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I get what y'all are saying bit crossplay possibly with xb1, Switch & pc for warframe has been mentioned as a possibility and that means something in the longterm for the game. If there is crossplay with xb1, Switch and pc then the game will be updated faster for xb1 & Switch with ps4 stuck on the later updates.



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IkePoR said:
V-r0cK said:

Like we both said, most of the time friends have the same consoles.  So why make this issue something major when it's really nothing more than a very very minor customer inconvenience. 

It's possible I wasn't clear in my counter point.  Friends tend to buy the same consoles in order to play with each other.  Again, a Sony fan will buy an Xbox because he can't play with his friends otherwise.  This is a serious inconvenience.  

Well, perhaps some kids choose their friends because they have the same console (conscious or subconscious).

With cross-play, some of those barriers can be broken and can help them to get closer to people with other consoles/platforms and be more open-minded. 



Conina said:
IkePoR said:

It's possible I wasn't clear in my counter point.  Friends tend to buy the same consoles in order to play with each other.  Again, a Sony fan will buy an Xbox because he can't play with his friends otherwise.  This is a serious inconvenience.  

Well, perhaps some kids choose their friends because they have the same console (conscious or subconscious).

With cross-play, some of those barriers can be broken and can help them to get closer to people with other consoles/platforms and be more open-minded. non

Wh I was younger, my neighbor got a Genesis and I got a super Nintendo. That way, we had access to everything that we wanted to play. Of course, that was a different time. Libraries were more diverse, then.and online play was just a dream.

 

Still no idea what goes on with the quoting sometimes.  It makes  typos that can't be fixed. ntheehhh



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Raven722 said:
EricHiggin said: 

If PS agree's to cross play it does not automatically mean all third party games become cross play. Every single pub and dev will have to decide if they want to allow that for all their games, just some, or none. Based on how many companies exist, it's been surprisingly quiet in terms of how many are speaking up about how badly they want cross play since everyone and their pet cat wants it, apparently.

If all the yelling and screaming does eventually cause PS to fold by some chance, everyone is going to have to continue this, just instead of having one company to go after, your going to have so many you won't have enough time in a day to bother even a small fraction of them. Companies like EA or Activision will be able to simply ignore any complaints if they want and will completely get away with it, because they already are known to be douche bags and yet their games still sell just fine.

Yep. Even smaller companies like the now closed Boss Key Productions whose heads, like CliffyB, thought that cross-play was "stupid". Granted, he was talking about cross-play between PC and consoles but he's an example of what consumers are going to have to deal with even after this battle. Sony is just an easy target right now because they're the only first-party company saying no to it. I still think it will eventually happen across the board, but it's not going to be as simple as getting Sony to agree to it as many people seem to think.

This is just the first battle where both armies feel each other out. If this battle is won, the war that will ensue will be much much more brutal than this and will drag on forever. I do agree if PS by chance folds, even though they've no doubt talked to many pubs and devs and know how they feel about it as well, that it will eventually mean cross play across the board, but not for years, even an entire gen maybe.

KLAMarine said:
EricHiggin said:

Any that exist on the internet. Google Finance, Yahoo Finance, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1wLO3r10wk

Here's ReviewTechUSA talking about Nin's stock. He says 34% drop but he's talking about a longer span of time.

Hmm, I see.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2018/07/05/why-are-investors-panicking-about-the-nintendo-switch/#20fe181a28e7

Not sure I'd draw too many conclusions from it. Seems like jittery investors to me. Admittedly, what I know about investing and stocks can fit in a paragraph...

I'm not trying to say Nin is doomed here, I'm just pointing out it seems pretty clear the reason Nin is willing to jump onto the cross play bandwagon is because while they were red hot last year, things feel like they are cooling off, mostly based on the lack of games so far this year, regardless of what's coming in the future. The fact that Reggie kept saying momentum on his Fox interview screams that Nin was looking for a way to keep the ball rolling like PS has with PS4, and so (Fortnite) cross play was a move that would help them until they can push out another slew of must have games. I'm not saying Nin did it for only that reason, but it was no doubt a serious business decision that wasn't taken lightly. Investors would see this as weakness, which very well may be part of the reason PS doesn't want to allow it among other things.

I do also think there is notable speculation going around with XB and their future "consoles" remark, as well as the most recent PS remarks. I honestly think people are wondering if MS or PS has portable in mind. Remember that not all that long ago, PS was saying they 'couldn't ignore Switch'?

"We're hearing it. We're looking at a lot of the possibilities. You can imagine that the circumstances around that affect a lot more than just one game. I'm confident we'll get to a solution which will be understood and accepted by our gaming community, while at the same time supporting our business."

The more I read into this statement by Layden, the more I think he's no doubt saying there is a strong possibility of a PS Portable coming. Not trying to ruin anyone's party, but I myself wouldn't see it as a major surprise. Possibilities could mean a payment method for cross play, maybe, or their own device. He points out this will affect many games, so they no doubt feel that Switch has legs and is a useful device and will see more and more games, so why not have one themselves? A solution that would be understood and accepted by the PS gaming community, would be a PS Portable gaming device, that will cross play with PS consoles, and will directly support their business at the same time. He of course left out how it wouldn't help the competition at all if PS has their own portable, but he definitely implies that here to some extent.

March of 2019 is when PS is dropping PS Plus game support for PS3 and Vita. With all the rumors of next gen, to see a new PS Portable to replace Vita, and a PS5 to allow PS4 to push out PS3, makes way to much sense, and could very well happen late 2019 or sometime in 2020. It's also possible PS drops portable altogether, but when I read between the lines, I think PS is making it fairly clear that if the choice means helping put money in the competitions pocket by allowing cross play, which also means losing potential profit for PS themselves, they would rather try their own portable device and lose money that way, if it loses them money that is. If it makes money though, it's just a bonus for the PS brand.

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The ONLY xPlay I will probably care about when PS5 comes is likely to be PS4/PS5 xPlay. 



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EricHiggin said:
KLAMarine said:

Hmm, I see.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2018/07/05/why-are-investors-panicking-about-the-nintendo-switch/#20fe181a28e7

Not sure I'd draw too many conclusions from it. Seems like jittery investors to me. Admittedly, what I know about investing and stocks can fit in a paragraph...

I'm not trying to say Nin is doomed here, I'm just pointing out it seems pretty clear the reason Nin is willing to jump onto the cross play bandwagon is because while they were red hot last year, things feel like they are cooling off, mostly based on the lack of games so far this year, regardless of what's coming in the future. The fact that Reggie kept saying momentum on his Fox interview screams that Nin was looking for a way to keep the ball rolling like PS has with PS4, and so (Fortnite) cross play was a move that would help them until they can push out another slew of must have games. I'm not saying Nin did it for only that reason, but it was no doubt a serious business decision that wasn't taken lightly. Investors would see this as weakness, which very well may be part of the reason PS doesn't want to allow it among other things.

I do also think there is notable speculation going around with XB and their future "consoles" remark, as well as the most recent PS remarks. I honestly think people are wondering if MS or PS has portable in mind. Remember that not all that long ago, PS was saying they 'couldn't ignore Switch'?

"We're hearing it. We're looking at a lot of the possibilities. You can imagine that the circumstances around that affect a lot more than just one game. I'm confident we'll get to a solution which will be understood and accepted by our gaming community, while at the same time supporting our business."

The more I read into this statement by Layden, the more I think he's no doubt saying there is a strong possibility of a PS Portable coming. Not trying to ruin anyone's party, but I myself wouldn't see it as a major surprise. Possibilities could mean a payment method for cross play, maybe, or their own device. He points out this will affect many games, so they no doubt feel that Switch has legs and is a useful device and will see more and more games, so why not have one themselves? A solution that would be understood and accepted by the PS gaming community, would be a PS Portable gaming device, that will cross play with PS consoles, and will directly support their business at the same time. He of course left out how it wouldn't help the competition at all if PS has their own portable, but he definitely implies that here to some extent.

March of 2019 is when PS is dropping PS Plus game support for PS3 and Vita. With all the rumors of next gen, to see a new PS Portable to replace Vita, and a PS5 to allow PS4 to push out PS3, makes way to much sense, and could very well happen late 2019 or sometime in 2020. It's also possible PS drops portable altogether, but when I read between the lines, I think PS is making it fairly clear that if the choice means helping put money in the competitions pocket by allowing cross play, which also means losing potential profit for PS themselves, they would rather try their own portable device and lose money that way, if it loses them money that is. If it makes money though, it's just a bonus for the PS brand.

This all seems highly speculative to me...



KLAMarine said:
EricHiggin said:

I'm not trying to say Nin is doomed here, I'm just pointing out it seems pretty clear the reason Nin is willing to jump onto the cross play bandwagon is because while they were red hot last year, things feel like they are cooling off, mostly based on the lack of games so far this year, regardless of what's coming in the future. The fact that Reggie kept saying momentum on his Fox interview screams that Nin was looking for a way to keep the ball rolling like PS has with PS4, and so (Fortnite) cross play was a move that would help them until they can push out another slew of must have games. I'm not saying Nin did it for only that reason, but it was no doubt a serious business decision that wasn't taken lightly. Investors would see this as weakness, which very well may be part of the reason PS doesn't want to allow it among other things.

I do also think there is notable speculation going around with XB and their future "consoles" remark, as well as the most recent PS remarks. I honestly think people are wondering if MS or PS has portable in mind. Remember that not all that long ago, PS was saying they 'couldn't ignore Switch'?

"We're hearing it. We're looking at a lot of the possibilities. You can imagine that the circumstances around that affect a lot more than just one game. I'm confident we'll get to a solution which will be understood and accepted by our gaming community, while at the same time supporting our business."

The more I read into this statement by Layden, the more I think he's no doubt saying there is a strong possibility of a PS Portable coming. Not trying to ruin anyone's party, but I myself wouldn't see it as a major surprise. Possibilities could mean a payment method for cross play, maybe, or their own device. He points out this will affect many games, so they no doubt feel that Switch has legs and is a useful device and will see more and more games, so why not have one themselves? A solution that would be understood and accepted by the PS gaming community, would be a PS Portable gaming device, that will cross play with PS consoles, and will directly support their business at the same time. He of course left out how it wouldn't help the competition at all if PS has their own portable, but he definitely implies that here to some extent.

March of 2019 is when PS is dropping PS Plus game support for PS3 and Vita. With all the rumors of next gen, to see a new PS Portable to replace Vita, and a PS5 to allow PS4 to push out PS3, makes way to much sense, and could very well happen late 2019 or sometime in 2020. It's also possible PS drops portable altogether, but when I read between the lines, I think PS is making it fairly clear that if the choice means helping put money in the competitions pocket by allowing cross play, which also means losing potential profit for PS themselves, they would rather try their own portable device and lose money that way, if it loses them money that is. If it makes money though, it's just a bonus for the PS brand.

This all seems highly speculative to me...

"It's also possible PS drops portable altogether"

I've been wrong before, but not that long ago MS was talking about how they've been tinkering with portable as well, they just never followed through. Sometimes when your all standing on the ledge of a cliff and nobody wants to be the first to jump into the water, all it takes is one to do it and prove not only will you come out alive, but that it's totally worth it.