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Puppyroach said:
I think the American civil war should be a clear example for everyone that, just because you have the right to bear arms, it doesn´t mean you have good intentions.

Uh..yeah...way to insert the Civil War as an example on a topic that has nothing to do with gun control - both in context or relevance...



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McDonaldsGuy said:
Puppyroach said:

If there is one thing the civil rights movement and the liberation of India shows, is that it´s not the weapons that are the threat to dictators, but rather the will of the people. 

I wish I could be as idealistic as you.

It requires either a brainwashed populace or a large military to subjugate people. 
Militaries are expensive, and it's easy to push back.  

TranceformerFX said:
Puppyroach said:
I think the American civil war should be a clear example for everyone that, just because you have the right to bear arms, it doesn´t mean you have good intentions.

Uh..yeah...way to insert the Civil War as an example on a topic that has nothing to do with gun control - both in context or relevance...

Someone inserted Civil War as an example of how guns are used for freedom in the second page, well before he did.



Final-Fan said:
EricHiggin said:

Not even if it was the last restaurant chain on the planet? How would you impress a date enough to bring them back for some VR 'relations'?

I would just have to survive on all the cheese. 

Buckets of it lol.



TranceformerFX said:
Puppyroach said:
I think the American civil war should be a clear example for everyone that, just because you have the right to bear arms, it doesn´t mean you have good intentions.

Uh..yeah...way to insert the Civil War as an example on a topic that has nothing to do with gun control - both in context or relevance...

Ofcourse it has everything to do with gun control since the confederacy viewed the legitimate government as a tyrannous government that they had to resist. Their reason for this opposition was horrible but that doesn´t change the fact that the 2nd amendment was already deeply rooted in society. The confederate army was also mostly a voluntary one where citizens contributed with different supplies, including weaponry.



the-pi-guy said:
o_O.Q said:

"Most people aren't needlessly malevolent.  The vast majority of people tend to be decent.  "

everyone is malevolent and decent at the same time to varying degrees

no one is decent 100% of the time

you mean to tell me that you've never done an evil act knowing at the time that it as wrong?

you'd be the first human being that has accomplished that i'm sure

I've never stolen from anyone, never murdered anyone, never done drugs, never threatened anyone, etc. 

What evil acts do most people do?  

wow, so you're a completely moral person? you've done an act that you you could cause harm and went through with it anyway?

well goodness the christians have been waiting for your return for years now and yet here you are... its a pleasure to meet you

"What evil acts do most people do?  "

lol do i really need to go into this? i mean really?



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o_O.Q said:

wow, so you're a completely moral person? you've done an act that you you could cause harm and went through with it anyway?

Why would I do something that causes someone harm?

What kind of weird world do you live in?

lol do i really need to go into this? i mean really?

Yes really, because I want to know what evil acts everyone does.  I want to know what your moral bar is.  



the-pi-guy said:
o_O.Q said:

wow, so you're a completely moral person? you've done an act that you you could cause harm and went through with it anyway?

Why would I do something that causes someone harm?

What kind of weird world do you live in?

lol do i really need to go into this? i mean really?

Yes really, because I want to know what evil acts everyone does.  I want to know what your moral bar is.  

"What kind of weird world do you live in?"

uh reality i guess? where everyone is to some extent malevolent?


"Why would I do something that causes someone harm?"

this argument is starting to take a really infantile turn... ok why do people hurt other people?

i mean you do acknowledge that people harm other people right?

and you are from the same species correct? which means that whatever causes people to harm other people is also present in you

unless you think you are somehow a unique case out of the entire species

 

"yes really, because I want to know what evil acts everyone does.  I want to know what your moral bar is.  "

ok i'd say that lying is an example that's pretty frequent



o_O.Q said:

"What kind of weird world do you live in?"

uh reality i guess? where everyone is to some extent malevolent?


"Why would I do something that causes someone harm?"

this argument is starting to take a really infantile turn... ok why do people hurt other people?

i mean you do acknowledge that people harm other people right?

and you are from the same species correct? which means that whatever causes people to harm other people is also present in you

unless you think you are somehow a unique case out of the entire species

 

"yes really, because I want to know what evil acts everyone does.  I want to know what your moral bar is.  "

ok i'd say that lying is an example that's pretty frequent

>uh reality i guess? where everyone is to some extent malevolent?


That's what I'm wondering, what do you consider malevolent?

For example you might consider someone lusting after someone else to be malevolent.  Even if they aren't really actively harming anyone else.  Most people do that.  It isn't illegal, or usually harmful to others, but it's generally considered a sin and would therefore be malevolent.  

But if you personally didn't think that lusting after someone is a sin or something, then you'd likely not believe it to be malevolent.  

If you consider those kinds of things, yes most people are malevolent.  

 

>i mean you do acknowledge that people harm other people right?

OF COURSE PEOPLE DO.

 

>why do people hurt other people?

People hurt other people for all kinds of reasons.  Some people have no such thing called empathy.  Some people have other mental disorders.  

Some people steal because they are hungry.  Sometimes people lie to spare someone's feelings, because they have empathy.

 

When I was talking about people usually being "decent".  I didn't mean they were absolutely flawless, and never lied or never lusted, etc.  
I believe that most people want the best for everyone.  Although the more I talk to some people like yourself, the more I become convinced I am  a unique case amongst the species, because apparently it's unheard of to want the best for people.  

If I could feed the world at the cost of myself, I'd do that.  

If I could end all conflict at the cost of myself, I'd do that.  

I never said that I was perfect, I never said that most people are perfect.  I said I believe most people want the best for everyone.  

I believe most people want a society where there's no murder, no stealing, etc, a society where everyone is able to afford food, housing and healthcare.  A society where freedoms of everyone are protected.