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curl-6 said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

Maybe it's not that great then  

TRUST ME, when 3D World + Bowser's Fury launches though ... 

It's going to be YHUGE!!! 

3D World's a good game, but not in the same league as Odyssey. It's multiplayer focus means its level design, while elegant, is also rather simplistic and lacks the variety of depth of Odyssey.

I don't know what you're talking about. Odyssey's level design has the depth of paper. Yea I guess it has more going on and more verticality, but it doesn't really matter much if the objectives are simple and bland, and always super easy.  

3D World also has about as much variety as you could possibly ask for in a linear non-sandbox Mario game, too. I guess maybe you mean variety in movesets or presentation though, which I can understand. 



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AngryLittleAlchemist said:
curl-6 said:

3D World's a good game, but not in the same league as Odyssey. It's multiplayer focus means its level design, while elegant, is also rather simplistic and lacks the variety of depth of Odyssey.

I don't know what you're talking about. Odyssey's level design has the depth of paper. Yea I guess it has more going on and more verticality, but it doesn't really matter much if the objectives are simple and bland, and always super easy.  

3D World also has about as much variety as you could possibly ask for in a linear non-sandbox Mario game, too. I guess maybe you mean variety in movesets or presentation though, which I can understand. 

Verticality and more going on, but also hidden areas to discover, and tons of objects you can possess with each have their own properties.

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AngryLittleAlchemist said:
curl-6 said:

3D World's a good game, but not in the same league as Odyssey. It's multiplayer focus means its level design, while elegant, is also rather simplistic and lacks the variety of depth of Odyssey.

I don't know what you're talking about. Odyssey's level design has the depth of paper. Yea I guess it has more going on and more verticality, but it doesn't really matter much if the objectives are simple and bland, and always super easy.  

3D World also has about as much variety as you could possibly ask for in a linear non-sandbox Mario game, too. I guess maybe you mean variety in movesets or presentation though, which I can understand. 

One thing I really dislike about 3D World is how inconsistent its levels are thematically. Each world has its own theme, you have the water world, the ice world, the cloudy world, etc, but then it's always just the first stage that fits the theme of its world and then the other stages are just variations on other stages you found in different worlds. It kinda ruins the immersion of the game, makes it seem like nothing more than just a set of challenges for you to overcome, which itself is kind of an issue since there's pretty much zero challenge during the game's first 5 worlds and the difficulty curve is basically a flat line.

I know that Mario games aren't known for their immersion, that's not what they're supposed to be best at, but personally I really can't care about a videogame if I'm not invested in anything that's going on in it. It's just worse when you compare it to another linear platformer that came around that time, Tropical Freeze, which had masterful level design and worlds that felt entirely cohesive, with each level being part of a larger "story". Without needing to have any actual narrative.

Odyssey is a lot better at this, it's a game I could actually have some investment in. But personally, I'm never truly gonna care about Mario.



CaptainExplosion said:
Raven said:

I think it partially has to do with the fact that Mario tends to be the more "mainstream" of Nintendo's IPs, so there's more of a balance between forum-goers, families, and non-hardcore gaming fans that enjoy the series than stuff like Zelda or Metroid. Odyssey is a great game though, I enjoyed it the whole way through. Can't wait for 3DW + Bowser's Fury at this point, that should be a blast.

Yeah, it should. ^^ Still wish we got a new Wario game on Switch.

I want a Wario Land 1+2+3 Remake lol



curl-6 said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

I don't know what you're talking about. Odyssey's level design has the depth of paper. Yea I guess it has more going on and more verticality, but it doesn't really matter much if the objectives are simple and bland, and always super easy.  

3D World also has about as much variety as you could possibly ask for in a linear non-sandbox Mario game, too. I guess maybe you mean variety in movesets or presentation though, which I can understand. 

Verticality and more going on, but also hidden areas to discover, and tons of objects you can possess with each have their own properties.

3D World actually has a ton of hidden areas, some of them even can be hard to find iirc. But yea, there's nothing like the possession mechanic. 

mZuzek said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

I don't know what you're talking about. Odyssey's level design has the depth of paper. Yea I guess it has more going on and more verticality, but it doesn't really matter much if the objectives are simple and bland, and always super easy.  

3D World also has about as much variety as you could possibly ask for in a linear non-sandbox Mario game, too. I guess maybe you mean variety in movesets or presentation though, which I can understand. 

One thing I really dislike about 3D World is how inconsistent its levels are thematically. Each world has its own theme, you have the water world, the ice world, the cloudy world, etc, but then it's always just the first stage that fits the theme of its world and then the other stages are just variations on other stages you found in different worlds. It kinda ruins the immersion of the game, makes it seem like nothing more than just a set of challenges for you to overcome, which itself is kind of an issue since there's pretty much zero challenge during the game's first 5 worlds and the difficulty curve is basically a flat line.

I know that Mario games aren't known for their immersion, that's not what they're supposed to be best at, but personally I really can't care about a videogame if I'm not invested in anything that's going on in it. It's just worse when you compare it to another linear platformer that came around that time, Tropical Freeze, which had masterful level design and worlds that felt entirely cohesive, with each level being part of a larger "story". Without needing to have any actual narrative.

Odyssey is a lot better at this, it's a game I could actually have some investment in. But personally, I'm never truly gonna care about Mario.

Yea that's a part of 3D World I'm not really keen on either. I think it was even mentioned in reviews of the game at the time. It's a bit hard because, part of the problem is that no single world theme in Mario games is super interesting, and with how much content they tend to pack into each world, you'd basically just be asking for more worlds at that point. At the same time, it doesn't exactly feel immersive or organic to have an entire world for each type of possible theme. There's probably creative ways around this but Nintendo didn't take them. Nintendo's world design kind of sucks. 



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AngryLittleAlchemist said:
curl-6 said:

Verticality and more going on, but also hidden areas to discover, and tons of objects you can possess with each have their own properties.

3D World actually has a ton of hidden areas, some of them even can be hard to find iirc. But yea, there's nothing like the possession mechanic. 

There wasn't any sense of discovery in 3D World though cos the game's limited array of components meant there was never anything really interesting to find in them.



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curl-6 said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

3D World actually has a ton of hidden areas, some of them even can be hard to find iirc. But yea, there's nothing like the possession mechanic. 

There wasn't any sense of discovery in 3D World though cos the game's limited array of components meant there was never anything really interesting to find in them.

I mean, no one is denying that one game is more exploration heavy. Just that your assertion is, subjectively, wrong to me. I don't think either game is particularly great at having hidden content that's inherently interesting to find, to be honest. It's all an excuse to spend even more time in levels you already like. If anything I might give that to 3D World just based on sheer consistency, since stamps were one of the coolest collectibles I've ever experienced and they were usually hidden. 

That being said, Odyssey just by it's nature is usually better at being specifically interesting due to it's exploration. Finding out that jumping off a cliff wasn't an insta-death in Steam Gardens is still one of the coolest moments of this generation for me. 



AngryLittleAlchemist said:
curl-6 said:

There wasn't any sense of discovery in 3D World though cos the game's limited array of components meant there was never anything really interesting to find in them.

I mean, no one is denying that one game is more exploration heavy. Just that your assertion is, subjectively, wrong to me. I don't think either game is particularly great at having hidden content that's inherently interesting to find, to be honest. It's all an excuse to spend even more time in levels you already like. If anything I might give that to 3D World just based on sheer consistency, since stamps were one of the coolest collectibles I've ever experienced and they were usually hidden. 

That being said, Odyssey just by it's nature is usually better at being specifically interesting due to it's exploration. Finding out that jumping off a cliff wasn't an insta-death in Steam Gardens is still one of the coolest moments of this generation for me. 

I mean, just last night I was playing Metro Kingdom and found that possessing a parked taxi took me to a hidden zone where you battle and possess tanks, collapsing girders to create bridges, in a storm. Can't think of anything that cool in 3D World.



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curl-6 said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

I mean, no one is denying that one game is more exploration heavy. Just that your assertion is, subjectively, wrong to me. I don't think either game is particularly great at having hidden content that's inherently interesting to find, to be honest. It's all an excuse to spend even more time in levels you already like. If anything I might give that to 3D World just based on sheer consistency, since stamps were one of the coolest collectibles I've ever experienced and they were usually hidden. 

That being said, Odyssey just by it's nature is usually better at being specifically interesting due to it's exploration. Finding out that jumping off a cliff wasn't an insta-death in Steam Gardens is still one of the coolest moments of this generation for me. 

I mean, just last night I was playing Metro Kingdom and found that possessing a parked taxi took me to a hidden zone where you battle and possess tanks, collapsing girders to create bridges, in a storm. Can't think of anything that cool in 3D World.

I mean, that sounds about as inherently interesting as using a motorcycle to outrun a T-Rex. Yet, that moment in Odyssey is one of the biggest disappointments, and that's even on top of the dopamine you get from finding a secret mission like that. It's so bland, so poorly done and just ends up being super pedestrian. 



AngryLittleAlchemist said:
curl-6 said:

I mean, just last night I was playing Metro Kingdom and found that possessing a parked taxi took me to a hidden zone where you battle and possess tanks, collapsing girders to create bridges, in a storm. Can't think of anything that cool in 3D World.

I mean, that sounds about as inherently interesting as using a motorcycle to outrun a T-Rex. Yet, that moment in Odyssey is one of the biggest disappointments, and that's even on top of the dopamine you get from finding a secret mission like that. It's so bland, so poorly done and just ends up being super pedestrian. 

I found it quite the opposite of pedestrian, it was an awesome rush finding stuff like the aforementioned tank zone or the secret woods, I loved that feeling of finding something cool and unexpected.



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