone. 

Who the fuck cares that they 'did a 180' on their statements? That's called intelligent adaptation to the market. This is not a bad thing at all, and in fact is a great thing! People, companies, and entities changing to adapt with the times isn't hypocrisy, it's evolution. Like, jesus some people will say or do anything just to find an excuse to bitch about shit. 

And to be clear, this isn't aimed directly at you, it's a general statement of perception of social media and especially the xbox people here on this forum. 

As it was not aimed at me but directed at my post let me make this clear to you too:

I have a PS4 and don't have a PS5 and I would rather preffer if GoW5 comes only for the PS5 as a completely impossible game to run on PS4.

I don't really care if it's cross gen or not, much less what Sony talked about, I just want the game to be the best it possibly can, a trivial matter as I have to get better hardware is nothing compared to what the game will be forever.

I don't mind cross gen games, I just preffer the biggest ones are not so they can be their best.

GoW5 can likely be the BotW case, it probably is, where it was already being built on the previous gen anyway, so release it on both and profit all they can, which means a fully PS5 GoW would not come 2021 anyway, but even so, I also preffer TLoU/GoT case where it releases on the previous gen when its ready and doesn't get delayed to release alongside the next gen version too anyway.

GoW4 was the best game this gen, I just want the next to make no compromisses either so it can be as good as it can.

You seem to be thinking of things in strictly binary terms, which doesn't help anyone. Long story short, a game can be cross-generational and still be the best it can be on PS5 while still being capable of being run on Ps4. Miles morales is a great example. It runs just fine on Ps4, but man it looks, feels, and plays so much better on PS5. 

This 'it can only reach its maximum potential if it's strictly exclusive to PS5' narrative is...bad. It's bad and it's not real and it's not a good representation of the game, the developers, or the audience. Sony even said (and I knew this from the get go but couldn't prove it) that many exclusives that are cross-gen will take advantage of the PS5's unique abilities and options. Nobody's losing anything here by having some games be cross-generational. The devs get more money because their stuff is available to a wider audience, plus all these games get free upgrades to their PS5 versions, the publisher also gets more money and thus can invest more into future games, gamers get two versions of a game if possible, and folks who can't get a PS5 (which is super hard to get right now, virtually impossible without catering to scalpers) still get to play those games. 

I do not understand how an infinitesimally small difference in quality of games between strictly PS5 developed and cross-gen developed games is worth skipping out on literally millions of potential buyers on the existing userbase on the Ps4. Yeah, I wouldn't want ALL games to be cross gen, and I wouldn't want this gen to be ALWAYS compromising like the Xbox Series X/S is doing, but a balance between cross-gen and next-gen exclusives is best for consumers and for the company. I just do not understand for the life of me how people can be so pedantic about a perceived, unproven, potential disparity between versions. You're not the devs, you're not the publishers, you're not the people working on the game, you can't possibly know if the game was compromised by being cross-gen or not. You (and many others) just assume as much because ... reasons I guess? I genuinely don't know what gives you that impression. Nothing I've seen so far indicates that Horizon or Spider-Man or whatever else were compromised due to having PS4 versions out. That's just an unfounded assumption based on an incomplete perspective of the development process. 

And it's unfair to everyone to push that faulty, ill-advised narrative. 

On your last paragraph you end up contradicting the previous and agreeing with BraLoD.

Sure a game can be fantastic while being crossgen, but unless they are really made as separate games (which visible elements difference) it is most likely something was held down due to being crossgen. Remember the speed at which SM could fly though the city, the speed you could drive on FFXV or the lack of flying mounts on HZD? All of that are due to limitations of PS4 that unless versions are significantly different would mean you also miss those in PS5.

Remember Mark Cerny road to PS5 and his explanation of field of view and assets that needed to be on the RAM because the HDD wasn't fast enough to provide that to the GPU/CPU and how that limited game design? As long as you make the game crossgen those will be holding down PS5 version and how the game is developed. Sure for most games that won't really matter. But as he said for the AAA games that weren't close to be finished (thus developed basically for PS4 and then polished, RT, etc for PS5 added) they shouldn't be making it crossgen.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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Finally got my PS5! Best Buy Canada and Canada Post was a shit show this past week. 



Just saw this on Twitter a moment ago. For anyone in Europe tomorrow. Enjoy! 



Welp, I'm defeated. The external drive issue came back (Seems to be linked to automatic updates, since that's what set it off the first time as well as this time), and in the process it corrupted my Demon's Souls save file...while I was enroute to the final boss. I tried reloading from PS+'s cloud storage, but no dice. Not only did I lose my game file that I'd been working on all week, I also lost all the Digital Deluxe edition content that came with it since you only get that once. Not cool. Not cool at all.



My Console Library:

PS5, Switch, XSX

PS4, PS3, PS2, PS1, WiiU, Wii, GCN, N64 SNES, XBO, 360

3DS, DS, GBA, Vita, PSP, Android

After some good time with the DualSense it's definitely my new favorite controller. The haptics and triggers are great but I particularly appreciate just how tightly tuned all the buttons feel; everything has a nice tactile bump that's neither mushy nor brittle, kinda like brown switches on a good mechanical keyboard. Feels great beating up badguys with. Just hope it holds up over time but it does feel solidly built.



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BraLoD said:
Runa216 said:
Welp, I'm defeated. The external drive issue came back (Seems to be linked to automatic updates, since that's what set it off the first time as well as this time), and in the process it corrupted my Demon's Souls save file...while I was enroute to the final boss. I tried reloading from PS+'s cloud storage, but no dice. Not only did I lose my game file that I'd been working on all week, I also lost all the Digital Deluxe edition content that came with it since you only get that once. Not cool. Not cool at all.

Damn that's tough to read.

Time to contact Sony, they need to compensate you for that, the digital deluxe content, that is.

Also even the PS+ save got corrupted? Damn.

I would be mad.

I don't even know where to go to contact them. Google's being unhelpful and browsing on the PS Store is not working.



My Console Library:

PS5, Switch, XSX

PS4, PS3, PS2, PS1, WiiU, Wii, GCN, N64 SNES, XBO, 360

3DS, DS, GBA, Vita, PSP, Android

axumblade said:
I've only played Spider-Man: Miles Morales but it's insane just how fast the load times are.

Right? I opened it to get my copy of Spider-Man Remastered (That's not how you get it, I was misinformed) and was practically playing the game before I realized what was happening. 



My Console Library:

PS5, Switch, XSX

PS4, PS3, PS2, PS1, WiiU, Wii, GCN, N64 SNES, XBO, 360

3DS, DS, GBA, Vita, PSP, Android

Its finally here! <3



BraLoD said:
Runa216 said:
Welp, I'm defeated. The external drive issue came back (Seems to be linked to automatic updates, since that's what set it off the first time as well as this time), and in the process it corrupted my Demon's Souls save file...while I was enroute to the final boss. I tried reloading from PS+'s cloud storage, but no dice. Not only did I lose my game file that I'd been working on all week, I also lost all the Digital Deluxe edition content that came with it since you only get that once. Not cool. Not cool at all.

Damn that's tough to read.

Time to contact Sony, they need to compensate you for that, the digital deluxe content, that is.

Also even the PS+ save got corrupted? Damn.

I would be mad.

I got a corruption in the local GT6 save file when it was saving, and had the auto save sync enabled. So my corrupted save superseeded the one in PS+ and then my PS+ also had the corrupted version. Sony said there was no way to recover the previous PS+ save file. For some blessing I had made a backup few days prior on a pendrive.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Runa216 said:
axumblade said:
I've only played Spider-Man: Miles Morales but it's insane just how fast the load times are.

Right? I opened it to get my copy of Spider-Man Remastered (That's not how you get it, I was misinformed) and was practically playing the game before I realized what was happening. 

Did you managed to get your remastered copy working?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."