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archer9234 said:
A 10 no. Did they add back in the National Dex. If they didn't. It can't be a 10.

Unfortunately, no, there is no National Dex. This is a glaring issue in this Gen and I hope it remains in this Gen only because it's absolutely lazy not to have it in. 

The game itself, for me is a 7/10 if you already played S/M since the game is still very familiar.

It's a 8.5/10 if you never played S/M prior

And overall I'd say it's a solid 7/10 as a Pokemon game. Its lack of a National Dex, still having lag (better than in X/Y and S/M though), and annoyingly long tutorial (basically the first island) hurts it. 



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burninmylight said:
RJTM1991 said:

'Cause the guy with the Paper Mario avatar and page full of Wii games totally isn't biased, right?

I agreed with another user earlier that reviews from Playstation and Xbox sites shouldn't be counted either, so I'm certainly not biased, I'm just not a fan of fansites that do nothing but pad review scores.

Also, I can't have an opinion on Nintendo games because I have a Playstation? That's just stupid.

And yes, again, mainline Nintendo games are different than spinoffs. For example, you can't compare Animal Crossing: New Leaf to Amiibo Festival, or Mario Strikers to Odyssey. No need to turn this into something that it isn't.

When the guy with the Paper Mario avatar and page full of Wii games showed you proof of how the site in question is unbiased in its reviews, he sounds a lot less biased than the guy who reads one article headline and comes up with a half-assed hot take on the spot.

And you can have an opinion on games you most likely have never played all you want. Your opinions become worthless when you haven't played said games though.

It doesn't matter if mainline games are different from spinoffs. Nintendo still publishes them, advertises them, tries to sell them and wants them to review well. What's just stupid is your suggestion that they are somehow irrelevant.

Also, the same people that run NintendoLife run this site:

http://www.pushsquare.com/

With some of the same staff members from NL. Does this mean we shouldn't trust them for game reviews on Nintendo OR Sony consoles? They must be raking in hella cash from all that moneyhatting.

Well, no, you listed a bunch of terrible cash-ins and tried to push that as proof. You can say whatever you want, it's completely different.

"And you can have an opinion on games you most likely have never played all you want. Your opinions become worthless when you haven't played said games though."

Who said I haven't played them?

The site's called NintendoLife, it's run by hardcore Nintendo fans who owe their current jobs to Nintendo, and I'm guessing that they'll get review copies and other things sent to them too, but they're totally not biased, right?

You're just blindly defending a fansite because you're a fan, I think it's pretty pointless to continue this.



RJTM1991 said:
burninmylight said:

When the guy with the Paper Mario avatar and page full of Wii games showed you proof of how the site in question is unbiased in its reviews, he sounds a lot less biased than the guy who reads one article headline and comes up with a half-assed hot take on the spot.

And you can have an opinion on games you most likely have never played all you want. Your opinions become worthless when you haven't played said games though.

It doesn't matter if mainline games are different from spinoffs. Nintendo still publishes them, advertises them, tries to sell them and wants them to review well. What's just stupid is your suggestion that they are somehow irrelevant.

Also, the same people that run NintendoLife run this site:

http://www.pushsquare.com/

With some of the same staff members from NL. Does this mean we shouldn't trust them for game reviews on Nintendo OR Sony consoles? They must be raking in hella cash from all that moneyhatting.

Well, no, you listed a bunch of terrible cash-ins and tried to push that as proof. You can say whatever you want, it's completely different.

And those terrible cash-ins got poor or mediocre review scores for being poor or mediocre games. The good games got good scores. See how this works?

"And you can have an opinion on games you most likely have never played all you want. Your opinions become worthless when you haven't played said games though."

Who said I haven't played them?

OK,  have you played them?

The site's called NintendoLife, it's run by hardcore Nintendo fans who owe their current jobs to Nintendo, and I'm guessing that they'll get review copies and other things sent to them too, but they're totally not biased, right?

You're just blindly defending a fansite because you're a fan, I think it's pretty pointless to continue this

I'm defending a site because I visit it regularly and am familiar with it enough to know that it doesn't shill for reviews just because it has Nintendo in the name. If you had any history of visiting NL before this thread, you would have said so already. But you don't, you came into this thread and you made a blind assumption based on one review.

Let me put it this way: if I was on NintendoLife's forums and someone said "VGChartz is just a bunch of idiots making up game sales off the top of their heads just to sound smart," then I'd explain to that person the work and process that the members here use to get their numbers. If that makes me a blind VGC fanboy, then sure, whatevs.


And those same hardcore Nintendo fans also run a sister site called Push Square, but you're blindly ignoring that fact. So yes, I'd say it's pretty pointless to continue this if you're going to continue to ignore facts, cover your ears and eyes and sing too loud to listen to reason.



StarOcean said:
archer9234 said:
A 10 no. Did they add back in the National Dex. If they didn't. It can't be a 10.

Unfortunately, no, there is no National Dex. This is a glaring issue in this Gen and I hope it remains in this Gen only because it's absolutely lazy not to have it in. 

The game itself, for me is a 7/10 if you already played S/M since the game is still very familiar.

It's a 8.5/10 if you never played S/M prior

And overall I'd say it's a solid 7/10 as a Pokemon game. Its lack of a National Dex, still having lag (better than in X/Y and S/M though), and annoyingly long tutorial (basically the first island) hurts it. 

Pokemon Bank (which got updated recently and now works with USUM) is pretty much the National Dex now. Can someone explain to me the big deal about missing an in-game National Dex, outside of not being able to read dex entries? Not saying that it shouldn't be present; I just want to make sure I'm not missing something crucial.

I  just beat the first Island Kahuna, and I'm enjoying the main game a lot more than I thought I would. I skipped S/M and spent a year hearing about the silly story, nonstop cutscenes and Hau, so now that I'm actually playing it, I find that the negative hype isn't nearly as bad. Granted, I'm sure some of this was addressed with Ultra.



They're more liberal with 10/10s than most publications, especially considering that they only review games on Nintendo platforms (and mobile Nintendo games). I'm not shocked by this score.



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burninmylight said:
StarOcean said:

Unfortunately, no, there is no National Dex. This is a glaring issue in this Gen and I hope it remains in this Gen only because it's absolutely lazy not to have it in. 

The game itself, for me is a 7/10 if you already played S/M since the game is still very familiar.

It's a 8.5/10 if you never played S/M prior

And overall I'd say it's a solid 7/10 as a Pokemon game. Its lack of a National Dex, still having lag (better than in X/Y and S/M though), and annoyingly long tutorial (basically the first island) hurts it. 

Pokemon Bank (which got updated recently and now works with USUM) is pretty much the National Dex now. Can someone explain to me the big deal about missing an in-game National Dex, outside of not being able to read dex entries? Not saying that it shouldn't be present; I just want to make sure I'm not missing something crucial.

I  just beat the first Island Kahuna, and I'm enjoying the main game a lot more than I thought I would. I skipped S/M and spent a year hearing about the silly story, nonstop cutscenes and Hau, so now that I'm actually playing it, I find that the negative hype isn't nearly as bad. Granted, I'm sure some of this was addressed with Ultra.

Just like how Pokemon Bank was a forced pay wall onto us. Instead of being a one time $20 game, like Pokemon Box 2. Or the ability to just do all its features within the game, in the first place. Laziness and corporate greed. What happens in 10 years, when Bank is no longer supported. XY-Present are now orphaned from the past physical games. I want the national dex in the game. Because That's basically saying use google to get your answers. It's stupid, a money grab, and not efficient.

I have no incentive to bother collecting anything anymore. Since I can't keep track of anything easily. The whole notion of making it easier for new comers is BS. Because the National Dex is only unlocked at the end of the game. It's a choice for those people to care to do or not. I don't have a choice with the National Dex missing. Except pay $5 for some crap, that's probably a 10MB server file, I don't really want. These are the last Pokemon games I buy. Since they no longer care about the games legacy. Except to make you buy Bank subs and that stupid National Pokedex book.

Last edited by archer9234 - on 21 November 2017

burninmylight said:
StarOcean said:

Unfortunately, no, there is no National Dex. This is a glaring issue in this Gen and I hope it remains in this Gen only because it's absolutely lazy not to have it in. 

The game itself, for me is a 7/10 if you already played S/M since the game is still very familiar.

It's a 8.5/10 if you never played S/M prior

And overall I'd say it's a solid 7/10 as a Pokemon game. Its lack of a National Dex, still having lag (better than in X/Y and S/M though), and annoyingly long tutorial (basically the first island) hurts it. 

Pokemon Bank (which got updated recently and now works with USUM) is pretty much the National Dex now. Can someone explain to me the big deal about missing an in-game National Dex, outside of not being able to read dex entries? Not saying that it shouldn't be present; I just want to make sure I'm not missing something crucial.

I  just beat the first Island Kahuna, and I'm enjoying the main game a lot more than I thought I would. I skipped S/M and spent a year hearing about the silly story, nonstop cutscenes and Hau, so now that I'm actually playing it, I find that the negative hype isn't nearly as bad. Granted, I'm sure some of this was addressed with Ultra.

These are the best pair since B2W2. I'm giving a very constructive view of the games. However, even USUM aren't close to HGSS which is by far the best made Pokemon games to date. That game is as flawless as you can get, Pokemon-wise. But USUM aren't too behind



archer9234 said:
burninmylight said:

Pokemon Bank (which got updated recently and now works with USUM) is pretty much the National Dex now. Can someone explain to me the big deal about missing an in-game National Dex, outside of not being able to read dex entries? Not saying that it shouldn't be present; I just want to make sure I'm not missing something crucial.

I  just beat the first Island Kahuna, and I'm enjoying the main game a lot more than I thought I would. I skipped S/M and spent a year hearing about the silly story, nonstop cutscenes and Hau, so now that I'm actually playing it, I find that the negative hype isn't nearly as bad. Granted, I'm sure some of this was addressed with Ultra.

Just like how Pokemon Bank was a forced pay wall onto us. Instead of being a one time $20 game, like Pokemon Box 2. Or the ability to just do all its features within the game, in the first place. Laziness and corporate greed. What happens in 10 years, when Bank is no longer supported. XY-Present are now orphaned from the past physical games. I want the national dex in the game. Because That's basically saying use google to get your answers. It's stupid, a money grab, and not efficient.

I have no incentive to bother collecting anything anymore. Since I can't keep track of anything easily. The whole notion of making it easier for new comers is BS. Because the National Dex is only unlocked at the end of the game. It's a choice for those people to care to do or not. I don't have a choice with the National Dex missing. Except pay $5 for some crap, that's probably a 10MB server file, I don't really want. These are the last Pokemon games I buy. Since they no longer care about the games legacy. Except to make you buy Bank subs and that stupid National Pokedex book.

GameFreak has been implementing paywalls on us from the get-go.

-Version exclusive Pokemon that you need to either have a friend or another copy of the game to get back in the day, and even some Pokemon like Eevee and the Hitmons that you can only get one critter of.

-Third/ultimate versions that can now easily be DLC instead of another $40 paywall for new/remixed content.

-Twenty years later, and still only one save file per copy! This is so asinine, and I see people defending it online all the time, then turn around and complain about third/ultimate versions!

I wasn't defending Bank, but out of all of GF's bullshit practices, I find it to be the most reasonable. The original Pokemon Bank was a GameCube disc that wasn't online. This is a cloud service. I think you're pretty spot on about the 10MB server file, but we're still talking about millions of files over the course of years. If bank goes offline or loses support for older games in 10 years, you just simply upload all your critters to a later game that is still supported. By then, we'll have Mega X and Y, Midnight Sun and Daytime Moon, and Hunter Green and Springtime Passion Red anyway, and they will still be selling 15 million copies each.

If we lived in a perfect world where corporate greed wasn't a thing, GF and Nintendo would make Bank free as part of the Nintendo online subscription in the future.