Forums - General Discussion - NeoGAF in shambles (now back, no OT discussion, statement from Evilore)

Resetera will suffer the same fate as NeoGAF, probably faster, a small group of like-minded zealots with carefully curated content trying to our-virtue signal each other is too fragile for long term survival. Evilore put all his eggs into the "listen and believe" basket and his children ate him alive.



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jlauro said:

How does anyone keep up on noise on those sites. NeoGAF and ResetEra have 4 categories.  VGChartz has 21 so it's easier to not be flooded.

That's actually my problem with gaf. It's too hard to find threads on certain things, everything is all lumped in together. I much prefer the separation that VGC has, you want a thread about something, you look in the forum section about that thing, simple.



Bet Shiken that COD would outsell Battlefield in 2018. http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8749702

numberwang said:
Resetera will suffer the same fate as NeoGAF, probably faster, a small group of like-minded zealots with carefully curated content trying to our-virtue signal each other is too fragile for long term survival. Evilore put all his eggs into the "listen and believe" basket and his children ate him alive.

Just as long as the people manning the place aren't a bunch of shower creeps, they should be fine. Any forum that's run by a person like that should go down in flames, no matter what the politics.



Aura7541 said:
jlauro said:

Don't really care, but also curious if mentioning VGC would have the same ban effect on ResetEra.  

It didn't look like mentioning VGC would equal an instant ban. ResetEra also doesn't automatically change VGChartz to a bunch of asterisks. However, someone did start a thread citing VGC's numbers and ZhugeEx locked it because they're not reliable.

He locked it because they are not reliable?So what?They are still numbers to base speculation upon, and its not like they come out of someone ass.

I know that he is probably trying to create quality conversation, but thats too much to simply lock a thread because you dont agree with the numbers.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

Nautilus said:
Aura7541 said:

It didn't look like mentioning VGC would equal an instant ban. ResetEra also doesn't automatically change VGChartz to a bunch of asterisks. However, someone did start a thread citing VGC's numbers and ZhugeEx locked it because they're not reliable.

He locked it because they are not reliable?So what?They are still numbers to base speculation upon, and its not like they come out of someone ass.

I know that he is probably trying to create quality conversation, but thats too much to simply lock a thread because you dont agree with the numbers.

The numbers aren't true though. VGChartz is merely a tracker and not good for determining hard sales. Usually bringing them up in sales talk outside this forum only serves as a distraction. I personally rather see a culmination of solid data, so I kind of don't blame him. This is why I miss NPD figures.



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RJ_Sizzle said:
Nautilus said:

He locked it because they are not reliable?So what?They are still numbers to base speculation upon, and its not like they come out of someone ass.

I know that he is probably trying to create quality conversation, but thats too much to simply lock a thread because you dont agree with the numbers.

The numbers aren't true though. VGChartz is merely a tracker and not good for determining hard sales. Usually bringing them up in sales talk outside this forum only serves as a distraction. I personally rather see a culmination of solid data, so I kind of don't blame him. This is why I miss NPD figures.

NPD numbers aren't true either though. NPD is merely a tracker as well.

Sure, they may have more coverage than VGC but they still don't have 100% coverage so they still aren't 100% accurate.



Bet Shiken that COD would outsell Battlefield in 2018. http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8749702

RJ_Sizzle said:
Nautilus said:

He locked it because they are not reliable?So what?They are still numbers to base speculation upon, and its not like they come out of someone ass.

I know that he is probably trying to create quality conversation, but thats too much to simply lock a thread because you dont agree with the numbers.

The numbers aren't true though. VGChartz is merely a tracker and not good for determining hard sales. Usually bringing them up in sales talk outside this forum only serves as a distraction. I personally rather see a culmination of solid data, so I kind of don't blame him. This is why I miss NPD figures.

What Kapi said.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

Ka-pi96 said:
RJ_Sizzle said:

The numbers aren't true though. VGChartz is merely a tracker and not good for determining hard sales. Usually bringing them up in sales talk outside this forum only serves as a distraction. I personally rather see a culmination of solid data, so I kind of don't blame him. This is why I miss NPD figures.

NPD numbers aren't true either though. NPD is merely a tracker as well.

Sure, they may have more coverage than VGC but they still don't have 100% coverage so they still aren't 100% accurate.

NPD are numbers from retailers and distributors with a margin of error.  VGChartz numbers are straight up guesses with less tangible data. There's a huge degree of difference.



RJ_Sizzle said:
Ka-pi96 said:

NPD numbers aren't true either though. NPD is merely a tracker as well.

Sure, they may have more coverage than VGC but they still don't have 100% coverage so they still aren't 100% accurate.

NPD are numbers from retailers and distributors with a margin of error.  VGChartz numbers are straight up guesses with less tangible data. There's a huge degree of difference.

VGC isn't straight up guesses. They get their data from somewhere and extrapolate from that. I don't know where they get that data from, but I also don't know who exactly NPD gets their data from, doesn't mean I'm going to accuse NPD of lying about having sources though...



Bet Shiken that COD would outsell Battlefield in 2018. http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8749702

RJ_Sizzle said:
Ka-pi96 said:

NPD numbers aren't true either though. NPD is merely a tracker as well.

Sure, they may have more coverage than VGC but they still don't have 100% coverage so they still aren't 100% accurate.

NPD are numbers from retailers and distributors with a margin of error.  VGChartz numbers are straight up guesses with less tangible data. There's a huge degree of difference.

If you call VGChartz numbers guesses, than you must also call NPD numbers guesses.  NPD might have more data, but it's not that different.  Also, VGChartz does adjust it's numbers when more data is available, so the older the numbers, or totals for something that has been selling a long time the more accurate.