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Guess children will never stop killing each other in this hell of a country, because many people rather stick their heads to the ground while having guns in their butts.
How you can actually telling yourself a ban of guns would not prevents victims at all is beyond me.

Of course criminals don't care about laws. These nasty little children will just buy them from the blackmarked. Bet they will get a special discount from their local drugdealer too.
And if that fails they could just go to the darknet and hire a hitman. These little rascals are quite advanced when it comes to tech after all. Or but why yes, just build a bomb little guy. Bet most school shooters so far had acces to that kind of knowledge, parts and opportunity.

So yes of course it would not help anything at all. I mean everyone could use a knive right? In europe everyone just uses a knive. We call them school kniver. Just jumping around and stabbing 10 people.

Sorry for being rude, but that's what it sounds to me. I already feel sorry for the kids who will die in the near future while some people still try to defend this.
And no, this does not have anything to do with freedom. If your your freedom is defined by your ability to instantly murder whoever is in your view, than you got a much bigger problem. I just wonder what you'd say after they kill your child.

But hey guns are not even the main issue. Maybe they kill each other for a reason, you know? Maybe the school system is to blame. But since no one ever thinks about that, lets take care of the weapons. Who am I kidding, not like something will change without a civil war. At least victims are at a better place now.



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massimus said:

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o_O.Q said:

"So far, you've been telling me the country shouldn't do something because it won't work. That's like saying making murder shouldn't be illegal because people will still kill."

lol the irony of this is killing me

what will you do when guns are banned and people resort to knives or homemade bombs?

will you then take away my ability to chop my carrots for my salad? or fertilise my crops so i'll have some food to put on my plate?

London has actually put in place knife control lmao. Because their murder rates have overtaken New York’s for the first time. I guess word control is next. 

word control has already been put into action with sexist and hate speech laws



o_O.Q said:

"So far, you've been telling me the country shouldn't do something because it won't work. That's like saying making murder shouldn't be illegal because people will still kill."

lol the irony of this is killing me

what will you do when guns are banned and people resort to knives or homemade bombs?

will you then take away my ability to chop my carrots for my salad? or fertilise my crops so i'll have some food to put on my plate?

I know it's difficult for you, but use some logic. Is it more efficient to kill with a gun or a knife? Is it easier for police or even someone at the scene to disarm someone armed with a gun or a knife?

It's America. It's completely unrealistic for all shootings to stop even with stricter gun control, but this country has to find a way to at the very least lessen both the amount and frequency of these tragedies.

With all that said, I'm gonna ask you the same thing to someone here I haven't gotten an answer on. Do you think school shootings are a problem in America?



What’s your solution, H.E.R? Yes, people targeting schools and soft targets with large unarmed crowds are a problem. What realistic laws would have stopped this? It’s terrorism. You know that the 2nd amendment won’t be repealed any time soon. Confiscation is unrealistic and won’t work. What would you do? I personally think we should hire vets or retired police to guard schools. Not useless security guards but trained people ready and willing to die for these kids protection, it’s unfortunate but it’s the only realistic way to deal with this imo.



School shootings are a problem, but things other than just taking away gun rights from the 99% of gun owning law abiding citizens will not stop psychotic people from continuing to do horrendous things. The issue is a little deeper than guns, most if not all the school shooters from Columbine to Virginia Tech to even the most recent one in Texas all have one thing in common, and it is constantly being forgotten by the media in order to push a different narrative. Are guns an issue? Sure, but it is just one of the many underlying issues. One must be ingenuous to think a psychopath will let the legality of weapons deter their plans, there's a thing called the blackmarket and the US probably has the largest one on the planet when it comes to illegal arms.



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H.E.R. said:
o_O.Q said:

"So far, you've been telling me the country shouldn't do something because it won't work. That's like saying making murder shouldn't be illegal because people will still kill."

lol the irony of this is killing me

what will you do when guns are banned and people resort to knives or homemade bombs?

will you then take away my ability to chop my carrots for my salad? or fertilise my crops so i'll have some food to put on my plate?

I know it's difficult for you, but use some logic. Is it more efficient to kill with a gun or a knife? Is it easier for police or even someone at the scene to disarm someone armed with a gun or a knife?

It's America. It's completely unrealistic for all shootings to stop even with stricter gun control, but this country has to find a way to at the very least lessen both the amount and frequency of these tragedies.

With all that said, I'm gonna ask you the same thing to someone here I haven't gotten an answer on. Do you think school shootings are a problem in America?

"I know it's difficult for you, but use some logic."

lol it is you that is being illogical here not me

 

"Is it more efficient to kill with a gun or a knife? Is it easier for police or even someone at the scene to disarm someone armed with a gun or a knife?"

and yet china has had a mass stabbing every month for this year...

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/27/world/asia/china-attack-school-knife.html

the implication i'm assuming is that a society would be safe and have no mass killings if guns could be removed... but that's nonsense


"but this country has to find a way to at the very least lessen both the amount and frequency of these tragedies."

there are 6 guns to every american in the country, lets say you completely stop new guns from being distributed... what are you going to do about all the guns already circulating around?

 

"Do you think school shootings are a problem in America?"

murder is an existential problem... i'd think anyone past the age of 10 understands that and funny enough the statistics show that its a problem that has been reducing with time

 

"With all that said, I'm gonna ask you the same thing to someone here I haven't gotten an answer on. "

you haven't gotten an answer because its a hilariously stupid question... shouldn't that be obvious?



Exactly. But in a school or concert it’s hard to find a solution. Out in the street you arm and defend yourself. I think they should stop making Malls gun free zones for example. If you have a concealed carry license you should be carrying. You might save someone’s life. It reminds me of the Chris rock song no sex in the champagne room,
“Don't go to parties with metal detectors
Sure it feels safe inside; but what about
All those ni**as waitin outside with guns?
They know you ain't got one..”


What do you do for a school though?



massimus said:
What’s your solution, H.E.R? Yes, people targeting schools and soft targets with large unarmed crowds are a problem. What realistic laws would have stopped this? It’s terrorism. You know that the 2nd amendment won’t be repealed any time soon. Confiscation is unrealistic and won’t work. What would you do? I personally think we should hire vets or retired police to guard schools. Not useless security guards but trained people ready and willing to die for these kids protection, it’s unfortunate but it’s the only realistic way to deal with this imo.

Security guards aren't enough. The one in Parkland ran away and the one in Santa Fe was shot. I've stated before in this very thread I'm actually a 2nd Amendment supporter even if it doesn't seem like it right away. I do believe an American citizen has a right to defend his home and anyone trespassing should be at risk of getting shot. That militia crap though? Unless you're arming citizens with missiles and assault rifles, you're not taking down any army anytime soon nor do I believe any American citizen should be armed enough to do so.

So what do I propose so far? Stricter FEDERAL laws. More risk for illegal sellers ups their prices and hopefully slows down sales. Definitely more thorough background checks for any firearms purchases. REALLY don't understand Trump making it legal for people with mental disorders to purchase guns. Lesser magazine sizes for all states. I'd also introduce a nice sizable bullet tax for everyone except hunters who hunt solely for food. I'd also make it mandatory to buy a safe for anyone with a firearm that must be checked annually. I'd also begin charging the last legal owner of guns of mass shootings with manslaughter if those guns were stolen. Is it really too much to ask gun owners to be more responsible with their firearms?



o_O.Q said:

lol it is you that is being illogical here not me

Would people kill with more guns if there were a considerable less amount of guns in America? Hello, logic.

o_O.Q said: 

and yet china has had a mass stabbing every month for this year...

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/27/world/asia/china-attack-school-knife.html

the implication i'm assuming is that a society would be safe and have no mass killings if guns could be removed... but that's nonsense

By some counts, we're averaging a school shooting a week in 2018.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2018/may/18/whats-true-whats-not-about-santa-fe-texas-school-s/

That doesn't even count Noblesville this week. I'm not saying shootings would be eliminated altogether. It's impossible to do that in America, but the goal should be to lessen the amount and frequency of these shootings. By the way, those statistics are for school shootings, not all homicides or crimes with a gun.

o_O.Q said: 

there are 6 guns to every american in the country, lets say you completely stop new guns from being distributed... what are you going to do about all the guns already circulating around?

Read my post above this one.

o_O.Q said: 

murder is an existential problem... i'd think anyone past the age of 10 understands that and funny enough the statistics show that its a problem that has been reducing with time


School shootings are still at high amounts.

https://www.cato.org/blog/are-mass-shootings-becoming-more-frequent

 

o_O.Q said: 

you haven't gotten an answer because its a hilariously stupid question... shouldn't that be obvious?


If it's a problem, please introduce any of your thoughts to fixing them.

Last edited by H.E.R. - on 27 May 2018

H.E.R. said:
massimus said:
What’s your solution, H.E.R? Yes, people targeting schools and soft targets with large unarmed crowds are a problem. What realistic laws would have stopped this? It’s terrorism. You know that the 2nd amendment won’t be repealed any time soon. Confiscation is unrealistic and won’t work. What would you do? I personally think we should hire vets or retired police to guard schools. Not useless security guards but trained people ready and willing to die for these kids protection, it’s unfortunate but it’s the only realistic way to deal with this imo.

Security guards aren't enough. The one in Parkland ran away and the one in Santa Fe was shot. I've stated before in this very thread I'm actually a 2nd Amendment supporter even if it doesn't seem like it right away. I do believe an American citizen has a right to defend his home and anyone trespassing should be at risk of getting shot. That militia crap though? Unless you're arming citizens with missiles and assault rifles, you're not taking down any army anytime soon nor do I believe any American citizen should be armed enough to do so.

So what do I propose so far? Stricter FEDERAL laws. More risk for illegal sellers ups their prices and hopefully slows down sales. Definitely more thorough background checks for any firearms purchases. REALLY don't understand Trump making it legal for people with mental disorders to purchase guns. Lesser magazine sizes for all states. I'd also introduce a nice sizable bullet tax for everyone except hunters who hunt solely for food. I'd also make it mandatory to buy a safe for anyone with a firearm that must be checked annually. I'd also begin charging the last legal owner of guns of mass shootings with manslaughter if those guns were stolen. Is it really too much to ask gun owners to be more responsible with their firearms?

" I've stated before in this very thread I'm actually a 2nd Amendment supporter even if it doesn't seem like it right away. I do believe an American citizen has a right to defend his home and anyone trespassing should be at risk of getting shot. That militia crap though? Unless you're arming citizens with missiles and assault rifles, you're not taking down any army anytime soon nor do I believe any American citizen should be armed enough to do so."

then you do not understand the second amendment... the purpose of it was always to provide a means of defense for citizens from an oppressive tyrannical government... its how the country was formed to begin with after all

that you call the idea of a militia "crap" while at the same time claiming that you advocate for the 2nd amendment is frighteningly ignorant

 

  "Would people kill with more guns if there were a considerable less amount of guns in America? Hello, logic."

someone apparently needs to brush up on what saturation means

 

"By some counts, we're averaging a school shooting a week in 2018."

sure... counts including suicides right? because i suppose if someone had the resolve to blow their brains out they wouldn't just use some other method if they didn't have a gun

 

"If it's a problem, please introduce any of your thoughts to fixing them."

as i typed its an existential problem... asking me that is like asking me to solve the problem of death

its a stupid question

what is your solution to the mass stabbings in china? or does it suddenly not matter when its knives instead of guns?