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S.T.A.G.E. said:
curl-6 said:

Still better than a Sony monopoly in my opinion; competition drives companies to improve their services. MS getting a thrashing this gen has already seen them investing more in first party studios and producing a more games-centric machine this time around. PS3 struggling against the 360 led Sony to produce a more affordable and developer friendly PS4.

I would agree with your point if services didnt supersede the consoles value. The game Xbox is playing is taking value from the console and putting it into programs or software itself. The console in and of itself is just an option. Sure, the console will sell fairly well but we will see what happens when people who have a PC dont have to buy a console if they dont want it. Were going to learn how many PC gamers own a console and how much having no exclusives can affect the market. To be quite honest, despite Sony needing adequate competition Microsoft is the scarier option to have a monopoly because they constantly go off on their own tangent where they lose consumers, arent developing up to par and have a history of monopolistic behavior which forced their branches to be separated.

Xbox won't ever have a monopoly though because of Playstation. As long as they compete, neither will be able to get away with doing whatever they want, because they'll have to try to appeal to the consumer more than the other guy. 

If Xbox disappeared, and Playstation was the only game in town for dedicated console gaming, there would be nothing stopping them from pulling all kinds of anti-consumer nastiness, because consumers wouldn't have an alternative.

As such, I think it's important for the industry that MS continues to make Xbox hardware. None of them should go third party in my opinion.

Last edited by curl-6 - on 13 June 2020

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curl-6 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

I would agree with your point if services didnt supersede the consoles value. The game Xbox is playing is taking value from the console and putting it into programs or software itself. The console in and of itself is just an option. Sure, the console will sell fairly well but we will see what happens when people who have a PC dont have to buy a console if they dont want it. Were going to learn how many PC gamers own a console and how much having no exclusives can affect the market. To be quite honest, despite Sony needing adequate competition Microsoft is the scarier option to have a monopoly because they constantly go off on their own tangent where they lose consumers, arent developing up to par and have a history of monopolistic behavior which forced their branches to be separated.

Xbox won't ever have a monopoly though because of Playstation. As long as they compete, neither will be able to get away with doing whatever they want, because they'll have to try to appeal to the consumer more than the other guy. 

If Xbox disappeared, and Playstation was the only game in town for dedicated console gaming, there would be nothing stopping them from pulling all kinds of anti-consumer nastiness, because consumers wouldn't have an alternative.

As such, I think it's important for the industry that MS continues to make Xbox hardware. None of them should go third party in my opinion.

We've seen every single one of the Big 3 get too big for their britches after a successful gen, and then get humbled into going back to being more customer and/or dev friendly. I used to think that MS has no place in the market either, but that's changed. In addition to pushing forward tech and online services, it keeps Sony in check like you said.

If Sony and MS didn't have to keep their eyes on each other, then a Stadia-like console would already exist from one of them. We almost got a similar thing with the original vision of the Xbone.



I loved the Xbox and the 360 but not liked the direction it has gone since about 2010 with Don up to Phil.  Right now all I see XBSX doing is keeping Sony honest but little else and Sony will still win out of the two. Even tho they mostly do not appeal to me. Sony is very good at getting that new IP that will sell to a more casual audience. Games that paint with a broad stroke and appeal to a mass. Those "cinematic" adventure games and sprinkle in some cartoon mascot games. MS keeps relying on IPs with a shrinking base. Sure they bought some studios but they have done that in the past. They also shut down a lot of projects and even a couple of studios under Phil. We saw a lot of ho-hum games with XBO. I don't see that changing soon. A couple of those studios made some games ranging from mediocre to really bad. Some made some good stuff of course. They are also pushing Hellblade 2. That's fine and all but didn't that game only sell 1 million copies across 4 systems? Not a mass seller. Maybe it has a growing audience so who knows. I do know I would own an Xbox one if they released Phantom Dust and Scalebound.

While I always want the competition to prevent a monopoly, I just wish MS was better at it. 360 was the closest they had to success in Japan and despite early gen hardware problems. Easily the best console they made and likely ever will. MS is kinda doing what SEGA did in the mid to late 90s. Release some of their games on PC and handhelds not competing with them. (Neo Geo Pocket which btw connected to DC similar to GBA link to GC) I know Phil Spencer means well but honestly don't think he's doing that great. Nintendo will do whatever it is they do and be fine. Switch. Phones. Pokeballs. Theme parks, whatever.

Sorry to sound too negative on MS. Again I love their older Xbox systems. I collect for multiple platforms. I don't wave a flag (Except classic SEGA lol). I just go where the games are. Not a big fan of Sony as a company but their consoles get the most games I want to play. I would love for MS to get back to the greatness that was 360. I'd love for them to address all my worries and surprise me. Tho there is a small part of me that thinks how they took over SEGA's spot and post 360 not felt they lived up to it. Sorry I know it's a Nintendo thread. Sorry to get a bit off track. Just had to vent a little. Just finish with this.

I want all 3 to be great. I have some doubts but I want them to be proven wrong.



Bite my shiny metal cockpit!

Happy to say that even in the desolate wastelands that were 2015/16 for Nintendo, I never once believed they should go third party or that they wouldn’t bounce back. And I could have easily predicted that all these kinds of topics back then would age laughably bad.

They had too much generational cultivated brand loyalty over too long by the time Wii U hit for that to have happened, even with a huge misfire like Wii U. Sony is probably at that same point too now, - where they could have a failed era and still be ok in the long run - though I’d argue they just got to that point after this gen. MS is the only one of the three that still lacks that kind of cultivated brand loyalty now, which means they could live or die by how successful their next console is. 

Last edited by HyrulianScrolls - on 14 June 2020

IcaroRibeiro said:
Can't we just let this thread die already? I cringe a bit every time I read this title

OP understood he was miserably wrong, I see no point in circlejerking the subject

Welcome to VGChartz. Where we circlejerk dead, necro-bumped threads half a decade later.



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burninmylight said:
curl-6 said:

Xbox won't ever have a monopoly though because of Playstation. As long as they compete, neither will be able to get away with doing whatever they want, because they'll have to try to appeal to the consumer more than the other guy. 

If Xbox disappeared, and Playstation was the only game in town for dedicated console gaming, there would be nothing stopping them from pulling all kinds of anti-consumer nastiness, because consumers wouldn't have an alternative.

As such, I think it's important for the industry that MS continues to make Xbox hardware. None of them should go third party in my opinion.

We've seen every single one of the Big 3 get too big for their britches after a successful gen, and then get humbled into going back to being more customer and/or dev friendly. I used to think that MS has no place in the market either, but that's changed. In addition to pushing forward tech and online services, it keeps Sony in check like you said.

If Sony and MS didn't have to keep their eyes on each other, then a Stadia-like console would already exist from one of them. We almost got a similar thing with the original vision of the Xbone.

This is true from a competitive standpoint, but Microsoft has always pushed Sony to push features and online with little else. Sony has got Microsoft stuck on the most important thing which are games. They have them so stuck that they built their largest studio right next to Sony so they can keep tabs on their talent crop. Thats the difference.



curl-6 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

I would agree with your point if services didnt supersede the consoles value. The game Xbox is playing is taking value from the console and putting it into programs or software itself. The console in and of itself is just an option. Sure, the console will sell fairly well but we will see what happens when people who have a PC dont have to buy a console if they dont want it. Were going to learn how many PC gamers own a console and how much having no exclusives can affect the market. To be quite honest, despite Sony needing adequate competition Microsoft is the scarier option to have a monopoly because they constantly go off on their own tangent where they lose consumers, arent developing up to par and have a history of monopolistic behavior which forced their branches to be separated.

Xbox won't ever have a monopoly though because of Playstation. As long as they compete, neither will be able to get away with doing whatever they want, because they'll have to try to appeal to the consumer more than the other guy. 

If Xbox disappeared, and Playstation was the only game in town for dedicated console gaming, there would be nothing stopping them from pulling all kinds of anti-consumer nastiness, because consumers wouldn't have an alternative.

As such, I think it's important for the industry that MS continues to make Xbox hardware. None of them should go third party in my opinion.

 I agree, but you see Xbox and their wandering eyes. They naturally want everything. The only thing stopping them from getting it is content.



S.T.A.G.E. said:
curl-6 said:

Xbox won't ever have a monopoly though because of Playstation. As long as they compete, neither will be able to get away with doing whatever they want, because they'll have to try to appeal to the consumer more than the other guy. 

If Xbox disappeared, and Playstation was the only game in town for dedicated console gaming, there would be nothing stopping them from pulling all kinds of anti-consumer nastiness, because consumers wouldn't have an alternative.

As such, I think it's important for the industry that MS continues to make Xbox hardware. None of them should go third party in my opinion.

 I agree, but you see Xbox and their wandering eyes. They naturally want everything. The only thing stopping them from getting it is content.

Well, I have absolute confidence in the ability of Sony to keep MS in check. I just can't see MS ever beating Sony to the extent that it's not at least a heated competition.



Bet with Liquidlaser: I say PS5 and Xbox Series will sell more than 56 million combined by the end of 2023.

curl-6 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

 I agree, but you see Xbox and their wandering eyes. They naturally want everything. The only thing stopping them from getting it is content.

Well, I have absolute confidence in the ability of Sony to keep MS in check. I just can't see MS ever beating Sony to the extent that it's not at least a heated competition.

Microsoft just wants to turn everything into a subscription. Now that as been normalized, once Sony sees that money were going to go further into subscription hell. Just like that, the console realm will be left to Nintendo by themselves while Sony and Microsoft seek multi-platform status. The ways for them to get more money out of you is endless.



S.T.A.G.E. said:
curl-6 said:

Well, I have absolute confidence in the ability of Sony to keep MS in check. I just can't see MS ever beating Sony to the extent that it's not at least a heated competition.

Microsoft just wants to turn everything into a subscription. Now that as been normalized, once Sony sees that money were going to go further into subscription hell. Just like that, the console realm will be left to Nintendo by themselves while Sony and Microsoft seek multi-platform status. The ways for them to get more money out of you is endless.

Both MS and Sony (and Nintendo for that matter) have brought elements into gaming I don't like or approve of, but if any one of them had a complete monopoly, I shudder to think how much worse they'd be. As long as Playstation is around there is a limit to how far Xbox can go in their attempts to fleece consumers, and vice versa.

And like I've said, just personally I prefer Xbox to Playstation consoles in general, so I for one am glad we have three console makers instead of just 2, or worse still, 1.



Bet with Liquidlaser: I say PS5 and Xbox Series will sell more than 56 million combined by the end of 2023.