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Could Sony make a successful Switch ?

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potato_hamster said:
EricHiggin said:

I don't necessarily disagree with the handheld having phone options in it, even if there needs to be a base and 'Pro' model, with and without. The question is what price would PS charge for an all in one device like that, and will people pay whatever that price is? Switch is $300 already, plus PS may not want to price their dedicated phones based on the 'Pro' handheld. Since they didn't add 4k BD to PS4 or Pro, it makes me think they wouldn't want to do it with the handheld. That would mean having a dedicated PS phone, and that just get's extremely complicated based on the path they seem to be on. Not impossible, just way too many possibilities and what if's when the phone comes into play.

If it were really going to happen, I would say make it a PS5 product, BC or not. If PS could design the handheld similar to the 3DS, where the screen flips up, but also comes apart and can be used as just a phone, but when you attach it to the controller half, it becomes a handheld, plus a dock that the handheld plugs into for TV with DS4/5, and even a separate boost dock maybe for checkerboard/true 4k. That way the controller portion has x86 and just uses the phone as a display, and the phone is ARM but only plays typical phone games on it's own. Controller half would also have it's own battery. PS games could only be played in handheld mode or docked. The base model would basically have a dummy phone that was just a screen, and the 'Pro' model would have a full fledged phone. Maybe you can take the phone/screen off, and use it to play with a friend like Switch? The screen may be a little small for that though. Something like this, where phone and handheld are merged, because I just don't see a gaming phone on it's own taking off. This or a PS Switch in a 'Pro' model that has full phone functionality. I just don't know how many people would want to carry around something as large as a Switch all day for normal everyday communication, plus the more than likely constant charging. 

A lot of ways they could go, but I see the Switch type device being only somewhat likely. The phone itself, very unlikely. A phone/handheld hybrid? Maybe, just maybe.

If Sony were to make a detachable phone type thing, why not just make a case/controller for the iphone or for android phones, and skip all the other bullshit?

Not sure how simple it would be to do with other phone brands and their hardware, but if SNY is going to continue to sell phones, then to make a portable PS gaming device that can hook up to any phone doesn't really make much sense. Same reason why PS and XB and Nin hardware don't cross over. Depending on what phone you had an what age it was, different connectors would also be necessary. It creates different kinds of headaches. Using a SNY PS branded phone would just make it easier, and once again, keep you more so in their ecosystem, and out of others. For those that want to keep their iPhone, and want a PS portable, they could just buy the cheaper version with the screen (dummy phone). Just another potential idea. 



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EricHiggin said:
potato_hamster said:

If Sony were to make a detachable phone type thing, why not just make a case/controller for the iphone or for android phones, and skip all the other bullshit?

Not sure how simple it would be to do with other phone brands and their hardware, but if SNY is going to continue to sell phones, then to make a portable PS gaming device that can hook up to any phone doesn't really make much sense. Same reason why PS and XB and Nin hardware don't cross over. Depending on what phone you had an what age it was, different connectors would also be necessary. It creates different kinds of headaches. Using a SNY PS branded phone would just make it easier, and once again, keep you more so in their ecosystem, and out of others. For those that want to keep their iPhone, and want a PS portable, they could just buy the cheaper version with the screen (dummy phone). Just another potential idea. 

So I can use Playstation Now, Pokemon Go, that New Animal crossing game, etc. on any new iPhone, but having another app that plays other Playstation or Nitnendo games would be too confusing for cosnumers?

Making a new phone (or phones), a new/adapted ecosystem, a new operating system, getting app developers on board, developing new features and enhancements, maintaining everything, and educating the market etc. would be easier for Nintendo to do than it would be to create a gamepad case for the post popular Samsung and Apple phones that make up what? 70%+ of the smart phone market? Sony already slapped playstation branding on a phone with a built in game pad. It failed miserably.

All of those problems you mentioned are *Far* easier to solve than it is to create an entirely new phone, and convince people to buy it.

Users would prefer having to go out and buy a new phone than getting a case for something they're familiar with and likely have already invested in in terms of purchases that they would lose by switching to a new ecosystem?

Okay. Keep thinking that.



potato_hamster said:
EricHiggin said:

Not sure how simple it would be to do with other phone brands and their hardware, but if SNY is going to continue to sell phones, then to make a portable PS gaming device that can hook up to any phone doesn't really make much sense. Same reason why PS and XB and Nin hardware don't cross over. Depending on what phone you had an what age it was, different connectors would also be necessary. It creates different kinds of headaches. Using a SNY PS branded phone would just make it easier, and once again, keep you more so in their ecosystem, and out of others. For those that want to keep their iPhone, and want a PS portable, they could just buy the cheaper version with the screen (dummy phone). Just another potential idea. 

So I can use Playstation Now, Pokemon Go, that New Animal crossing game, etc. on any new iPhone, but having another app that plays other Playstation or Nitnendo games would be too confusing for cosnumers?

Making a new phone (or phones), a new/adapted ecosystem, a new operating system, getting app developers on board, developing new features and enhancements, maintaining everything, and educating the market etc. would be easier for Nintendo to do than it would be to create a gamepad case for the post popular Samsung and Apple phones that make up what? 70%+ of the smart phone market? Sony already slapped playstation branding on a phone with a built in game pad. It failed miserably.

All of those problems you mentioned are *Far* easier to solve than it is to create an entirely new phone, and convince people to buy it.

Users would prefer having to go out and buy a new phone than getting a case for something they're familiar with and likely have already invested in in terms of purchases that they would lose by switching to a new ecosystem?

Okay. Keep thinking that.

Not tough for consumers, for PS/SNY. Why doesn't PS just make an app and put it on XB1 and have PS gamers buy an XB1, a separate DS4 if they like, and play the PS games they buy on the XB1, on PSN? That way, PS spends way less on hardware, and XB gets ripped off for doing all the hard work, only to have gamers buying many PS games and playing them on their hardware. This would also be great for PS gamers if they liked some XB titles as well, since they would also be able to play them, just like iPhone and Android users. XB gamers would also be able to easily play PS games on their XB1. PS clearly wants as much control over their ecosystem as possible, for many reasons, and by trying to make a controller that uses other phones doesn't fit that model. It also means PS and SNY would purposely be sharing their mobile gaming pie with the other mobile companies, and no business wants to share if they don't have to. Did XB allow cross-play between 360 and PS3?

If PS is so keen on sharing, and not worried about consumers who want to give some of their money to other companies, why haven't they allowed cross-play yet?

Last edited by EricHiggin - on 20 January 2018

EricHiggin said:
potato_hamster said:

So I can use Playstation Now, Pokemon Go, that New Animal crossing game, etc. on any new iPhone, but having another app that plays other Playstation or Nitnendo games would be too confusing for cosnumers?

Making a new phone (or phones), a new/adapted ecosystem, a new operating system, getting app developers on board, developing new features and enhancements, maintaining everything, and educating the market etc. would be easier for Nintendo to do than it would be to create a gamepad case for the post popular Samsung and Apple phones that make up what? 70%+ of the smart phone market? Sony already slapped playstation branding on a phone with a built in game pad. It failed miserably.

All of those problems you mentioned are *Far* easier to solve than it is to create an entirely new phone, and convince people to buy it.

Users would prefer having to go out and buy a new phone than getting a case for something they're familiar with and likely have already invested in in terms of purchases that they would lose by switching to a new ecosystem?

Okay. Keep thinking that.

Not tough for consumers, for PS/SNY. Why doesn't PS just make an app and put it on XB1 and have PS gamers buy an XB1, a separate DS4 if they like, and play the PS games they buy on the XB1, on PSN? That way, PS spends way less on hardware, and XB gets ripped off for doing all the hard work, only to have gamers buying many PS games and playing them on their hardware. This would also be great for PS gamers if they liked some XB titles as well, since they would also be able to play them, just like iPhone and Android users. XB gamers would also be able to easily play PS games on their XB1. PS clearly wants as much control over their ecosystem as possible, for many reasons, and by trying to make a controller that uses other phones doesn't fit that model. It also means PS and SNY would purposely be sharing their mobile gaming pie with the other mobile companies, and no business wants to share if they don't have to. Did XB allow cross-play between 360 and PS3?

If PS is so keen on sharing, and not worried about consumers who want to give some of their money to other companies, why haven't they allowed cross-play yet?

This seems like a pretty asinine argument. There's a world of difference trying to compete against Apple and Google whose phones sell combined sell over 250 million units a year vs the console space which might sell 250 million over 5 years. Apple probably spends more on their iOS development and maintenance in a year than Sony will spent developing and maintaining the PS4 for its entire life. Maybe that's why you can already get a PSN app, and a PSN app on iPhone and android, you can already get Nintendo's voice app, and mobile specific games on iOS and android, and you can already get Xbox apps on iOS and android. It appears Sony, Nintendo and MS already know what seems ridiculous to you - it's a fools errand to try and compete against the juggernaut that is iOS and Android.

Is it really less logical to take it one step further and develop an iPhone or Samsung Galaxy controller case than it is to make an entirely new phone from the ground up?

Sony is currently selling 1/10th as many cell phones per year as Apple is.



potato_hamster said:
EricHiggin said:

Not tough for consumers, for PS/SNY. Why doesn't PS just make an app and put it on XB1 and have PS gamers buy an XB1, a separate DS4 if they like, and play the PS games they buy on the XB1, on PSN? That way, PS spends way less on hardware, and XB gets ripped off for doing all the hard work, only to have gamers buying many PS games and playing them on their hardware. This would also be great for PS gamers if they liked some XB titles as well, since they would also be able to play them, just like iPhone and Android users. XB gamers would also be able to easily play PS games on their XB1. PS clearly wants as much control over their ecosystem as possible, for many reasons, and by trying to make a controller that uses other phones doesn't fit that model. It also means PS and SNY would purposely be sharing their mobile gaming pie with the other mobile companies, and no business wants to share if they don't have to. Did XB allow cross-play between 360 and PS3?

If PS is so keen on sharing, and not worried about consumers who want to give some of their money to other companies, why haven't they allowed cross-play yet?

This seems like a pretty asinine argument. There's a world of difference trying to compete against Apple and Google whose phones sell combined sell over 250 million units a year vs the console space which might sell 250 million over 5 years. Apple probably spends more on their iOS development and maintenance in a year than Sony will spent developing and maintaining the PS4 for its entire life. Maybe that's why you can already get a PSN app, and a PSN app on iPhone and android, you can already get Nintendo's voice app, and mobile specific games on iOS and android, and you can already get Xbox apps on iOS and android. It appears Sony, Nintendo and MS already know what seems ridiculous to you - it's a fools errand to try and compete against the juggernaut that is iOS and Android.

Is it really less logical to take it one step further and develop an iPhone or Samsung Galaxy controller case than it is to make an entirely new phone from the ground up?

Sony is currently selling 1/10th as many cell phones per year as Apple is.

This has nothing to do with specifically trying to take down iOS or Android. It has everything to do with PS and their mostly closed ecosystem. Just like how you can't simply plug any device or add any app to the PS4 and get it to work. It also depends on how PS wants to design the handheld. With different phone sizes and dimensions, just taking any phone and being able to easily plug it in and have it be physically stable and reliable, isn't so simple. Maybe they could or would want to to do that, maybe the design they would want won't work for existing phones. PS much prefers a clean, sleek design. The point is more so the handheld experience, not the phone, but creating a phone that can easily work with the handheld controller design, as well as on it's own. It's about catering to the PS ecosystem, with the benefit of getting more SNY phones out there as a side effect.

If you also think about the younger kids who could end up experiencing a phone for the first time, since it's attached to their PS handheld controller, and that phone being a PS/SNY product, would help with brand recognition in that space over time. There are plenty of people who stay with whatever model/brand they come in contact with initially, as long as it does the job and is reliable. Again, it doesn't mean that PS/SNY will take over the phone market by any means, but it should help them grow that segment larger than it would otherwise.