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I totally disagree! BC hasn't helped Microsoft sell more Xbox Ones (which lots of people believed would happen). Which reinforces my belief that BC is a NICE to have, rather than a MUST have. If you have NO interesting games then BC is a great distraction and keeps you using your console, but I'd rather Microsoft spent the money, man and brain power behind BC to create NEW IPs for the Xbox One. Also when I had the original PS3, with the PS2 chip built in, I think I played 1 of my old PS2 games. I honestly didn't miss any of the PS2 games. This tells me that gamers buy new consoles to play new games, not old games. If you want to play old games you install MAME and go all gooeyed about retro stuff. But new consoles should be for new IPs and new experiences, for the most part.

I like Sony's idea of having curated Remasters, that they know people will re-invest in. I see no point in having blanket BC because most games in any generation are totally crap! While selecting the really good ones, that have great gameplay and story and already have a wide fan base, Sony know that the small investment of updating the game will pay off with gamers buying it again, if it offers at the very least a new look. Shadow the Colossus comes to mind.

The only way Sony will have BC is if they use pretty much exactly the same HW as the PS4, in the PS5, but just beef up everything, so everything just runs, with little to no changes by the developers. Something that bumps up everything to 8k with no developer changes would be good, but it wouldn't stop me from buying a PS5 if they left that out.



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GOWTLOZ said:

I didn't say that Jaguar isn't more powerful than the Cell but the performance difference isn't there to emulate the Cell architecture and it is known to be very complicated and more different to the x86 architecture than the PowerPC architecture in the 360. Where did I insult his intelligence? He seems to not have knowledge about various architectures which I do to some degree and appears to consider emulation to be independent of the ability of the hardware which it is not. I was just telling him that, it surely has nothing to do with intelligence as microprocessor architecture isn't common knowledge.

Who says you need to emulate anything? Did you not look anything up? (Binary Translation, Virtualization, Code Morphing)

If you think Microsoft is emulating every single aspect of the Xbox 360 on the Xbox One, you are kidding yourself.
I think people conflate how emulation is done on PC to how it should be on consoles, there is more than one approach to achieving backwards compatibility...

The Cell is PowerPC based, just like the Xbox 360.



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reviniente said:

Ironically, the only ones paying (again, I might add) are the ones having to buy games they already own.

And those who buy it again chose to. If someone doesn't want BC on the console he can't buy it without (at least there haven't been options with or without being sold at the same time... well except old stock from PS3 when it transitioned).

1. If given the choice, most people would choose free, don't you agree?

2. This is parallel universe material. Are you trying to say Xbox owners are somehow paying extra for this feature? If someone doesn't want backwards compatibility, he/she doesn't have to buy/play backwards compatible games.



reviniente said:

And those who buy it again chose to. If someone doesn't want BC on the console he can't buy it without (at least there haven't been options with or without being sold at the same time... well except old stock from PS3 when it transitioned).

1. If given the choice, most people would choose free, don't you agree?

2. This is parallel universe material. Are you trying to say Xbox owners are somehow paying extra for this feature? If someone doesn't want backwards compatibility, he/she doesn't have to buy/play backwards compatible games.

Shall you be teached on the matter that there is no free lunch? BC have a cost, you may not pay it directly but you pay it, because the company doing the R&D need to recoup the money.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
reviniente said:

1. If given the choice, most people would choose free, don't you agree?

2. This is parallel universe material. Are you trying to say Xbox owners are somehow paying extra for this feature? If someone doesn't want backwards compatibility, he/she doesn't have to buy/play backwards compatible games.

Shall you be teached on the matter that there is no free lunch? BC have a cost, you may not pay it directly but you pay it, because the company doing the R&D need to recoup the money.

This is the first time I've seen you give up on a discussion. Maybe it's for the best, really.



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reviniente said:
DonFerrari said:

Shall you be teached on the matter that there is no free lunch? BC have a cost, you may not pay it directly but you pay it, because the company doing the R&D need to recoup the money.

This is the first time I've seen you give up on a discussion. Maybe it's for the best, really.

You probably didn't understand my answer. No biggie.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

I would love to see BC on the PS4 since there's plenty of PS3 games I want to replay.

If it's because of the PS3's architecture as to why the PS4 can't do it then fine, I think that's understandable. If their 'solution' to it was to have people give them even more money just to stream the games they already owned, that's laughable in comparison to how Microsoft did it all for free. 

Last edited by FloatingWaffles - on 21 April 2018

There's always PlayStation Now - http://www.vgchartz.com/article/276131/playstation-now-getting-ps2-games-this-month/



Personally I would rather have remasters... but to be honest I would rather have it on the PS5 than the 4... so they can do a proper job of it.

Still surprised Sony havent started bundling PSNow with PS Plus, they have so much content, its about time for a single Netflix type service with games, movies and music, it would be amazing.



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