Well this thread turned into a "valve a shit, worst security ever, they elite haxors" thread pretty fast.

And look at that a few people who aren't remotely invested popping in with the usual 2 cents.

LMFAO!

Steam's security is fine. As is their track record, so something of this scale happening is mostly definitely a surprise. Even this wasn't a security breach in the traditional sense, just a fuck up on Valve's end.

That said, i do think they've handled the situation pretty poorly. They were were radio silent for the majority of it, and (to the best of my knowledge) they've still not apologized to their user for something that appears to have been entirely their fault.

This wasn't even caused by hackers! This was a caching issue on VALVE's END!

It speaks magnitudes about their incompetence for having compromised their own users ...

We knew it wasn't caused by hackers ages ago though, those claiming it was hackers or that their money was spent were people trying to alarm for no reason.

This was one error on their side but you make it sound like they massively fuck up every waking day.

Also didn't you already make a comment before about Valve and their incompetence?.

People don't seem to have a clue about how little threat this actuall posed to security. The most valuable things revealed by this incident are probably email addresses, the last four numbers of credit card numbers, and the last four numbers of phone numbers (potentially the full number, if you knew where to look). You almost need to be a wizard to make use of such information. In practice, for almost any affected users, this is a nuisance at worst. No one could see anything you can't see in your own profile anyway. Do you see anything critical anywhere in your profile? Me neither.

Valve's communication about this absolutely sucked and the incident itself was bad, but blowing this out of proportions is not good either. This incident poses practically no threat to anyone.

The previous comment was about them sucking, not their incompetence ... 

They do massively keep fuckng up almost everyday ... 

Working on a DOA platform (Steam Machines), introducing an awful controller, getting an F on BBB, and making no new high end games but now it's come to this ... 

It's become very clear to me that Valve is #NotForTheGamers. They seem a whole lot more interested in being an online software retailer (as evidenced by selling non-gaming related software/content) than providing PC gamers or gamers in general with better experience. Valve can fade into irrelevancy for all I care ... 

There's tons of PC gamers that shit on Microsoft (and rightfully so sometimes) but I would rather them represent PC gaming than Valve ... 

I agree.

They don't fuck up every day on a massive scale though....
That's more or less you because you dislike Valve all the way from your pov, you think they are irrelevant, incompetent and suck outright, the way I look at it like that means whatever Valve were to do wouldn't change an iota of your pov which was what led me to quoting you because I wanted to know at the core as to why because there is more to it than the usual fud.

They want to work on Steam machines to expand their market, I don't get why a private owned company is somehow never allowed to expand their horizons and yet it;s somehow perfectly ok and sensible for the likes of Sony or MS. Their Steam machines are basically deals made with other hardware manufacturers/vendors who put together their own versions of a "Steam machine" which means it;s not entirely all completely on Valve considering all the other vendors opted in since Valve doesn't own any of them to force them to do so, they all equally think there is a market out there to expand upon, if you want to have a go at Valve for expanding, have a go at all the 25+ vendors to which you'll be jabbing at a good portion of the PC realm anyway.

The Steam gamepad isn't as disastrous as you make it out to be either, it sounds like you don't like it outright while I'm keeping an open mind about it, others who have tried it find it better than the X1/DS3/4/360 pads for their games along with the ability to profile their gamepads towards their library of games, again I don't see harm or objective negativity within their decision to create their own gamepad, this didn't stop 3rd parties making their own and still making their own to this day along with each console for each gen, I don't see why Valve somehow cannot and isn't allowed to create or innovate within their own space within their own power and money, they are a private company and can do what they wish.

Valve aren't obligated to make you games all the time and pump them out one after another, if anything the past decade alone has shown how saturated some franchises have gotten with the myriad of sequel/prequels coming out along with spinoffs, Valve take their own time doing what they want and since no one owns them or shares to command what they do, they do what they want within their own time (which everyone knows is "Valve time").

I don't see why they are "notforthegamers", again I sense you are just making up reasons to hate them, especially for selling software that actually helps people to make video games, something along with other types of software they have been selling for a long time, this isn't something that suddenly popped up over night, if you've been using Steam since it started and all the way to this point you'd have noticed this. You say Valve can fade away simply because they don't adhere to your vision, I'm sorry but the world doesn't spin in such a rotation.

MS gets shit on because they abandoned PC gamers a long time ago when they sought to create a new market for themselves within the console space, you are blasting Valve for trying to do this very same thing and yet you want  corp, an actual corp that's not private and is run by shareholders and pure PR to run the PC platform and represent them, I would rather not have such an apocalyptic future like that tbh, especially since MS has been documented as hampering PC gaming throughout the gens, making false promises and fucking them up and already into this new gen have they yet to deliver and they already have balls to demand we buy from their store and only game on Windows 10 while Steam allows you to buy and play across all the OS's, I find Valve to be the perfect representative of PC gaming than MS will ever hope to be and I damn well don't want my platform that's open to be run by a closed corp that doesn't give a rats ass about my platform to begin with.

We've already got a one liner user that's not contributing a single thing to this topic and even so it would likely be a negative one and the user isn't even invested nor will they ever, it's almost like they want actual trouble to spark off.