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sc94597 said:

So there are no jobs in between Walmart and having a Master's Degree? I know a plethora of people who make significant amounts with just an associate's or a bachelor's, and would not get a masters because they don't have the time nor can they afford to lose money for what would be a marginal to no pay difference.

Eh, we can include Bachelor's (although they're quite useless in my country) if you want. Not sure what you mean with associate's, not familiar with that term.



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746 people. Seems legit. A ton of polls showed Mitt Romney leading Obama close to the election and we all know how that ended. The fact that polls, surveys, and studies that include a few thousand people or less with issues that millions contribute to are taken seriously is mind blowing. Trump won't win the Republican primary. Calling it. He doesn't have common sense. I mean I like his personality, but you have to control it to be taken seriously. All these tabloid type comments will only get you so far. He also has history as a Democrat and Independent including repeated flip flopping so it will be easy to make negative ads on him as a Republican opponent. Also, even if Republicans like what he says the common person will realize that he isn't electable in an open election because he can't even fake being moderate. Even when he is moderate (I say moderate because he has flip flopped enough to at times where he held moderate positions) he comes off extreme just by his attitude.



I have mixed feelings on this. On the one hand, I'm pulling for Sanders so far. Sanders is a hard sell being a self proclaimed socialist. Kudos for the honesty, but that's a tough sell. I'm not sure he could win against someone like Jeb Bush who is moderate enough to pull some votes from democratic parties. Sanders would need to run against a more polarizing figure to have a real chance.

On the other hand... what if Trump is the republican nominee, and he actually wins. That's a terrifying terrifying thought. The only positive quality people attribute to him is "he speaks his mind". So does mufflover88 on youtube, the schizophrenic who hands out around my shopping center, and my nephew, yet I wouldn't want them as president either. Don't get me wrong, I want a president who speaks their mind. But, the "speaking your mind" part comes AFTER you've done a careful and thoughtful analysis of the issues. I think it was John Stewart who said Donald Trump is a youtube comment brought to life, and that's a pretty apt description.

So, I doubt he would be electable in the general election, and I doubt he'll even be in the top 5 of the primaries when all is said and done, but what if he actually did win, and we elected a president with no self control, no knowledge of the issues, no real plans, no research, and no dignity? I've never bought into the stupid partisan rhetoric. I didn't like McCain or Romney, but I didn't go around saying that they'd ruin the country if they were elected. But based on what we've seen, Trump is a candidate who could legitimately fuck America in the ass with a spike studded dildo. So, it's kind of risky that he's even in it.

But since all sides of our ridiculous partisan media is against him, I'm holding out hope that the fucked up system will actually work to the people's benefit this time.



I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry, I'll probably do both.



Samus Aran said:

Eh, we can include Bachelor's (although they're quite useless in my country) if you want. Not sure what you mean with associate's, not familiar with that term.

An Associate's is a 2-year degree. Like half a Bachelor's, so twice as useless.



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Samus Aran said:
What more proof do you need that only people with a Master degree at university should be allowed to vote?


Yes, because people who make comments like this should be the only ones allowed to vote.... 



the_dengle said:
Samus Aran said:

Eh, we can include Bachelor's (although they're quite useless in my country) if you want. Not sure what you mean with associate's, not familiar with that term.

An Associate's is a 2-year degree. Like half a Bachelor's, so twice as useless.


A bachelors degree is very useful!  It helped me be the most educated person working at Best Buy :-/



Mmmfishtacos said:
Samus Aran said:
What more proof do you need that only people with a Master degree at university should be allowed to vote?


Yes, because people who make comments like this should be the only ones allowed to vote.... 

In my country we're forced to vote, but I always leave the options open so my vote doesn't count. ;)

In my country most people without education vote for extremist right wing parties. So yeah, I wouldn't mind some restrictions for being allowed to vote. :)



Samus Aran said:
sc94597 said:
 

So there are no jobs in between Walmart and having a Master's Degree? I know a plethora of people who make significant amounts with just an associate's or a bachelor's, and would not get a masters because they don't have the time nor can they afford to lose money for what would be a marginal to no pay difference.

Eh, we can include Bachelor's (although they're quite useless in my country) if you want. Not sure what you mean with associate's, not familiar with that term.


Associate's is a two year degree people get from junior or community colleges. Many types of nurses have associates degrees and great jobs that pay well (albeit they can go higher and get paid more.) The top 30 or so jobs that require an associates pay a median salary of $50,000. Since people with associate's don't have a lot of loan debt, if any, they tend to have higher standards of living than people with bachelors or even higher. In most of the U.S $50,000 gives you a very comfortable standards of living, especially if your spouse makes just as much.

 

Furthermore, I know many people without degrees who are well educated voters. This includes a close friend of mine who is a painting contractor who makes $30,000/yr. Having started his own business, and been successful for 30 years, I think he deserves and has earned a right to vote on how other people affect his wellbeing and his business. Europeans have historically tried to eliminate social classes as well as economic classes, but from what I hear on the internet you guys are still behind Americans in the social class sphere of things. Plumbers, physicists, businessmen, medics, doctors, cashiers, and lawyers are quite frequently best friends, despite having huge income disparities in the U.S. Nobody is looked down upon for not pursuing formal educations. Trades aren't looked down upon as for the peasantry. And people who don't have degrees aren't viewed as less human and deserving of rights than others. Despite your pride in your welfare schemes and forced equality, it makes sense in your societies of stratified elites that you need such things. One can blame feudalism and its lasting effects, I guess.



Samus Aran said:
What more proof do you need that only people with a Master degree at university should be allowed to vote?


In America, where education is not affordable, the middle and upper classes are far far more likely to attain an advanced degree.  So if we only allowed people with masters to vote, then we'll see certain interests being strongly overrepresented.

Althought, I'll have my masters in a couple of weeks, so it would work out splendidly for me.