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Forums - Sales Discussion - November 2016 NPD Thread! Hardware estimates in the OP!

RolStoppable said:
Boutros said:

Oh uhm let's see. Switch this and Switch that. No third-party! Nintendo sexist! Trump Xbox fanboy! PS4 Slim flop! Etc!!

Discuss!

Name three users and maybe I'll see what I can do. Of course that has its price...

I still won't put the 3DS in the title.



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CGI-Quality said:
hudsoniscool said:

I know, but they tried really hard this season, and they took 4 out of the last 5. All I'm saying is it isn't crazy to say they could could take a few of the npd's going forward. Especially if the November leak was true. If those numbers are true than Xbox would have taken November too by a bit if the pro had not launched. I get blasted when I say they should be able to win some months, but other people say Sony is gunna take every month till at least Scorpio and it ain't nothing. 

Blasted? No. I see people disagreeing with you. Nothing wrong with that.

To the topic, yes, that's my point. They tried really hard to win those months, where Sony didn't really do much (and didn't have to, it's a mere 4 NPDs and they're still leading in the country by over a million units).

One won't know what would have happened until we are back in the off months of Jan-August.

Hopefully if Microsoft wins December people won't say it's because Sony didn't try. 



Halo MCC will sell 5+ million copies(including digital)

halo 5 will sell 10 million copies(including digital)

x1 will pass ps4 in USA, and UK.

CGI-Quality said:
zorg1000 said:

What about Battlefield 1, Watch Dogs 2, Titanfall 2, Dishonored 2, Mafia III, Skyrim Remastered

New models+multiple big games+heavy discounts should have led to a YOY increase.

Now let's take a close look at that:

 

  • Battlefield 1 - Fantastic game. Yes. Not much of a system mover, however.
  • WATCH_DOGS 2 - Speaks for itself. Sold less than the original and wasn't accompanied by the same hype.
  • Titanfall 2 - As of now, it's selling worse than the original and was never going to contribute and major amount to the units sold of either console.
  • Dishonored 2 - Isn't a huge franchise like that.
  • Mafia III - While gamers seemed to like it, the game was critically injured, which usually cuts off any kind of legs for console sales.
  • Skyrim Remastered - May have moved some units, but nothing even close to the caliber of a Modern Warfare or some other major title. TES: VI will do that.

 

As for what's up YoY, we don't have solid numbers. So it's pointless to make any full assertions based on one unconfirmed source. You'll have a better idea next month.

Idk seems like making excuses

The combination of Call of Duty, Battlefield, Watch Dogs, Titanfall, Dishonored, Mafia along with first holiday for Slim models and sub-$250 price tags should have put them up YOY.

As for the rumored figures, you should read the post that I originally responded to. He asked why the rumored numbers are considered bad, I said they arent bad but are lower than people thought they would be based on all the things they had going for them.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

zorg1000 said:
CGI-Quality said:

Now let's take a close look at that:

 

  • Battlefield 1 - Fantastic game. Yes. Not much of a system mover, however.
  • WATCH_DOGS 2 - Speaks for itself. Sold less than the original and wasn't accompanied by the same hype.
  • Titanfall 2 - As of now, it's selling worse than the original and was never going to contribute and major amount to the units sold of either console.
  • Dishonored 2 - Isn't a huge franchise like that.
  • Mafia III - While gamers seemed to like it, the game was critically injured, which usually cuts off any kind of legs for console sales.
  • Skyrim Remastered - May have moved some units, but nothing even close to the caliber of a Modern Warfare or some other major title. TES: VI will do that.

 

As for what's up YoY, we don't have solid numbers. So it's pointless to make any full assertions based on one unconfirmed source. You'll have a better idea next month.

Idk seems like making excuses

The combination of Call of Duty, Battlefield, Watch Dogs, Titanfall, Dishonored, Mafia along with first holiday for Slim models and sub-$250 price tags should have put them up YOY.

As for the rumored figures, you should read the post that I originally responded to. He asked why the rumored numbers are considered bad, I said they arent bad but are lower than people thought they would be based on all the things they had going for them.

Hmmm....... what exactly is there to make excuses for?

It's very simple - you offered a bunch of titles that may not have had the selling power of games prior (I say this, because we still don't know if these numbers are legit). Yes, Slim/Mid Gen revisions can (and usually do) help a console's YoY situation, but you also have to have games that people want to buy the system for.

 If these numbers prove true, that would be a logical explanation, not an excuse (unless you're trying to make a claim that things look grim for the PS4 and X1, in which case I would highly disagree, but I doubt you're going that far). 



                                                                                                                                                           

zorg1000 said:
CGI-Quality said:

Now let's take a close look at that:

 

  • Battlefield 1 - Fantastic game. Yes. Not much of a system mover, however.
  • WATCH_DOGS 2 - Speaks for itself. Sold less than the original and wasn't accompanied by the same hype.
  • Titanfall 2 - As of now, it's selling worse than the original and was never going to contribute and major amount to the units sold of either console.
  • Dishonored 2 - Isn't a huge franchise like that.
  • Mafia III - While gamers seemed to like it, the game was critically injured, which usually cuts off any kind of legs for console sales.
  • Skyrim Remastered - May have moved some units, but nothing even close to the caliber of a Modern Warfare or some other major title. TES: VI will do that.

 

As for what's up YoY, we don't have solid numbers. So it's pointless to make any full assertions based on one unconfirmed source. You'll have a better idea next month.

Idk seems like making excuses

The combination of Call of Duty, Battlefield, Watch Dogs, Titanfall, Dishonored, Mafia along with first holiday for Slim models and sub-$250 price tags should have put them up YOY.

As for the rumored figures, you should read the post that I originally responded to. He asked why the rumored numbers are considered bad, I said they arent bad but are lower than people thought they would be based on all the things they had going for them.

I think the biggest damage was CoD's performance.  It's not just down, it's WAY down.  And there was no official bundle for it.  And Assassin's Creed, also a typical console mover, skipped this year.  And aside from Battlefield, all the rest you mentioned were fairly underhyped and Mafia in particular got quite the lukewarm reception.  

And PS4 lowered it's price late in the November game, so that's part of that issue.  But Xbox's problem is that their little game of fire sale after fire sale is a war of diminishing returns.  Having them so frequently has eroded their effectiveness.  So Sony under-utilized their resources and Microsoft has so often over played their hand with the sales that their agression in the Holidays this year just isn't as effective as it has been in the past.  



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Nuvendil said:
zorg1000 said:

Idk seems like making excuses

The combination of Call of Duty, Battlefield, Watch Dogs, Titanfall, Dishonored, Mafia along with first holiday for Slim models and sub-$250 price tags should have put them up YOY.

As for the rumored figures, you should read the post that I originally responded to. He asked why the rumored numbers are considered bad, I said they arent bad but are lower than people thought they would be based on all the things they had going for them.

I think the biggest damage was CoD's performance.  It's not just down, it's WAY down.  And there was no official bundle for it.  And Assassin's Creed, also a typical console mover, skipped this year.  And aside from Battlefield, all the rest you mentioned were fairly underhyped and Mavia in particular got quite the lukewarm reception.  

And PS4 lowered it's price late in the November game, so that's part of that issue.  But Xbox's problem is that their little game of fire sale after fire sale is a war of diminishing returns.  Having them so frequently has eroded their effectiveness.  So Sony under-utilized their resources and Microsoft has so often over played their hand with the sales that their agression in the Holidays this year just isn't as effective as it has been in the past.  

Agree with pretty much all of that, particularily with supa bomba CoD and the part about fire sales and diminishing returns. At this point, any potential Xbox owner would be crazy not to wait for the console to be on sale before buying.



CGI-Quality said:
zorg1000 said:

Idk seems like making excuses

The combination of Call of Duty, Battlefield, Watch Dogs, Titanfall, Dishonored, Mafia along with first holiday for Slim models and sub-$250 price tags should have put them up YOY.

As for the rumored figures, you should read the post that I originally responded to. He asked why the rumored numbers are considered bad, I said they arent bad but are lower than people thought they would be based on all the things they had going for them.

Hmmm....... what exactly is there to make excuses for?

It's very simple - you offered a bunch of titles that may not have had the selling power of games prior (I say this, because we still don't know if these numbers are legit). Yes, Slim/Mid Gen revisions can (and usually do) help a console's YoY situation, but you also have to have games that people want to buy the system for.

 If these numbers prove true, that would be a logical explanation, not an excuse (unless you're trying to make a claim that things look grim for the PS4 and X1, in which case I would highly disagree, but I doubt you're going that far). 

I guess what I'm trying to say is that if you asked someone how much PS4/XBO would sell in Nov a few months ago they would say the combination of those titles, new models and big price cuts would lead to solid YOY growth.

They didn't and both devices sold below most expectations if these numbers are true.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

zorg1000 said:
CGI-Quality said:

Hmmm....... what exactly is there to make excuses for?

It's very simple - you offered a bunch of titles that may not have had the selling power of games prior (I say this, because we still don't know if these numbers are legit). Yes, Slim/Mid Gen revisions can (and usually do) help a console's YoY situation, but you also have to have games that people want to buy the system for.

 If these numbers prove true, that would be a logical explanation, not an excuse (unless you're trying to make a claim that things look grim for the PS4 and X1, in which case I would highly disagree, but I doubt you're going that far). 

I guess what I'm trying to say is that if you asked someone how much PS4/XBO would sell in Nov a few months ago they would say the combination of those titles, new models and big price cuts would lead to solid YOY growth.

They didn't and both devices sold below most expectations if these numbers are true.

At worst, that's what happened, selling below forum-goer expectations. We don't know Microsoft's or Sony's, so there's no point to speculate that.



                                                                                                                                                           

numbers out yet?



I find it very hard that the difference is only 100k



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