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Goatseye on 13 November 2013
cmeese47 said:
Goatseye said:

NBA 2k14 1080p 60fps on both consoles

True and if you are buying a system for NBA 2k14 then it makes sense to save 100 dollars and go with the PS4. Basic economics.

Not if I'm getting it for 500€ with Fifa 14.

Plus it has Killer Instinct, Quantum Break, Project Spark, Crackdown 3(Phil S., hinted it to be developed soon). Halo.

The possibility of a Conker sequel, Banjo,Perfect Dark and a larger sequel to State of Decay.

Basic Economics: the marginal benefit of Xbox One, way more supersedes its marginal cost.

Plus I love soccer. ESPN been fantastic with La Liga and Portuguese league every sunday on Xbox Live.



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fatslob-:O on 13 November 2013
Daisuke72 said:
yo_john117 said:
Daisuke72 said:
yo_john117 said:
Daisuke72 said:

Console optimization is a lie for the most part. Thing is if you had a 8800GT you could run Bioshock infinite on low, 720P and get 20 - 30 FPS and it will look comparable to its console counterparts, yes optimization does play a role in it all. But it doesn't suddenly turn a 7770 into a 7850. The less cutdown version of the PS3's GPU could run multiplatform games fine with a Core2Duo, 4GB RAM, with it's limited 512MB VRAM.

 

And yes, a 7850 could run Ryse at 900P @ 30FPS. EASILY. An overclocked 7850 could give you it at 60FPS

Well then, consider me educated! I had no idea (probably mostly because I haven't had all that much experience with PC gaming).

 

Runs Crysis @ 1080P @ 38 FPS with 8xAF(Ryse doesn't have this) and this is how it performs before you overclock it, see that Radeon 7770 at the bottom? The Xbone has a very slighly better GPU than it, like very slightly so the benchmarks would be similair. The PS4's GPU is closer to a 7870, as you can see, the 7870 averages almost twice the resolution than the Xbone, and that doesn't account for Xbone's slow DDR3 RAM which would probably cripple the FPS to lower than the Radeon 7770 if you also take in account for the 10% Kinect takes up....

I guess the main reason why I thought that way was because I owned this laptop for a while (but with a lower grade graphics card...a GTX 650M) and bought The Witcher 2 and it could barely play the game on low (anything above that would result in terrible FPS) and playing it on the 360 it looked a good deal better than the PC version on low despite that laptop absolutely blowing the 360 out of the water. My cousin also got that laptop for a while and had the same problems with it so I don't know what was going on with that.


did you render the game at 720P? 

More importantly, did he have the DDR3 edition ?



cmeese47 on 13 November 2013
Goatseye said:
cmeese47 said:
Goatseye said:
 

NBA 2k14 1080p 60fps on both consoles

True and if you are buying a system for NBA 2k14 then it makes sense to save 100 dollars and go with the PS4. Basic economics.

Not if I'm getting it for 500€ with Fifa 14.

Plus it has Killer Instinct, Quantum Break, Project Spark, Crackdown 3(Phil S., hinted it to be developed soon). Halo.

The possibility of a Conker sequel, Banjo,Perfect Dark and a larger sequel to State of Decay.

Basic Economics: the marginal benefit of Xbox One, way more supersedes its marginal cost.

Plus I love soccer. ESPN been fantastic with La Liga and Portuguese league every sunday on Xbox Live.


See so you are clearly looking at more than just a single multi-plat 



yo_john117 on 13 November 2013
Daisuke72 said:
yo_john117 said:
Daisuke72 said:

Runs Crysis @ 1080P @ 38 FPS with 8xAF(Ryse doesn't have this) and this is how it performs before you overclock it, see that Radeon 7770 at the bottom? The Xbone has a very slighly better GPU than it, like very slightly so the benchmarks would be similair. The PS4's GPU is closer to a 7870, as you can see, the 7870 averages almost twice the resolution than the Xbone, and that doesn't account for Xbone's slow DDR3 RAM which would probably cripple the FPS to lower than the Radeon 7770 if you also take in account for the 10% Kinect takes up....

I guess the main reason why I thought that way was because I owned this laptop for a while (but with a lower grade graphics card...a GTX 650M) and bought The Witcher 2 and it could barely play the game on low (anything above that would result in terrible FPS) and playing it on the 360 it looked a good deal better than the PC version on low despite that laptop absolutely blowing the 360 out of the water. My cousin also got that laptop for a while and had the same problems with it so I don't know what was going on with that.


did you render the game at 720P? 

I honestly don't remember. All I remember of that is trying a bunch of different things with it and being quite angry that a laptop with specs that destroyed the 360 (and for that matter, better than the X1 specs for GPU and CPU) couldn't run games with even close to equal graphical fidelity that the 360 had. I'm sure it's a fluke or something though. But now you can see why I thought that way. 

@Fatslob: I'm not sure what you're trying to get at but yes that laptop had DDR3 in it.



Daisuke72 on 13 November 2013
yo_john117 said:
Daisuke72 said:
yo_john117 said:
Daisuke72 said:

Runs Crysis @ 1080P @ 38 FPS with 8xAF(Ryse doesn't have this) and this is how it performs before you overclock it, see that Radeon 7770 at the bottom? The Xbone has a very slighly better GPU than it, like very slightly so the benchmarks would be similair. The PS4's GPU is closer to a 7870, as you can see, the 7870 averages almost twice the resolution than the Xbone, and that doesn't account for Xbone's slow DDR3 RAM which would probably cripple the FPS to lower than the Radeon 7770 if you also take in account for the 10% Kinect takes up....

I guess the main reason why I thought that way was because I owned this laptop for a while (but with a lower grade graphics card...a GTX 650M) and bought The Witcher 2 and it could barely play the game on low (anything above that would result in terrible FPS) and playing it on the 360 it looked a good deal better than the PC version on low despite that laptop absolutely blowing the 360 out of the water. My cousin also got that laptop for a while and had the same problems with it so I don't know what was going on with that.


did you render the game at 720P? 

I honestly don't remember. All I remember of that is trying a bunch of different things with it and being quite angry that a laptop with specs that destroyed the 360 (and for that matter, better than the X1 specs for GPU and CPU) couldn't run games with even close to equal graphical fidelity that the 360 had. I'm sure it's a fluke or something though. But now you can see why I thought that way. 

@Fatslob: I'm not sure what you're trying to get at but yes that laptop had DDR3 in it.

the gtx 650M is a mobile gpu, it's not the normal version, it's nowhere near xbone level gpu

 

You probably were running it at your laptop's native res, which is too taxing for it no matter what settings, but yes I understand why you thought that way.



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yo_john117 on 13 November 2013
Daisuke72 said:
yo_john117 said:
Daisuke72 said:

did you render the game at 720P? 

I honestly don't remember. All I remember of that is trying a bunch of different things with it and being quite angry that a laptop with specs that destroyed the 360 (and for that matter, better than the X1 specs for GPU and CPU) couldn't run games with even close to equal graphical fidelity that the 360 had. I'm sure it's a fluke or something though. But now you can see why I thought that way. 

@Fatslob: I'm not sure what you're trying to get at but yes that laptop had DDR3 in it.

the gtx 650M is a mobile gpu, it's not the normal version, it's nowhere near xbone level gpu

 

You probably were running it at your laptop's native res, which is too taxing for it no matter what settings, but yes I understand why you thought that way.

Whoops you're right. When I was looking at the comparison chart for graphics cards I didn't notice the "M" right next to the Radeon HD graphic cards (which I assume stands for mobile versions of cards).



fatslob-:O on 13 November 2013
yo_john117 said:
Daisuke72 said:
yo_john117 said:
Daisuke72 said:

Runs Crysis @ 1080P @ 38 FPS with 8xAF(Ryse doesn't have this) and this is how it performs before you overclock it, see that Radeon 7770 at the bottom? The Xbone has a very slighly better GPU than it, like very slightly so the benchmarks would be similair. The PS4's GPU is closer to a 7870, as you can see, the 7870 averages almost twice the resolution than the Xbone, and that doesn't account for Xbone's slow DDR3 RAM which would probably cripple the FPS to lower than the Radeon 7770 if you also take in account for the 10% Kinect takes up....

I guess the main reason why I thought that way was because I owned this laptop for a while (but with a lower grade graphics card...a GTX 650M) and bought The Witcher 2 and it could barely play the game on low (anything above that would result in terrible FPS) and playing it on the 360 it looked a good deal better than the PC version on low despite that laptop absolutely blowing the 360 out of the water. My cousin also got that laptop for a while and had the same problems with it so I don't know what was going on with that.


did you render the game at 720P? 

I honestly don't remember. All I remember of that is trying a bunch of different things with it and being quite angry that a laptop with specs that destroyed the 360 (and for that matter, better than the X1 specs for GPU and CPU) couldn't run games with even close to equal graphical fidelity that the 360 had. I'm sure it's a fluke or something though. But now you can see why I thought that way. 

@Fatslob: I'm not sure what you're trying to get at but yes that laptop had DDR3 in it.

DId your GPU have GDDR5 memory ? A lack of bandwidth can be a killer in GPU performance. 

http://ht4u.net/reviews/2012/msi_radeon_hd_7750_2gb_ddr3_test/index39.php&usg=ALkJrhi1G4TxkhzXnvN1ZfRJ3KdXukbpQQ

See the comparison against a 7750 with GDDR5 up against the one with DDR3 ? Maybe your GTX 650M has DDR3 memory seeing as how GDDR5 version of the 7750 gives it an astounding performance boost of 80% in the witcher 2. BTW your GPU comes nowhere near close to the X1 and I repeat nowhere near close to the X1.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5969/zotac-geforce-gt-640-review-/9

GTX 650M = GTX 640

X1 = HD 7770

It ain't even a comparison LOL. 



larrysdirtydrawss on 13 November 2013

I agree. I've been looking at side-by-side comparison videos, they look pretty much the same to me, the Xbox One versions of certain games even look a little better in some cases. Upon further research I realized that, at my typical viewing distance, there is no discernible difference between 720p and 1080p. Plus Microsoft has improved their upscaler on the Xbox One, so upscaled 720p or 900p look quite good, almost as good as native 1080p. I have no graphical qualms about buying the Xbox One, whatsoever.


joke post?..is deadrising 3 using this new upscaling alien super tech? jackfrags even took the time to comment on how bf4 ps4 mp looks better than xones bf4 sp.... there was never a time i couldnt notice the difference between 1080p vs 720p up close and personal on your own screen/monitor... maybe some totally compressed youtube, gametrailer/gamersyde video,but never on my own tv/monitor playing a actual game



Porcupine_I on 13 November 2013

My prediction:

"Future events will make the power difference more of an issue again"



“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.”

- George Orwell, ‘1984’

JoeTheBro on 13 November 2013
fallen said:

I was pretty discouraged a few weeks ago when the news of 720P BF4/COD was rolling in...even considering sitting out this generation etc.

 

But now we've seen for ourselves (in the case of BF4) and heard reviewers say the XO version of Ghosts is fine, maybe even superior due to framerate. additionally there's now comparison videos on YT making the same point. There may be differences, but they are subtle and probably not even noticable unless doing an A/B comparison split screen.

 

It seems like it's turning out that next gen textures and effects is a bigger deal than resolution. 720P as long as it has next textures and effects is fine. XO games will be a big step up from 360 ones even at the same 720P resolution  Sure 1080P is preferable, but it's not a dealbreaker.

 

Or look at it another way, plenty of people are happy with their Wii U, it has some great looking games too, and it's not even in the XO's galaxy powerwise. XO may be deficient to PS4, but it has massively more power than Wii U.

 I'm more comfortable choosing Xbox for the imo superior OS/online and controller, now.

So have you come to terms with the XBONE being weaker and realized graphics aren't that important, or are you sayig graphics are just as important and in the real world 4BONE look practically identical? Almost every other sentence says the opposite lol.

 

I think I agree with what you're meaning though :)



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