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Shaddup, you Pony! 676 36.15%
 
Switch > PC/PS4/XBO 375 20.05%
 
I can buy them all, anyway 99 5.29%
 
Nintendon't need more 29 1.55%
 
Keep only doing handhelds 81 4.33%
 
Maybe one more gen... 78 4.17%
 
Sounds good! 277 14.81%
 
I have always wanted it... 90 4.81%
 
Don't care about Nintendo 125 6.68%
 
Sonic > Mario 40 2.14%
 
Total:1,870
Leynos said:
Was it about 5 years ago a report came out that Nintendo could lose $250 million a year for 38 years before they would be in any danger? So 4 years of Wii U didn't hurt them overall that much at all.

They wouldn't be in any danger of running out of money, but they would be in danger stockholders voting to enact major changes and things like a hostile takeover.  If the Switch had performed as poorly as the Wii U, Nintendo's future as a console maker would be in jeapordy.



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Leynos said:
Was it about 5 years ago a report came out that Nintendo could lose $250 million a year for 38 years before they would be in any danger? So 4 years of Wii U didn't hurt them overall that much at all.

That was a very simplified take on Nintendo's financial situation, not a report. Either way, Nintendo would have been able to endure more than one unsuccessful generation, hence why none of the "Nintendo should go third party" threads that we've had over the years (and we've had a lot of them) could ever argue from a sound business point of view. The closest anyone got was "well, what if from here on out it will always be like the Wii U," but that was an unrealistic premise when Nintendo had far more successful than unsuccessful consoles in their history and already shown with the Wii that they can bounce back big time on the back of their first party software alone.



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PAOerfulone said:

Indeed. 

Furthermore, with Sega, they had a long string of failures that led to their demise as a hardware manufacturer. The Genesis/Mega Drive was really the exception rather than the rule. The Master System didn’t do well at all as it was dwarfed by the NES. The Saturn flopped, all their handhelds flopped. The Dreamcast had a promising start, but as soon as the PS2 was announced, that was all she wrote.

With Nintendo, aside from the Wii U and GameCube, all of their consoles and handhelds have ranged from so-so (N64/3DS) to absolutely juggernaut (DS/Wii/Switch). 

SEGA was successful in arcades but it wasn't enough. DC was doomed before launch because of the 32X and Saturn failures already bankrupt them. They were on the brink of going out of business. All that saved them was a dying CEO who left his entire fortune to SEGA to keep them afloat until Sammy bought them.

Oh and Gamecube was not a failure. Not in the least. Sure it didn't seel the most consoles but they made a profit on it.



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Leynos said:
PAOerfulone said:

Indeed. 

Furthermore, with Sega, they had a long string of failures that led to their demise as a hardware manufacturer. The Genesis/Mega Drive was really the exception rather than the rule. The Master System didn’t do well at all as it was dwarfed by the NES. The Saturn flopped, all their handhelds flopped. The Dreamcast had a promising start, but as soon as the PS2 was announced, that was all she wrote.

With Nintendo, aside from the Wii U and GameCube, all of their consoles and handhelds have ranged from so-so (N64/3DS) to absolutely juggernaut (DS/Wii/Switch). 

SEGA was successful in arcades but it wasn't enough. DC was doomed before launch because of the 32X and Saturn failures already bankrupt them. They were on the brink of going out of business. All that saved them was a dying CEO who left his entire fortune to SEGA to keep them afloat until Sammy bought them.

Oh and Gamecube was not a failure. Not in the least. Sure it didn't seel the most consoles but they made a profit on it.

no money equal go bad. Nintendo have tons of money when Wiiu disaster occurred.



How does such a thread even exist? if you want Nintendo as a third party you need to believe that all exclusivities should go on every system existing. Otherwise you're just being hypocrite and hateful to Nintendo.



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Illusion said:
It's fun to laugh at this thread now but people don't realize how ugly things were looking for Nintendo a short while ago. The Wii U was a disaster and smartphone gaming was decimating the 3DS in the latter part of the its life. Also, it wasn't clear at all that the "fusion" concept between portable and console that the Switch went with would be successful. The Switch had to do absolutely everything right and it did, but this doesn't take from the fact that Nintendo was at the lowest point since the NES during the Wii U era and was very close to becoming the next Sega. Hopefully the Wii U era teaches Nintendo to be less overconfident in the future. Just because a console like the Wii or the Switch catches fire and sells well doesn't mean that the general public will buy any piece of junk you throw at them or that developers will just figure out how to make it's gimmick popular. Nintendo should keep this in mind with the successor to the Switch: the market is changing quickly and finding the new cool requires effort, being able to tell your users what they want and need and reflecting on what you have been doing in the past in ways that makes you uncomfortable...

Nintendo is handling smartphones just fine, where's Angry Birds these days?

The only thing that's been decimated is Nintendo's dedicated handhelds. A feat no-one else has ever been able to achieve.

If they can handle Apple and Samsung smartphones, outsell Sony and MS home consoles and crush dedicated handheld systems, it's not Nintendo that has to worry.



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curl-6 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

The only company that has won a gen is Sony & Nintendo. Xbox only keeps playstation at bay by having equal amounts of third party. Microsoft is playing a very, very odd game right now saying console sales dont matter and yet are playing pricing games with Sony. Their words dont match their actions.

Still better than a Sony monopoly in my opinion; competition drives companies to improve their services. MS getting a thrashing this gen has already seen them investing more in first party studios and producing a more games-centric machine this time around. PS3 struggling against the 360 led Sony to produce a more affordable and developer friendly PS4.

I would agree with your point if services didnt supersede the consoles value. The game Xbox is playing is taking value from the console and putting it into programs or software itself. The console in and of itself is just an option. Sure, the console will sell fairly well but we will see what happens when people who have a PC dont have to buy a console if they dont want it. Were going to learn how many PC gamers own a console and how much having no exclusives can affect the market. To be quite honest, despite Sony needing adequate competition Microsoft is the scarier option to have a monopoly because they constantly go off on their own tangent where they lose consumers, arent developing up to par and have a history of monopolistic behavior which forced their branches to be separated.