Forums - Nintendo Discussion - 3DS is sold out in the whole usa since black friday, blame it on Pokemon mania and Nintendo's conservative expectations.

Illusion said:
SpokenTruth said:

They, like Sony and MS, do not manufacture the hardware itself.  Foxconn does.  Manufacturing for the Wii was already at a 24/7 pace with multiple lines dedicated.  To increase production even more would have required a whole new factory to be designed, approved, paid for, constructed, machinery installed, employees trained and manufacturing began.   On top of that, these devices are built from hundreds of suppliers providing components.  If one supplier is at max capacity for production, you cannot make more.

So what's more realistic to you?  Nintendo is just stupid and doesn't want to increase production to meet demand because they are stupid?  Or the costs, time and supply bottlenecks for the global distribution of a complicated device might just play a role in availability?  I sincerely hope you don't think there is a modicum of column A.  It's all a balance of costs to increase production versus returns plus costs of wharehousing if you manufacture too many (which has also happened).

I would possibly buy that in the case of the Wii simply because of the demand being far beyond anything that Nintendo had previously experienced but I do not buy this for the 3DS.  Up until this year, Nintendo had been manufacturing close to 10 million 3DS units yearly and this was the first year that Nintendo was really tapering supply.  A little bit of foresight back in July could have shown Nintendo that they could have easily sold another 8-9 million this year and I think that they could have easily contacted their suppliers and asked for a return to the previous year's shipments without a lot of extra cost (maybe they wouldn't have gotten quite 10 million but I think they could have got a lot more than 6 without the need for any new factories being set up).

The fact is that Nintendo DOES make a lot of business mistakes and you don't have to be a wallstreet exec to see them.  We wouldn't have gotten the Wii U if Nintendo knew what they were doing.  Nintendo did absolutely nothing to harness the INSANE popularity of Pokemon GO.  The one thing that they could have done was to leverage the newfound popularity of Pokemon by making Pokemon Sun/Moon a massive hype-fest, instead the wind gets taken out of their sales due to a lack of supply.  There is no way that you can convince me curtailing 3DS production in this manner was a smart business decision during a Christmas seasonwhen the Wii U is literally selling zero units.  I think that the real problem is that Nintendo is especially out of touch with their western market.  They really do not know what is popular and what is cool here and by the time they figure it out, it is already too late.

So, you claim they are just stupid and that no business element (supply, wharehousing, Switch, ROI, etc...) played a role.



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Ps4 now gone as well at my store.

No word on 3DS yet despite my link above.



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spurgeonryan said:
Ps4 now gone as well at my store.

No word on 3DS yet despite my link above.

OMG, Sony is so stupid to let the PS4 have a stock shortage.  They should have known exactly when it would run low because retail orders never determine production runs.



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Illusion said:
SpokenTruth said:

They, like Sony and MS, do not manufacture the hardware itself.  Foxconn does.  Manufacturing for the Wii was already at a 24/7 pace with multiple lines dedicated.  To increase production even more would have required a whole new factory to be designed, approved, paid for, constructed, machinery installed, employees trained and manufacturing began.   On top of that, these devices are built from hundreds of suppliers providing components.  If one supplier is at max capacity for production, you cannot make more.

So what's more realistic to you?  Nintendo is just stupid and doesn't want to increase production to meet demand because they are stupid?  Or the costs, time and supply bottlenecks for the global distribution of a complicated device might just play a role in availability?  I sincerely hope you don't think there is a modicum of column A.  It's all a balance of costs to increase production versus returns plus costs of wharehousing if you manufacture too many (which has also happened).

I would possibly buy that in the case of the Wii simply because of the demand being far beyond anything that Nintendo had previously experienced but I do not buy this for the 3DS.  Up until this year, Nintendo had been manufacturing close to 10 million 3DS units yearly and this was the first year that Nintendo was really tapering supply.  A little bit of foresight back in July could have shown Nintendo that they could have easily sold another 8-9 million this year and I think that they could have easily contacted their suppliers and asked for a return to the previous year's shipments without a lot of extra cost (maybe they wouldn't have gotten quite 10 million but I think they could have got a lot more than 6 without the need for any new factories being set up).

The fact is that Nintendo DOES make a lot of business mistakes and you don't have to be a wallstreet exec to see them.  We wouldn't have gotten the Wii U if Nintendo knew what they were doing.  Nintendo did absolutely nothing to harness the INSANE popularity of Pokemon GO.  The one thing that they could have done was to leverage the newfound popularity of Pokemon by making Pokemon Sun/Moon a massive hype-fest, instead the wind gets taken out of their sales due to a lack of supply.  There is no way that you can convince me curtailing 3DS production in this manner was a smart business decision during a Christmas seasonwhen the Wii U is literally selling zero units.  I think that the real problem is that Nintendo is especially out of touch with their western market.  They really do not know what is popular and what is cool here and by the time they figure it out, it is already too late.

where in the world did you get that from? They shipped 10 million copies initially. Some people here thought it was TOO MUCH of a shipment. The games are selling well and I haven't read anything that shows that it is slowing down. It's a given that Pokemon sells. Why do you think the original games still sold well as physical re releases in Japan or that XY and ORAS found new life in the sales charts?



Same thing with NES CLassic. I've been trying for FIVE weeks to get a NES Classic. I don't even want it for myself, it would be a gift for my sister at Christmas. She grew up with these games, and been asking me since it was announced to try to find one.
It's been SO hard, I still don't even have one. EB Games in Canada sent out an email the other night that each store would be getting 4 units minimum, I showed up at 8:30 in the morning and there was 4 people in line, the manager opened the door and said who's the first 4? They identified and rest were told to go home, I was 5th in line. Twice it's been stuck in my Bestbuy shopping cart, I was like 12 seconds from checkout when they sold out.

It's fucking ridiculous.



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****Question for you all****

What comes first. Nintendo shipping a console or a retailer ordering one?

Answer that and you've solved the riddle to why the 3DS and NES Classic sold out without immediate restocks.



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SpokenTruth said:
****Question for you all****

What comes first. Nintendo shipping a console or a retailer ordering one?

Answer that and you've solved the riddle to why the 3DS and NES Classic sold out without immediate restocks.

I don't understand what you're getting at, they should be shipping at LEAST over 40 to a store. Are you blaming the retailers for not ordering enough? I don't know but I don't believe that. As far as I know it's Nintendo telling them how much they are getting (at least Nintendo Classics)

I'm quite certain this is Nintendo's problem, but EB Games (America's GameStop) got FOUR consoles per store yesterday in Canada... Let that sink in for a moment. Four little NES Classics. Is that even viable 3 days away from Christmas? Why aren't they shipping 100's of these things? It's been near impossible to find one of these things for over a month. There's something wrong there. I refuse to pay $250 to some scalper that waited in line to buy his unit for $80 and resell it.

Sorry but I legitimately think this is Nintendo's problem. And I promise you this will happen with Switch too.



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Smashed said:
SpokenTruth said:
****Question for you all****

What comes first. Nintendo shipping a console or a retailer ordering one?

Answer that and you've solved the riddle to why the 3DS and NES Classic sold out without immediate restocks.

I don't understand what you're getting at, they should be shipping at LEAST over 40 to a store. Are you blaming the retailers for not ordering enough? I don't know but I don't believe that. As far as I know it's Nintendo telling them how much they are getting (at least Nintendo Classics)

I'm quite certain this is Nintendo's problem, but EB Games (America's GameStop) got FOUR consoles per store yesterday in Canada... Let that sink in for a moment. Four little NES Classics. Is that even viable 3 days away from Christmas? Why aren't they shipping 100's of these things? It's been near impossible to find one of these things for over a month. There's something wrong there. I refuse to pay $250 to some scalper that waited in line to buy his unit for $80 and resell it.

Sorry but I legitimately think this is Nintendo's problem. And I promise you this will happen with Switch too.

Well they outright said they're starting with 2 million shipment come release in March and will request more to be manufactured if demand increases. Plus I thought some people here have already counted out the Switch with all the latest rumors on its specs and ports alone :P



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Nintendo is doomed guys, doomed!

Yep! They should just become third parties!!!! 



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Smashed said:
SpokenTruth said:
****Question for you all****

What comes first. Nintendo shipping a console or a retailer ordering one?

Answer that and you've solved the riddle to why the 3DS and NES Classic sold out without immediate restocks.

I don't understand what you're getting at, they should be shipping at LEAST over 40 to a store. Are you blaming the retailers for not ordering enough? I don't know but I don't believe that. As far as I know it's Nintendo telling them how much they are getting (at least Nintendo Classics)

I'm quite certain this is Nintendo's problem, but EB Games (America's GameStop) got FOUR consoles per store yesterday in Canada... Let that sink in for a moment. Four little NES Classics. Is that even viable 3 days away from Christmas? Why aren't they shipping 100's of these things? It's been near impossible to find one of these things for over a month. There's something wrong there. I refuse to pay $250 to some scalper that waited in line to buy his unit for $80 and resell it.

Sorry but I legitimately think this is Nintendo's problem. And I promise you this will happen with Switch too.

No, it's up to Nintendo to try sell these product to retailers, but retailers are the ones who decide how much stock they'll order.

Here's how it roughly works from what i understand: Nitnendo has a new product called NES classic. They'll talk to retail giants to carry the product.

Retailers then decides to carry the product or not, if so how much. (first problem starts here, because nintendo sales were down this gen, orders will be low). Where I work, orders are done through a cgo(computer generated ordering), it predicts how much to order based on sales history, then management will make changes to the orders based on that they see fit.

Nintendo will determine how much to produce based on orders as well as how much to keep in inventory. (here's the second problem, Nintendo is in a lean cost cutting mode, they will try to keep inventory down to save money, if demand far exceeds inventory, they will have to produce more which will take time)

Last, orders will be shipped by sea or air, probably almost all will be by sea becasue it's a lot cheaper, which takes time (idr how long but probably 30days), but this shouldn't affect the initial orders. However, it matters a lot on the next wave of shipments. So, when they are out, they will be out for awhile. Some retailers may try to ask for low volume air shipments before main shipments arrive.

So, it's the consumers fault for now buying enough 3DS and WiiU that these items are low in stock :P . Nah, it's everyones fault but since you cant blame consumers, it's Nintendo's low inventory and low retail orders are to blame.