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Forums - Sales Discussion - November 2013 NPD Thread! Everything is in the OP!

Lawlight said:

Wanderlei said:

 Whoa calm done, dont go full fanboy.

PlayStation division has lost over $8 billion since PS3 launched in November 2006.

The facts:
>FY 2007: $1,970,000,000 LOSS
>FY 2008: $1,079,000,000 LOSS
>FY 2009: $577,000,000 LOSS
>FY 2010: $889,000,000 LOSS
>FY 2011: $2,800,000,000 LOSS
>FY 2012: $1,100,000,000 LOSS

Total loss: $8,415,000,000

All figures come from Sony’s investor relations page - http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/index.html

 

You're wrong - those aren't just the gaming division numbers.

 

You are wrong, yes it is.

 



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Wanderlei up to a good start, being a few days old on the forums and already calling people fanboys and delusional. This happens way too often, there's no sense in joining a forum just to be rude (and don't debate very well to boot).

Edit; I thought 8.4 billion wasn't the same as 4.7? Maybe I'm just confused.



Mummelmann said:

Wanderlei up to a good start, being a few days old on the forums and already calling people fanboys and delusional. This happens way too often, there's no sense in joining a forum just to be rude (and don't debate very well to boot).

Edit; I thought 8.4 billion wasn't the same as 4.7? Maybe I'm just confused.

Wad doesn't realize that there's more inside the division than just playstation. He saw the first couple numbers and they matched! How is it his fault that he didn't put in an ounce of effort to check his sources?

Hey and look, his profile is blocked. That must mean he's an xbox fan. I'm curious to see what he's banned for.



Poor Vita. It doesn't really deserve this. I mean, SCEA deserve it for their absolutely abysmal handling of the device, but I wish it'd do a little better than this just because it's an awesome machine.

But then again, I do kind of understand it. A Sony handheld is never going to sell as much as a Nintendo handheld. If 3DS + 2DS for $99 + recently released Pokemon + Zelda does 770k, even if SCEA threw every franchise they had at it at once I doubt they'd get even half those numbers. So probably isn't worth the investment.

Tearaway is the biggest tragedy though. A beautiful, creative masterpiece going completely ignored. Oh well.

And to bring even more doom into my post: I'm glad those Wii-U numbers aren't as bad as Patcher was predicting, but they're ~ 16k better than Vita's first NPD, and look where that is now. While I'm sure Wii-U won't reach these lows next year, if not only because of Smash Bros., it's becoming increasingly apparent that the machine is going to be irrelevant without something drastic - and I'm not sure it can even be saved by something miraculous now.



ethomaz said:
toadslayer72 said:
So what the fuck, Sony and the Gaf dude still leaving everyone hanging? I mean I can understand Sony not saying much outside of "Playstation ecosystem" last gen but why not now? I see Ethomaz and people are doing their best to figure it out but we're at 17 pages (@50 posts per page) and still nothing official. Now if you wanna say that that's just how they roll then I can live with that but what's up with your boy on Gaf?

Anyway, it seemed that most rational people expected PS4 to win NPD this month and congrats to them for that. XB1 did great too and as always the next few weeks numbers will be crazy around here. Props to da Chartz for being on point with the XB1 numbahs.

Well Sony just provided these two points...

+ PS4 is the top selling console in November
+ PlayStation consoles are the top family in November (reads PS3 + PS4 > Xbone + 360 or Wii U + Wii)

MS added...

+ 360 is the top selling old-gen console
+ Xbone have the biggest avg. per day sales

Cremsugar added...

+ PS3 12% of all  consoles (Wii + Wii U + Xbone + PS4 + 360 + PS3)
+ PS4 + PS3 > Xbone + 360 but the difference is > 10k

Summing everything you can't have PS4 lower than 1140k or righter than 1190k... I think 1150k is a good bet.


I don't doubt your math, my frustration lies in the need for the math in the first place. I'm wondering why either Sony or Gafsugar just won't say, here ya go people, PS4-1,115,00. Again, I believe you are correct I just don't get why the people that have the numbers in front of them won't staight up say so.



I LOVE paying for Xbox Live! I also love that my love for it pisses off so many people.

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theprof00 said:
Wanderlei said:

Does anyone except rampant sony fanboys seriously think there is even the slightest chance? Vita needed to sell better than the PSP for any hopes of a successor. If Sony had someone competent to run the company they would have knocked it on the head already.



-Sony has 17 billion dollars worth of debt
-Sony's market cap value is only 18.5 billion dollars
-Sony share price is only worth 10% what it was 10 years ago.
-At its peak it was $200 per share, today only $17
-Getting destroyed by Samsung and LG in consumer electronics,
-Apple destroyed them with the iPod and iPhone
-Junk Status rating
-Lost well over $8 billion on the ps3, more than their ps1/2 profits combined
-Losing $2 billion plus on the Vita
-Sacked 50,000 people in last 5 years
-Sold both Japan and US headquarters to avoid an embarrassing 5 years lose streak

But now Sony are gonna pump money in to something that is guaranteed to lose them even more money? 

You talk as if you know almost nothing about stocks.

1. Sony had a split at it's 180$ price in 2000, going to 90 dollars. The jump to 180$ was already way higher than it should have been. From 40$ to 180$ in less than one year, which resulted from insanely inflated stock prices and news of playstation 2's incredible success. The drop was further exacerbated by global financial slowdown. If you don't trade stocks you really shouldn't comment on what you don't know. I see stocks go from 10$ to a hundred in a day and drop back to 40 within a couple weeks. It is normal in the stock market for prices to become outrageous because people called pumpers push lots of money into the stock, then they short the stock, and sell, causing a rippling effect among buyers.

You buy 1,000,000 shares in increments of 10,000 every 20 minutes, this causes lots of people to see price going up, so they buy, hoping to ride the wave. By the end, your million shares got 2,000,000 people to also buy shares. Then you short the stock, which means you borrow against the price, sell your stocks quickly, then suddenly those 2,000,000 people are negative, and more and more are selling sending the price down. Before you know it, the price is through the floor, and you borrowed at the top, which means you not only made 1,000,000 shares worth of increasing stock price, but you also shorted a million off the top. This is normal wall street pumping.

2. Samsung and LG are both Korean. Huh, I wonder if that's a coincidence. (I already looked this up a year ago, so forgive me if I don't spoon-feed you the info). The Korean won has never seen a degredation of currency value against the global recession. What that means, is that Korean companies make an extremely good margin on their products, which, gee, I guess allows them to sell at a much cheaper price. Funny how that works. Throw the major recession into the mix, where people are buying as cheap as possible, and guess what. Korean companies currently are one of the most predominant consumer goods manufacturers. And it's simple to see why, if you'd bother to have checked.

3. Apple destroyed everyone with iShit, and currently losing stock price and market share by the yard.

4.(lost over 8B$ on ps3). Source?
5. Losing 2B$ on vita. Source?
6. Sacked 50,000. Yep, the entire global economy almost had a depression. Obviously a luxury consumer goods manufacturer is gonig to feel it. Suddenly, after things getting back to normal, Sony goes from 10$ to 18$. Man. Do some research brah.

7. Sony will make another handheld, you can bet your ass on that, because it's not as clear as the extremely biased picture you present.

Say fanboy again, and you're reported.

EDIT: Oh, and I'll save you some time on those sources I asked for. They don't exist.

Don't argue with him. I shut him down in another thread and the most he could do was get angry and call me an idiot. Don't waste your time



Wanderlei said:

 

Whoa calm done, dont go full fanboy.

PlayStation division has lost over $8 billion since PS3 launched in November 2006.

The facts:
>FY 2007: $1,970,000,000 LOSS
>FY 2008: $1,079,000,000 LOSS
>FY 2009: $577,000,000 LOSS
>FY 2010: $889,000,000 LOSS
>FY 2011: $2,800,000,000 LOSS
>FY 2012: $1,100,000,000 LOSS

Total loss: $8,415,000,000

All figures come from Sony’s investor relations page - http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/index.html

 

These figures don't seem to match the reports located on the site.



Kresnik said:
Poor Vita. It doesn't really deserve this. I mean, SCEA deserve it for their absolutely abysmal handling of the device, but I wish it'd do a little better than this just because it's an awesome machine.

But then again, I do kind of understand it. A Sony handheld is never going to sell as much as a Nintendo handheld. If 3DS + 2DS for $99 + recently released Pokemon + Zelda does 770k, even if SCEA threw every franchise they had at it at once I doubt they'd get even half those numbers. So probably isn't worth the investment.

Tearaway is the biggest tragedy though. A beautiful, creative masterpiece going completely ignored. Oh well.

And to bring even more doom into my post: I'm glad those Wii-U numbers aren't as bad as Patcher was predicting, but they're ~ 16k better than Vita's first NPD, and look where that is now. While I'm sure Wii-U won't reach these lows next year, if not only because of Smash Bros., it's becoming increasingly apparent that the machine is going to be irrelevant without something drastic - and I'm not sure it can even be saved by something miraculous now.

Guess I'll have to buy Tearaway now. Crap. And I haven't even cracked Dragon's Crown open yet. Still trying to finish platinum on hot shots golf. :D



Mummelmann said:

Wanderlei up to a good start, being a few days old on the forums and already calling people fanboys and delusional. This happens way too often, there's no sense in joining a forum just to be rude (and don't debate very well to boot).

Edit; I thought 8.4 billion wasn't the same as 4.7? Maybe I'm just confused.


He was a waste of bandwidth so I reported him. Twice.



Vita's interesting. I don't see it being discontinued for a while though.