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KingofTrolls said:

I have read all SW book, watched all movies, played some games ( Jedi Academy, Rogue Squadron ) and I never ever though that aspect is missing in storytelling, universe, character development. Long story short - I dont think anyone is interested what Darth Vader or Master Yoda did in theirs beds. 

I hope we understand each other - lesbian/gay characters in lets say Mass Effect didnt push me away from it, I think its just not necessary.

It's not unecessary either, though.

Darth Vader's bedtime antics are the literal genesis of the franchise, so let's not pretend nobody cares just because you don't.



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If they introduce a well developed and written character that will be somewhat important to the story they want to tell and it's openly gay then I see no problem. I hope tho that they don't focus as much in love stories, whether it's a straight or gay rl, as they did with the prequels.



Normchacho said:
I don't get what peoples problem is with gays, women, or minorities being in movies? As long as they aren't caricatures of those people I don't see the issue.

Also, this thread reminds me of a joke I once heard.

You could drop a white guy in Africa and he'd walk around going "Man! Would you look at all these minorities!"

There is no problem.

The problem is people saying they should have one for the sake of having one. To me those stories feel unnatrual, like it has been written around a person not person fit for it.

Look at GoT for example, it has everything in it, midgets, gays/bi, coloured people. However the story fits, it flows naturally. At no point it feels like they included someone for the sake of someone. Guess what we don't have supposed homophobes and biggots of VGChartz attacking the show for including minorities. You know why? because no one cares when done right.

As the old Nike slogan goes "JUST DO IT" , don't tell us you WILL FIND A WAY TO DO IT TO CATER TO SOME NOISY PEOPLE. This is no different than cateing to terrorist demands which Americans are so dead set against.

Also, I don't see Mexican, Indian, Chinese, Japanese movies etc.. being attacked for their lack of diversity. But you know it's cool that shit doesn't impact my life directly so who cares as long as I feel happy in my own little American bubble.



 

 

Torillian said:
Jon-Erich said:

In my opinion, none of this matters. I think unless you're making a documentary or something based on historic fact, the movie makers should not have an obligation to represent anybody, especially when the movie is set in a fictitious universe where Earth's statistics and population figures have no relevance.

That being said, if they want to put gay characters in Star Wars, fine. But they shouldn't do it in a way where the character has to spell out that they're gay, especially when it is not vital to the plot. I hate it when movies and TV shows do that. This is why in 50 years, all the shows an movies that we see as classics right noware still going to hold up while the new shit we have today will be seen as dumb and unintelligent. 

Btw, has anyone else noticed that? The ONLY time we've seen any on-screen romance in the Star Wars movies was when it was essential to the plot? Gay or not gay, they should keep it that way.

Movie makers don't have any obligations to represent realistic diversity, but the post I was replying to seemed to state that minorities were being overrepresented in media which I wanted to look at from a math point of view since I was curious.  Any given single movie does not require a gay character but overall the trend seems to be that LGBT community if underrepresented and not overrepresented in movies.  

I understand that they feel underrepresented but that's also a problem. See, when future generations will look at movies that came out around the time the original Star Wars came out, they'll a classic timeless movie that appeals to everybody. When they a movie from 2016, they won't get it. They aren't going to see something timeless. They're going to see something from 2016. They're going to ask themselves why gay people are being thrown onto the screen like that. Because the problem with Hoolywood and writers is that they haven't yet learned to write stories and scripts for gay people yet. I'll use black people as an example. When you see a black person in a tv show or a movie, do you think to yourself "oh, that's a black guy"? No. You just see him the same way you would see any other character. This is because unless the character is supposed to be a stereotype of some kind, the character wasn't written to "represent" anyone. Until they learn to write gays and other minorities into shows and movies in the same way, the gay person in a movie will continue to be nothing more than the token gay person.

That's why I feel that if a writer can't write gays, then they shouldn't and if the LGBT community has a problem, then the writer should just say that.



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Jon-Erich said:
Torillian said:

Movie makers don't have any obligations to represent realistic diversity, but the post I was replying to seemed to state that minorities were being overrepresented in media which I wanted to look at from a math point of view since I was curious.  Any given single movie does not require a gay character but overall the trend seems to be that LGBT community if underrepresented and not overrepresented in movies.  

I understand that they feel underrepresented but that's also a problem. See, when future generations will look at movies that came out around the time the original Star Wars came out, they'll a classic timeless movie that appeals to everybody. When they a movie from 2016, they won't get it. They aren't going to see something timeless. They're going to see something from 2016. They're going to ask themselves why gay people are being thrown onto the screen like that. Because the problem with Hoolywood and writers is that they haven't yet learned to write stories and scripts for gay people yet. I'll use black people as an example. When you see a black person in a tv show or a movie, do you think to yourself "oh, that's a black guy"? No. You just see him the same way you would see any other character. This is because unless the character is supposed to be a stereotype of some kind, the character wasn't written to "represent" anyone. Until they learn to write gays and other minorities into shows and movies in the same way, the gay person in a movie will continue to be nothing more than the token gay person.

That's why I feel that if a writer can't write gays, then they shouldn't and if the LGBT community has a problem, then the writer should just say that.

I am not a cinema historian by any means, but I would assume that when black characters were first being written into shows that they had similar problems of being poorly written in.  It's only with time and many years of black characters becoming more normal that they began to be better written.  The writing community in general needs experience with these things in order to make them work.  If we say "well you shouldn't write in gay characters until you write them well" then I don't know how we will ever get to that point.  



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vivster said:
Of course because people only believe that you're not racist, sexist or homophobe when you overrepresent every tiny minority.

I just hope he will also include a Jedi with down syndrome or else it would mean that he hates people with down syndrome.

Oh yes, political correctness obsession easily becomes a slippery slope. Anyway, Dancing with the stars already started including contestants with down syndrome, but it still lacks jedis or wookies... ZOMFG, jediphobia and wookiephobia!!!   



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Torillian said:
Jon-Erich said:

I understand that they feel underrepresented but that's also a problem. See, when future generations will look at movies that came out around the time the original Star Wars came out, they'll a classic timeless movie that appeals to everybody. When they a movie from 2016, they won't get it. They aren't going to see something timeless. They're going to see something from 2016. They're going to ask themselves why gay people are being thrown onto the screen like that. Because the problem with Hoolywood and writers is that they haven't yet learned to write stories and scripts for gay people yet. I'll use black people as an example. When you see a black person in a tv show or a movie, do you think to yourself "oh, that's a black guy"? No. You just see him the same way you would see any other character. This is because unless the character is supposed to be a stereotype of some kind, the character wasn't written to "represent" anyone. Until they learn to write gays and other minorities into shows and movies in the same way, the gay person in a movie will continue to be nothing more than the token gay person.

That's why I feel that if a writer can't write gays, then they shouldn't and if the LGBT community has a problem, then the writer should just say that.

I am not a cinema historian by any means, but I would assume that when black characters were first being written into shows that they had similar problems of being poorly written in.  It's only with time and many years of black characters becoming more normal that they began to be better written.  The writing community in general needs experience with these things in order to make them work.  If we say "well you shouldn't write in gay characters until you write them well" then I don't know how we will ever get to that point.  

I don't know about that. I think writters back then were more creative too because they didn't have so many special effect to rely on, so words were used to express the story more.

Look at any black oriented character movie from say the 1960s to early 1990s. Most of them in my opinion tell a better story then modern movies. Not once did it feel like a tocken black person was put in it.  Compare that to catwoman 2004, which was clear hollywood wanted to have a black woman play the character in that instence. Everything about that movie just sucked.



 

 

Cobretti2 said:
Normchacho said:
I don't get what peoples problem is with gays, women, or minorities being in movies? As long as they aren't caricatures of those people I don't see the issue.

Also, this thread reminds me of a joke I once heard.

You could drop a white guy in Africa and he'd walk around going "Man! Would you look at all these minorities!"

There is no problem.

The problem is people saying they should have one for the sake of having one. To me those stories feel unnatrual, like it has been written around a person not person fit for it.

Look at GoT for example, it has everything in it, midgets, gays/bi, coloured people. However the story fits, it flows naturally. At no point it feels like they included someone for the sake of someone. Guess what we don't have supposed homophobes and biggots of VGChartz attacking the show for including minorities. You know why? because no one cares when done right.

As the old Nike slogan goes "JUST DO IT" , don't tell us you WILL FIND A WAY TO DO IT TO CATER TO SOME NOISY PEOPLE. This is no different than cateing to terrorist demands which Americans are so dead set against.

Also, I don't see Mexican, Indian, Chinese, Japanese movies etc.. being attacked for their lack of diversity. But you know it's cool that shit doesn't impact my life directly so who cares as long as I feel happy in my own little American bubble.

This. I agree with the whole post but I wanted to emphasize the bolded part. I love that show/book series but each character is very natural to it because it's not about anyone's sexuality but how everyone is more or less fighting for more power, to survive or for what they think is right. Sparticus is very much the same. Lots of sex staight and gay relationships/sex scenes but no one really minded any of it because it fit naturally to it. 



Cobretti2 said:
Torillian said:

I am not a cinema historian by any means, but I would assume that when black characters were first being written into shows that they had similar problems of being poorly written in.  It's only with time and many years of black characters becoming more normal that they began to be better written.  The writing community in general needs experience with these things in order to make them work.  If we say "well you shouldn't write in gay characters until you write them well" then I don't know how we will ever get to that point.  

I don't know about that. I think writters back then were more creative too because they didn't have so many special effect to rely on, so words were used to express the story more.

Look at any black oriented character movie from say the 1960s to early 1990s. Most of them in my opinion tell a better story then modern movies. Not once did it feel like a tocken black person was put in it.  Compare that to catwoman 2004, which was clear hollywood wanted to have a black woman play the character in that instence. Everything about that movie just sucked.

I think that is true. Not to mention there wasn't an alterior agenda back then. I'll use Rocky as an example. Rocky had Carl Weathers playing Apollo Creed but it wasn't because they wanted a black guy. His personally and the ability to play that persona brought that character to life. Now, had Rocky never existed and the first Rocky movie was being made today, there would be an outcry if a young white guy was playing a down on his luck poor guy from Philly who's suddenly given a chance at fame and glory. There would be all sorts of protests if the black guy was playing as Apollo Creed and Apollo Creed wouldn't be this charming guy with a senese of humor. He would be a straight up asshole and a real bad guy since we can't have sophistication in our writing anymore.



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Um, did he not see the first one? Cause C3PO is like a gay stereotype. He is the gay comic relief of the 50's, in love with his short same gendered partner (R2D2) and he even sparkles with gold lame. Could he really be any gayer?



 

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