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Forums - Politics Discussion - US, UK and France launch attack on Syria, including its capital Damascus

It's just getting more and more ridiculous.
Previously we had "weapons of massive destructive", and now we have "chemical weapons killing civilian".
Assad may actually have chemical weapons like most countries do but everyone is saying things like:
it's highly suspected that they have used chemical weapons to kill their own people.

And with those missiles from US, we are sure some Syrians are dead now.



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John2290 said:
Johnw1104 said:

First, no, this won't "bring peace". Frankly, I don't see how any "peace" will come about in that region for ages with all animosity between the many different religious groups and the contradictory interests of regional powers like Turkey and Iran, let alone Russia/Assad and western powers. If "peace" is subjugation by an autocratic monster like Assad, one must ask if that's even something to hope for. Heck, Putin is Assad's only friend at this point, and it's mighty coincidental that Russia's only year-round warm water naval port in the Mediterranean is located in Syria; no one, Putin included, are under the delusion that this man actually deserving of support, it's simply too important strategically for him not to do so.

Otherwise, he has been tied to use of chemical weapons in past investigations that no one this side of Putin or Assad disputes. You speak of "convenience", and yet just a couple of days ago Russia vetoed the UN's motion to set up an independent investigation into these allegations, so we'd never get to properly confirm blame regardless. 

Thus far they've targeted three separate locations all known to be involved in the production and storage of chemical weapons (specifically avoiding any Russian targets), and they're waiting to see how many targets they hit and how many were shot down before launching a second wave. It is hardly a "rampage to kill innocent life". All we can hope at this point is that the bombs were indeed "smart" and avoided as many additional casualties as possible, though I have no doubt both sides will claim minimal causalities on one side and hundreds or thousands on the other.

Seriously though, this won't bring about peace. I don't think a damn thing anyone is doing or attempting to do in Syria will bring peace. I truly have no idea what should (or can) be done.

How about nothing. Let Assad have the country at least it'll be some semblance of peace, let the people there decide if they want to continue fighting or accept Assad. America should tell Israel to fight their own damn battles for once without bringing the rest of the world into it, cut ties with that country and let the middle east get on in the way they want to get on instead of dragging out suffering for more centuries to come. Let America withdraw from the middle east like Trump promised he would. Make trade deals and not war. Where was America or the west when Russia took Crimea? Nowhere because there's no oil in Crimeas general area and it poses no threat to Israel. 

The people did decide they want to fight around the time of the "Arab Spring", and they're still resisting despite being massacred and starved against air superiority with which they cannot compete. The issue is that the vast, vast majority of interference in Syria has been the support for Assad's regime given by Russia and Iran. If no outsiders had involved themselves Assad would have fallen almost immediately, but Iran and especially Russia have completely saved his ass with the kind of resources and air support he needed to push back and gradually take rebel strongholds.

There's no chance that the Middle East would cease to be meddled with if the US left; if anything, that would just create an even larger vacuum and embolden regional powers. It should be noted, after all, that the US had to ask France to wait for them with this latest strike, as they were immediately prepared and anxious to respond to this latest use of chemical weapons. Were the US not here, a bombing still would have taken place.

Like I said, there's no real option that feels proper and doesn't screw over enormous swaths of the population there in some way or another. In the end, all the US did was bomb a few targets where chemical weapons were produced or stored and no deaths were reported... I imagine Russia will put extreme pressure on them to make sure no chemical weapons are used in the future, and pretty much nothing else has changed.



Pentagon provides details on Syria strike

https://youtu.be/ENiT-ayNgt8

 

Last edited by HollyGamer - on 14 April 2018

John2290 said:
CaptainExplosion said:
And now Assad's butt buddy Putin is gonna fire back at us.

We're all fucked. Thanks for nothing, Russia. -_-

Not right now, No Russians were hit thankfully, no civilians killed and Assad's Army seem to take it as a win that they were able to down some of the missiles. I hope this was just a last chance effort to show force before Russia get in deep with the SAA. Even though, I'm almost certain that behind the scenes this has just elevated beyond what it has been for the last few months. I think we are in that pre war state where events are being played out behind the curtain and allies are being cemented. I see people saying Russia is weak to what they once were and too poor to wage open war but they seem to forget China are close allies and have loose canons on their side such as Iran and North Korea. The west has gotten weak compared and the allies are more divided and weakened now more than than ever while the Russian, China, middle eastern alliance just grows stronger and stronger. The world stage is primed for a war, both alliances have their hands on their pistols waiting for a twitch. 

So like I said, we're all fucked, except it's because of Russia, China, Iran, and that tiny shit hole run by a fat man baby.



John2290 said:
CaptainExplosion said:
And now Assad's butt buddy Putin is gonna fire back at us.

We're all fucked. Thanks for nothing, Russia. -_-

 Army seem to take it as a win that they were able to down some of the missiles. 

Pentagon: Every Syrian target hit successfully - CNN 

https://youtu.be/8aTKDnAG9Xg



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HollyGamer said:
John2290 said:

 Army seem to take it as a win that they were able to down some of the missiles. 

Pentagon: Every Syrian target hit successfully - CNN 

https://youtu.be/8aTKDnAG9Xg

If only they hit Assad. He won't be missed.



CaptainExplosion said:
HollyGamer said:

Pentagon: Every Syrian target hit successfully - CNN 

https://youtu.be/8aTKDnAG9Xg

If only they hit Assad. He won't be missed.

If you watch the video , the Pentagon representative answer that, the mission is not to involve into the civil war but to stop any country, regime using chemical weapon. They are carefully chose the target not to have any collateral damage and inflicted civilian or person. 



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