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Pemalite said:
RolStoppable said:

Another example of PS fans getting away with more dates back a couple of days ago when Pemalite was asked if he's really that dumb as well as being accused of trolling because of his PC vs. PS5 comparisons.

He didn't get away with it. And I brought it up in the mod thread.

Sorry, it's not clear from my post that I was talking about two different people.

You are right, the guy who asked you if you are dumb got addressed by you here, but his post didn't contain a mod note.

Here is the post of the guy who accused you of trolling. It was a direct response to another moderator (SpokenTruth) who reminded people of general guidelines for the thread, so it would be hard to miss for the mod team.



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Since this has become a longer topic than I expected, I'll address what I can. I'm not going into detail on Pyro's moderation history, and won't really give much attention to the moderation itself, but while it will stand, the duration will probably be reduced. Hey, sometimes mods can get things wrong, adjustments are then needed, and I am not above that. Feedback aides growth which aides a better community! I appreciate it!

Regarding forum etiquette, no one is expected to be perfect, but you can certainly back yourself into a corner if infractions (or line treading) becomes habitual. Inconsistencies can also arise (within moderators) because mods can't be everywhere at once. What one person may be banned for and another not (at least in a moment) could simply be down to it not being brought up to the mod team (remember report, Report, REPORT). No guarantee that every one of them will result in action taken, but it's at least a step in the right direction.

Hopefully, that addresses a few concerns/questions!

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RolStoppable said:
Pemalite said:

He didn't get away with it. And I brought it up in the mod thread.

Sorry, it's not clear from my post that I was talking about two different people.

You are right, the guy who asked you if you are dumb got addressed by you here, but his post didn't contain a mod note.

Here is the post of the guy who accused you of trolling. It was a direct response to another moderator (SpokenTruth) who reminded people of general guidelines for the thread, so it would be hard to miss for the mod team.

He didn't get a mod note, because it was an informal warning.
He hadn't been moderated in about a year, last ban was a few years ago, so I felt that was a sufficient measure to take to curb his behavior which seems to have been successful.

If it continued or it escalated, then the moderation measures would have thus matched.

Contrary to popular belief we don't run around and just ban everyone willy-nilly for the smallest of infractions, our jobs are to try and guide people to be more civil and constructive, often the simplest approaches are the best... Often that might just be a private message, sometimes an in-thread warning, allot goes on behind the scenes you are not actually be privy to in this regard.

eva01beserk didn't actually call me a troll, could he have been moderated? Perhaps, but that is a very fine line he didn't cross in my opinion. (Other admins/moderators might have disagreed, but that is me personally.)- And again if it continued to escalate, then measures would have been taken.

I do appreciate your concerns though and it's valuable feedback.



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padib said:

Part of me doesn't want to help the mods on this one because I feel like whatever drove that ban was what I was worried about in the team in the first place: using herd mentality and the opinion of the greater number to determine justice rather than the actual content. Part of me wants to say something in hoping that the mod team shows some intention to change that tendency. I produced a report of posts which were much more insulting than the post by Pyro mentioned above. This is the question I asked earlier to the team but I never got a proper answer from the team. There is definitely something wrong here about how trolling is being judged overall. There seems to be more severity towards trolling Sony than trolling Nintendo or Microsoft. I see many negative comments or posts about Microsoft, often, with no action taken. It is important to judge all content objectively regardless of the amount of people who cry out against it. It is very important to maintain objectivity in this aspect in my humble opinion.

That is exactly how it works from my experience. Whether they change things or not depends on if enough people make a stink about it. I get it, no one wants to be hated by the majority, so it's safest to just roll with whatever the popular opinion is, that's just one of the golden rules of life. It just sucks as those of us who stick to being honest and objective no matter what tend to get mislabeled and screwed over.



Lonely_Dolphin said:
padib said:

Part of me doesn't want to help the mods on this one because I feel like whatever drove that ban was what I was worried about in the team in the first place: using herd mentality and the opinion of the greater number to determine justice rather than the actual content. Part of me wants to say something in hoping that the mod team shows some intention to change that tendency. I produced a report of posts which were much more insulting than the post by Pyro mentioned above. This is the question I asked earlier to the team but I never got a proper answer from the team. There is definitely something wrong here about how trolling is being judged overall. There seems to be more severity towards trolling Sony than trolling Nintendo or Microsoft. I see many negative comments or posts about Microsoft, often, with no action taken. It is important to judge all content objectively regardless of the amount of people who cry out against it. It is very important to maintain objectivity in this aspect in my humble opinion.

That is exactly how it works from my experience. Whether they change things or not depends on if enough people make a stink about it. I get it, no one wants to be hated by the majority, so it's safest to just roll with whatever the popular opinion is, that's just one of the golden rules of life. It just sucks as those of us who stick to being honest and objective no matter what tend to get mislabeled and screwed over.

Making a stink won’t always result in changes. Also, being honest and objective isn’t discouraged - but it doesn’t mean you can do/say what ever you please. Without some form of balance, someone may expect to do what they want. 

Simply put, that’s not going to happen either.



                                                                                                             

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CGI-Quality said:
Lonely_Dolphin said:

That is exactly how it works from my experience. Whether they change things or not depends on if enough people make a stink about it. I get it, no one wants to be hated by the majority, so it's safest to just roll with whatever the popular opinion is, that's just one of the golden rules of life. It just sucks as those of us who stick to being honest and objective no matter what tend to get mislabeled and screwed over.

Making a stink won’t always result in changes. Also, being honest and objective isn’t discouraged - but it doesn’t mean you can do/say what ever you please. Without some form of balance, someone may expect to do what they want. 

Simply put, that’s not going to happen either.

That's what you'd say of course, but actions tell a different story. I didn't say anything about letting people do whatever they want, but I am of the belief that, as long as whatever it is doesn't hurt anyone, then it's fine. And I mean actually hurt, not just butt hurt over a viewpoint different from their own.



Do people have the impression that if enough people report a post it's going to moderated?

I've only been on I think a couple of weeks now... but in that time, I think I've seen like one post actually get reported multiple times. So... if people think that a particular fanbase is just mass reporting posts and employing some sort of mob rule... it's just not really happening.

Going from a regular user to a moderator, the actual amount of reported posts is considerably less than I imagined. I'm not saying go on a reporting spree, but if you legitimately think someone is crossing the line, be the change you wish to see in the world.



I stopped reporting years ago its inefficent and less fun then ( @RolStoppable ? ) walking the line



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kirby007 said:
I stopped reporting years ago its inefficent and less fun then ( @RolStoppable ? ) walking the line

It's always "than" in a comparison.



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Lonely_Dolphin said:
CGI-Quality said:

Making a stink won’t always result in changes. Also, being honest and objective isn’t discouraged - but it doesn’t mean you can do/say what ever you please. Without some form of balance, someone may expect to do what they want. 

Simply put, that’s not going to happen either.

That's what you'd say of course, but actions tell a different story. I didn't say anything about letting people do whatever they want, but I am of the belief that, as long as whatever it is doesn't hurt anyone, then it's fine. And I mean actually hurt, not just butt hurt over a viewpoint different from their own.

Actions do speak and sometimes, you have to take responsibility for them. ;)

Also, your belief is false. You'll of course see it how you want, but from experience as both a mod and a user, you're wrong.