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Faelco said:
d21lewis said:
https://www.wired.com/story/xbox-console-wars

New article that I really kinda agree with.

Can we talk about this article?

 

In my opinion the writer is disconnected with reality. Comparing the Xbox One today with the PS3 at the time of its comeback last gen is delusional to say the least.

 

First of all, the Ps3 came back because it was "natural". Once the big launch issue (price) was fixed, the continuous support, the variety of the games and the quality of the first party IPs, combined with the PlayStation image and the failure of other consoles in some or most of these areas, took it back. Not "risks", not BC (the opposite actually).

 

MS is doing nothing to come back except their own Pro console. Nothing indicates a real change to come back, new policies or anything groundbreaking. MS is rather in an acceptance position. They're losing and they're perfectly fine with it, completely opposite to Sony back then.

 

I don't get what the writer is trying to say...

He doesn't think XBO will make any type of comeback. He just says that being in second place makes them more willing to try different things. Whether or not being in second place was the reason for Sony's creativity last gen is something that can't be proven, though. They did make a lot of  changes, mostly for the better, though.

I think it's like Nintendo having to rethink their strategy after the GameCube and WiiU to win back fans. Then again, who knows how many years in advance companies have to work to put out a project? Anything M$, Sony, or Nintendo do to " make a comeback" could possibly be something they were planning to do anyway.

*shrugs*



Twitter: @d21lewis

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d21lewis said: 
Faelco said: 

Can we talk about this article?

 

In my opinion the writer is disconnected with reality. Comparing the Xbox One today with the PS3 at the time of its comeback last gen is delusional to say the least.

 

First of all, the Ps3 came back because it was "natural". Once the big launch issue (price) was fixed, the continuous support, the variety of the games and the quality of the first party IPs, combined with the PlayStation image and the failure of other consoles in some or most of these areas, took it back. Not "risks", not BC (the opposite actually).

 

MS is doing nothing to come back except their own Pro console. Nothing indicates a real change to come back, new policies or anything groundbreaking. MS is rather in an acceptance position. They're losing and they're perfectly fine with it, completely opposite to Sony back then.

 

I don't get what the writer is trying to say...

He doesn't think XBO will make any type of comeback. He just says that being in second place makes them more willing to try different things. Whether or not being in second place was the reason for Sony's creativity last gen is something that can't be proven, though. They did make a lot of  changes, mostly for the better, though.

I think it's like Nintendo having to rethink their strategy after the GameCube and WiiU to win back fans. Then again, who knows how many years in advance companies have to work to put out a project? Anything M$, Sony, or Nintendo do to " make a comeback" could possibly be something they were planning to do anyway.

*shrugs*

My point is, what creativity from Sony?

 

They had to do a cheaper SKU because they failed on the price. They did the Move (which kinda failed), because it was the motion control moment. That's it!

How were they especially innovative? Because they made first party games? But they did first party games on PSOne and PS2, it didn't change. Because they had a variety of different games? Well, the PS2 was the console with the most various games ever, so nothing new.

 

Sony didn't have to be "creative" to comeback. They just fixed their price mistake and rested on their usual strengths : variety of games, quality of exclusives,  lifetime support, and brand recognition. 

 

That's why I talked about "natural". PlayStation beating Xbox is natural, even if they had the exact same console. Because everybody knows Playstation has strengths Xbox doesn't have. And they're not building it now.



Faelco said:
d21lewis said: 

He doesn't think XBO will make any type of comeback. He just says that being in second place makes them more willing to try different things. Whether or not being in second place was the reason for Sony's creativity last gen is something that can't be proven, though. They did make a lot of  changes, mostly for the better, though.

I think it's like Nintendo having to rethink their strategy after the GameCube and WiiU to win back fans. Then again, who knows how many years in advance companies have to work to put out a project? Anything M$, Sony, or Nintendo do to " make a comeback" could possibly be something they were planning to do anyway.

*shrugs*

My point is, what creativity from Sony?

 

They had to do a cheaper SKU because they failed on the price. They did the Move (which kinda failed), because it was the motion control moment. That's it!

How were they especially innovative? Because they made first party games? But they did first party games on PSOne and PS2, it didn't change. Because they had a variety of different games? Well, the PS2 was the console with the most various games ever, so nothing new.

 

Sony didn't have to be "creative" to comeback. They just fixed their price mistake and rested on their usual strengths : variety of games, quality of exclusives,  lifetime support, and brand recognition. 

 

That's why I talked about "natural". PlayStation beating Xbox is natural, even if they had the exact same console. Because everybody knows Playstation has strengths Xbox doesn't have. And they're not building it now.'

Last gen when Sony was  behind, they:

Createdd PlayStation Home 

Added rumble back to their controller

Started giving away "free"games with PS+

Created the Move

Cross Buy on certain games

Added Trophies

Probably more but I'm forgetting. They also cut some features, to make the price more appealing.

 

Something iswell wrongwit h quoting. It's adding in all kinds of extra words and letters and when I try to edit things just get worse.

 

Anyway, there's no way to tell what. Was a responss to being in secondtthird  and what was something they already had planned so don't take this as fact. Just guesses. e



Twitter: @d21lewis

Faelco said:
d21lewis said:
https://www.wired.com/story/xbox-console-wars

New article that I really kinda agree with.

Can we talk about this article?

 

In my opinion the writer is disconnected with reality. Comparing the Xbox One today with the PS3 at the time of its comeback last gen is delusional to say the least.

 

First of all, the Ps3 came back because it was "natural". Once the big launch issue (price) was fixed, the continuous support, the variety of the games and the quality of the first party IPs, combined with the PlayStation image and the failure of other consoles in some or most of these areas, took it back. Not "risks", not BC (the opposite actually).

 

MS is doing nothing to come back except their own Pro console. Nothing indicates a real change to come back, new policies or anything groundbreaking. MS is rather in an acceptance position. They're losing and they're perfectly fine with it, completely opposite to Sony back then.

 

I don't get what the writer is trying to say...

He’s simply trying to say when you’re “losing” in sales you find other ways to make your product appealing. This isn’t new and doesn’t apply only to gaming. I don’t think there’s any doubt Sony was more ambitious with their first party efforts last gen plus the services they offered. Maybe that tied into their “bad” launch, maybe not. The author thinks it did.

d21 made a good point though, in the end we really don’t know what the motivation was behind all of these services and strategies. People assumed Xbone BC was a reaction to “losing” the console war but it turns out it was designed as part of the hardware the entire time.

Personally I wouldn’t want any of the big three to dominate a gen, all three have shown inability to handle it by blundering future products or being rocked by their own arrogance.



d21lewis said:

He doesn't think XBO will make any type of comeback. He just says that being in second place makes them more willing to try different things. Whether or not being in second place was the reason for Sony's creativity last gen is something that can't be proven, though. They did make a lot of  changes, mostly for the better, though.

I think it's like Nintendo having to rethink their strategy after the GameCube and WiiU to win back fans. Then again, who knows how many years in advance companies have to work to put out a project? Anything M$, Sony, or Nintendo do to " make a comeback" could possibly be something they were planning to do anyway.

*shrugs*

At the rate that Xbox One is being outsold by Switch, I think Switch will move into 2nd place and Xbox One will stay firmly in 3rd. Could Switch surpass PS4, it is possible, but right now the numbers don't indicate they could catch up for at least 4-5 years, by which time the generation will be over.

So with Xbox coming in 2nd last generation, after a sizable lead on the PS3, and 2nd again the previous generation to that and either 2nd of 3rd this generation will Microsoft have the staying power to invest in Xbox for a 4th generation? Microsoft's lack of staying power (see Zune, Windows Phone etc) would suggest they might give up and just focus on PC game. Maybe rebrand PCs as Xbox and not have a dedicated console next gen?? OR just crazy thoughts?



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CartBlanche said:
d21lewis said:

He doesn't think XBO will make any type of comeback. He just says that being in second place makes them more willing to try different things. Whether or not being in second place was the reason for Sony's creativity last gen is something that can't be proven, though. They did make a lot of  changes, mostly for the better, though.

I think it's like Nintendo having to rethink their strategy after the GameCube and WiiU to win back fans. Then again, who knows how many years in advance companies have to work to put out a project? Anything M$, Sony, or Nintendo do to " make a comeback" could possibly be something they were planning to do anyway.

*shrugs*

At the rate that Xbox One is being outsold by Switch, I think Switch will move into 2nd place and Xbox One will stay firmly in 3rd. Could Switch surpass PS4, it is possible, but right now the numbers don't indicate they could catch up for at least 4-5 years, by which time the generation will be over.

So with Xbox coming in 2nd last generation, after a sizable lead on the PS3, and 2nd again the previous generation to that and either 2nd of 3rd this generation will Microsoft have the staying power to invest in Xbox for a 4th generation? Microsoft's lack of staying power (see Zune, Windows Phone etc) would suggest they might give up and just focus on PC game. Maybe rebrand PCs as Xbox and not have a dedicated console next gen?? OR just crazy thoughts?

I think M$ actually beat Nintendo and Sony in America but actually came in third worldwide last gen. I don't know what their goal is anymore. If it were me, I'd just focus on making money. If the profits are worthwhile compared to the effort, I'd stay in the gaming business. If not, I'd leave it to Nintendo and Sony.



Twitter: @d21lewis

 

d21lewis said:
CartBlanche said:

Buying remastered games on updated hardware really doesn't qualify as backwards compatibility as the game as been remade for the newer hardware. BC, by definition, is using current hardware to run software that was made for previous/old hardware and not using an emulator.

That's my point. If they were BC, I wouldn't have purchased them a second time. I'd just play the original one....maybe. I like last gen games. On my Xbox One, I probably have 350 games installed on the HDD and about 150 of them are Xbox 360 games that I bought maybe a decade ago (give or take). I'd say I spend at least 30% of my gaming time on games that are from the 7th gen and earlier. But that's just me.

And yeah, I did hang on to my last gen consoles but there's just something about playing them on the newer hardware. Maybe it's not technically backwards compatibility but whatever you call it, my old software has found new life.

I have bought the same games as you (remasters or the like), and I can say I wouldn't have played them on BC because I still have the games and PS3 but doesn't turn it on to play. The remaster is a reason for me to replay and see the improvements, the original I have already played a lot.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

And the article posted by D21 failed miserably in knowing that PS3 have always been ahead of X360 launch aligned and except for one year it also have always outsold it on calendar year. The sole reason for X360 being ahead most of the gen (and never significantly) was launching first.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
And the article posted by D21 failed miserably in knowing that PS3 have always been ahead of X360 launch aligned and except for one year it also have always outsold it on calendar year. The sole reason for X360 being ahead most of the gen (and never significantly) was launching first.

While this is true, the PS3 was coming off of a generation where the PlayStation sold five times as many consoles as Xbox. Early last gen, Xbox was a "non competitor" that many felt would suffer the same fate as the Dreamcast. There's a quote that I read in a magazine that went something like:

 

Sony: "We've been in this position before. PS1 first, N64 after. Dreamcast first, PS2 after. It doesn't matter what the Xbox 360 sells. We'll overtake that quickly and it'll be business as usual."

 

Somewhere along the way, the Xbox 360 turned into a real competitor and Sony really did have to start taking them seriously. I don't think the 360 even reached their goal of 10 million in the first year. Sony slowly chipped away at the lead but it took pretty much the entire gen and a lot of money loss to earn a "victory".



Twitter: @d21lewis

d21lewis said:
DonFerrari said:
And the article posted by D21 failed miserably in knowing that PS3 have always been ahead of X360 launch aligned and except for one year it also have always outsold it on calendar year. The sole reason for X360 being ahead most of the gen (and never significantly) was launching first.

While this is true, the PS3 was coming off of a generation where the PlayStation sold five times as many consoles as Xbox. Early last gen, Xbox was a "non competitor" that many felt would suffer the same fate as the Dreamcast. There's a quote that I read in a magazine that went something like:

Sony: "We've been in this position before. PS1 first, N64 after. Dreamcast first, PS2 after. It doesn't matter what the Xbox 360 sells. We'll overtake that quickly and it'll be business as usual."

Somewhere along the way, the Xbox 360 turned into a real competitor and Sony really did have to start taking them seriously. I don't think the 360 even reached their goal of 10 million in the first year. Sony slowly chipped away at the lead but it took pretty much the entire gen and a lot of money loss to earn a "victory".

You are right on your premises, still that isn't put in the article, he just doesn't even know about sales when you see what he wrote. Much less about sales trend and historic.

I also like one quote that I just can't find that is from 2009 or so "Even if we stopped selling X360, PS3 wouldn't reach us".



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."